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Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 05, 2008 20:23)

and one last thing...to say for the 360 to outsell the ps3 3-1 on "one day" is nothing short of an misleading statement. Black friday is known to be "ONE" the biggest days of shopping in the U.S. It kicks off the biggest shopping time of the year for the entire country!


Also for the point that Epic could make far much more money selling gears on ps3, the same could be said for any major exclusive sony or ms has so that as well seems pretty obvious and is just talk.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Dec 05, 2008 20:58)

@ Oner

I was wondering about some of those exclusives you named earlier. You have to take into consideration that just b/c it is an exclusive doesnot make it worth playing. A exclusive that is not up to par shouldnot be considered in a list of titles when we are comparing consoles. I admit I kinda had the idea that socum would bring a huge number of sales and gamers to the PS3 as its predecessor on PS2 had one of the largest online fanbase at one time but i was wrong. Cant say i have played it myself but from what others have told me it fell far from its hype and its past quality and popularity also landing subpar reviews from various sites and magazines. My question? Are you saying that all those exclusive are must play games? B/c if they are not good quality games i dont think they should be considered when listing the exclusives for either console. Quality of the games has to fall in somewhere. What's your opinion of the game?

Honestly i think most people are going to play the new Call of Duty and b/c of it most people think of socum as a game to leave on the store shelves. That not my opinion, that what i have heard from a lot of my friends who own all 3 consoles and from a lot of people posting online.

Comment by: Oner (Dec 05, 2008 21:54)

Originally posted by Globe08:

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in general the ps3 has failed to meet expectations big time.....why is the ps3 in dead last to 2 inferior consoles? Let me guess price,hope thats not the response.

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That sounds like your own opinion. For a system to be within 4+ Million range of a console that has a 1 year, 10 Million+ start I can't see how your point holds water. Oh and I will say it is a FACT it has just about been 2x more expensive (price) then it's "closest" competitor. Spin it anyway you want that is the REAL truth.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Still no home, graphics on par with 360 which the ps3 touts its supreme power. Im not defending the 360 or MS in any way other to say than with all the sony fans and gaming fans who prefer the ps3 touting its overwhelming power,equal selection of games, the addition of blu-ray player,free online,rrod plaguing the 360

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Home is to be released by the end of this month, even if not it is something that is a MUCH bigger task then an easy simple GUI interface and little caricatures. It is not for everyone and that's fine...at least it's not forced like the NXE.

As for the 360 being "on par" with the PS3 graphics you have to in all honesty admit and understand that the PS3's architecture is likened to how the PS2's architecture was in the start and a bit of a struggle for people in the beginning with how it takes some time to come to grips with. There is a very clear and discernible difference that is making itself shown in games like Uncharted, GT5P, MGS4 & certainly Killzone 2 just to name a couple and these titles all have the gameplay to match.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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After you managed to tally off all those companies sony has under its belt then why is it the 360 is the clear favorite for pure gamers???

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Again that is your opinion.

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Comment by: Oner (Dec 05, 2008 21:59)

Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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@ Oner

I was wondering about some of those exclusives you named earlier. You have to take into consideration that just b/c it is an exclusive doesnot make it worth playing. A exclusive that is not up to par shouldnot be considered in a list of titles when we are comparing consoles. I admit I kinda had the idea that socum would bring a huge number of sales and gamers to the PS3 as its predecessor on PS2 had one of the largest online fanbase at one time but i was wrong. Cant say i have played it myself but from what others have told me it fell far from its hype and its past quality and popularity also landing subpar reviews from various sites and magazines. My question? Are you saying that all those exclusive are must play games? B/c if they are not good quality games i dont think they should be considered when listing the exclusives for either console. Quality of the games has to fall in somewhere. What's your opinion of the game?

Honestly i think most people are going to play the new Call of Duty and b/c of it most people think of socum as a game to leave on the store shelves. That not my opinion, that what i have heard from a lot of my friends who own all 3 consoles and from a lot of people posting online.

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I was in the beta and there weren't that many issues for SocOm. There where issues when it went live and they where addressed from my understanding, so much so a few review sites even re-adjusted their scores for it. Personally I didn't like the game but I never liked the Socom series to begin with. It just never interested me.

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Comment by: shine305 (Dec 05, 2008 23:00)

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Its not about my cost or your cost is what im saying. You missed my point. Im saying you argue free internet play is for you which hints at the price side of things. yet on the other hand you bought the most expensive console out of 3. Onto reliability i think that is something people clearly are willing to overlook as we've seen with rrod with the 360 and the ps2 last gen. Look it up and you'll see that the ps2 had herendous issues with disc read errors to the tune of losing a class action lawsuit. I myself went through 4 ps2's and they had half the customer service that MS has displayed. We can agree to disagree but you should bolster your views with more data as the guy above said.Care to list those games the ps3 has rolling out? Its been shown that most of the multi-platform games that come out for both console succeed for the 360 i.e madden,gta,fallout 3...i could go on but you see where im heading with it. bioshock which was an insane game came out a full year on the 360 than did it on the ps3.When it comes to games its clear the 360 is where to be and when it comes to the "entertainment" issue its not so clear. ps3 has blu-ray, 360 has a huge selection of hd movies and now netflix...

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i also went trough 3 ps2 b4 i went on to o xbox and now too xbox 360 i am on my 2nd one but i did not have to pay for my 2nd unlike whit the ps2 got my first 360 6months afther they hit the stores it did not go down until feb 08 i could have boght a ps3 buy now but what 4? ps has to give ppl a reson to buy they have not done it yet ok u say blue ray seem that ppl crying about paying 50 a year 4 live are going to pay 40 bucks for a movie its not just a money thing bcuz we all know if we want something we find a way to pay for it.i have had a chanece to buy a ps3 for less than 200 dollers and did not take it its sony job to sell ther consol right now their choking.and the only ppl that are buying are thir fans .while xbox r getting new ppl to buy

Comment by: shine305 (Dec 05, 2008 23:03)

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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Its not about my cost or your cost is what im saying. You missed my point. Im saying you argue free internet play is for you which hints at the price side of things. yet on the other hand you bought the most expensive console out of 3. Onto reliability i think that is something people clearly are willing to overlook as we've seen with rrod with the 360 and the ps2 last gen. Look it up and you'll see that the ps2 had herendous issues with disc read errors to the tune of losing a class action lawsuit. I myself went through 4 ps2's and they had half the customer service that MS has displayed. We can agree to disagree but you should bolster your views with more data as the guy above said.Care to list those games the ps3 has rolling out? Its been shown that most of the multi-platform games that come out for both console succeed for the 360 i.e madden,gta,fallout 3...i could go on but you see where im heading with it. bioshock which was an insane game came out a full year on the 360 than did it on the ps3.When it comes to games its clear the 360 is where to be and when it comes to the "entertainment" issue its not so clear. ps3 has blu-ray, 360 has a huge selection of hd movies and now netflix...

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i also went trough 3 ps2 b4 i went on to o xbox and now too xbox 360 i am on my 2nd one but i did not have to pay for my 2nd unlike whit the ps2 got my first 360 6months after they hit the stores it did not go down until feb 08 i could have bought a ps3 buy now but what 4? sony has to give ppl a reason to buy they have not done it yet ok u say blue ray seem that ppl crying about paying 50 a year 4 live are going to pay 40 bucks for a movie its not just a money thing bcuz we all know if we want something we find a way to pay for it.i have had a chanece to buy a ps3 for less than 200 dollers and did not take it. its sony job to sell ther consol right now their choking.and the only ppl that are buying are thir fans .while ms r getting new ppl to buy

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aslo we all know that the og xbox was better than the ps2 and we all know how that turnd out

Comment by: L-Burna (Dec 05, 2008 23:25)

They are about even from my point of view,because its true Sony is struggling to put out games that should have been released on launch(Killzone 2).Its about ten times easier for the devs to make a game for the XBox 360,so Microsoft does have a pretty big game library.To be honest I would think Sony should be doing better judging from the PS2 game library,but the tables have turned.Sony made a powerfull machine,and its definately got the power to blow Microsoft away with its graphics.You all have to remember that the PS3 hasn't even come close to pushing its true limits yet.I have them both and I have no problems with either one.The bad thing is I think I'm starting to become impatient with the titles released for the PS3.I think Metal Gear is alright,but I would rather play Killzone or even a Kill.Switch game if they release one instead just for the fact I don't like stealth games.The story to MGS games has always been good though,so its not a bad game at all.I think if they made a sequel to the game Black that would have been better as well,but oh well I'm gonna have to make due until 2009.

Hey Oner you named two games I would actually play,but the rest I probably wouldn't even bother with.The Resistance and MGS games are the only two that interest me.Hopefully in 2009 they bring out a better game selection,and it shows everyone what the system can actually do.I think there is only a small majority that actually can see the true power the PS3 really has.If you compare the systems now it doesn't mean much,as the PS3 hasn't even hit its peak yet.The XBox 360 has already hit its peak when it comes to graphics.If you read up on Metal Gear Solid 4 the reason it was never released for the XBox 360 is because it couldn't reach the same power the PS3 could output.I know most people thought it was because of a size issue,but this wasn't the real reason.

If I had to choose a system between the two I probably couldn't come up with an answer.I was very fortunate I could afford them both,and I'm a happy gamer.If your having a hard time trying to decide on either one of these systems,just save up and get them both.They are pretty good as they both have advantages and disadvantages.

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Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 05, 2008 23:26)

Unfortunatly we do know where that ended up and its with the og xbox getting punished by the ps2. Sony makes a KILLING on their name. Their product isnt always the best on the market but its good enought to get them by with their name tossed into the product. The thing about it that gets me is that sony had the winning formula the 1st go round with the ps2 and they won the console war. Then the second go round...this gen, they went and went with what lost it for the og xbox which is raw power and pizzaazz. The xbox lost with raw power and pizzazz and has taken heed that games are what win console wars and its done big things for them this go round. Thing about it is i think even if the rrod hadnt happened they would still be trailing the wii. Were in the fufu starbucks era and that crap sells and the wii is crap. Subpar graphics,online is a joke,game selection is weak. People say that the wii is accesible but its accessible more to all than to one. Meaning their single player games are rare. You have mario,zelda,metroid prime and thats it. All their games are party games. I mean wii fit a top selling "game" ...give me a break.Mario kart is horrible with the wiimote as is most of their games. its fun,its new, then its shelved. Tried and true i know 10 plus people who have or have owned the wii and played it for about a month then shelved it. Mom and pops are the ones who keep that thing afloat, along with these pokemon,magic card,starbucks group. I mean gone are the days of scooby doo,tmnt,batman of old and enter pokemon,naruto, and these tarded futuristic batman and company. We;ve all seen the type of people buying the wii and they are not the pure gamers. Their are pure gamers who purchase the wii but they are few and far between. still the wii has this race/war won already.MS's biggest issue is their pr team blows and the internet era in high gears kicked their ass with the rrod. when it was the ps2 you never heard as much of a peep on the internet then. Now you type in anything and you'll get a million hits and this crap is everywhere.type in midget riding a bike upside down and im sure you'll get a hit. And wehn the rrod hit it was everywhere and it spread like wildfire.END RANT

Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 05, 2008 23:32)

Originally posted by L-Burna:

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They are about even from my point of view,because its true Sony is struggling to put out games that should have been released on launch(Killzone 2).Its about ten times easier for the devs to make a game for the XBox 360,so Microsoft does have a pretty big game library.To be honest I would think Sony should be doing better judging from the PS2 game library,but the tables have turned.Sony made a powerfull machine,and its definately got the power to blow Microsoft away with its graphics.You all have to remember that the PS3 hasn't even come close to pushing its true limits yet.I have them both and I have no problems with either one.The bad thing is I think I'm starting to become impatient with the titles released for the PS3.I think Metal Gear is alright,but I would rather play Killzone or even a Kill.Switch game if they release one instead just for the fact I don't like stealth games.The story to MGS games has always been good though,so its not a bad game at all.I think if they made a sequel to the game Black that would have been better as well,but oh well I'm gonna have to make due until 2009.

Hey Oner you named two games I would actually play,but the rest I probably wouldn't even bother with.The Resistance and MGS games are the only two that interest me.Hopefully in 2009 they bring out a better game selection,and it shows everyone what the system can actually do.I think there is only a small majority that actually can see the true power the PS3 really has.If you compare the systems now it doesn't mean much,as the PS3 hasn't even hit its peak yet.The XBox 360 has already hit its peak when it comes to graphics.If you read up on Metal Gear Solid 4 the reason it was never released for the XBox 360 is because it couldn't reach the same power the PS3 could output.I know most people thought it was because of a size issue,but this wasn't the real reason.

If I had to choose a system between the two I probably couldn't come up with an answer.I was very fortunate I could afford them both,and I'm a happy gamer.If your having a hard time trying to decide on either one of these systems,just save up and get them both.They are pretty good as they both have advantages and disadvantages.

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Not arguing your point but merely stating that no game console really ever hits its full potential. The game dev's have to put too much money into it and the risk is generally doesnt pan out. The ps2 and xbox both were said to never hit their peak in potential and they were out for 5 plus years. We know the dreamcast came before its time and didnt meet its potential. All im saying is the ps3 is2 years and galloping to 3 i wouldnt hold out on a word like potential.Right now im sitting hear with some booz,some contraband, and tons of money it has the potential to be a hell of a night but i also could wind up in the booty house...on second thought i fear the booty house more than the potentially great time i could have so i'll stay in and GAME.


One more thing as far as the 360 not being powerful enough to handle MGS i've never quite gotten this arguments. Seeing as how Gta,fallout 3 which both are massive games both look and play better on the 360. the list of games that are better looking on the 360 is infinite.I would go as far to say the 360 in general puts out games with better graphics. Maddenmgta,devil may cry,fallout 3,oblivion and i could go on but i think it would be redundant.The ps3 is too "strong" for its own good. While all their fans wait for their potential to kick it they could be gaming but heres how a fan of the sony gaming consoles think. They either will buy the ps3 and care not at the inferiorties it carries in view of the 360 or they will buy both and acknowledge their both fun. It incredibly unneccesary to spend 700 bucks on gaming consoles alone, aside from high def sets,blu-ray movies,live, games,periphials and the time needed to enjoy both..wheeewwwww

Comment by: Oner (Dec 05, 2008 23:42)

Hey what's up Burna. I agree in that I too would also only play a few of the titles I have listed there as I am quite a picky gamer but there is variety there which is best for everyone in the end.

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Comment by: L-Burna (Dec 05, 2008 23:48)

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Unfortunatly we do know where that ended up and its with the og xbox getting punished by the ps2. Sony makes a KILLING on their name. Their product isnt always the best on the market but its good enought to get them by with their name tossed into the product. The thing about it that gets me is that sony had the winning formula the 1st go round with the ps2 and they won the console war. Then the second go round...this gen, they went and went with what lost it for the og xbox which is raw power and pizzaazz. The xbox lost with raw power and pizzazz and has taken heed that games are what win console wars and its done big things for them this go round. Thing about it is i think even if the rrod hadnt happened they would still be trailing the wii. Were in the fufu starbucks era and that crap sells and the wii is crap. Subpar graphics,online is a joke,game selection is weak. People say that the wii is accesible but its accessible more to all than to one. Meaning their single player games are rare. You have mario,zelda,metroid prime and thats it. All their games are party games. I mean wii fit a top selling "game" ...give me a break.Mario kart is horrible with the wiimote as is most of their games. its fun,its new, then its shelved. Tried and true i know 10 plus people who have or have owned the wii and played it for about a month then shelved it. Mom and pops are the ones who keep that thing afloat, along with these pokemon,magic card,starbucks group. I mean gone are the days of scooby doo,tmnt,batman of old and enter pokemon,naruto, and these tarded futuristic batman and company. We;ve all seen the type of people buying the wii and they are not the pure gamers. Their are pure gamers who purchase the wii but they are few and far between. still the wii has this race/war won already.MS's biggest issue is their pr team blows and the internet era in high gears kicked their ass with the rrod. when it was the ps2 you never heard as much of a peep on the internet then. Now you type in anything and you'll get a million hits and this crap is everywhere.type in midget riding a bike upside down and im sure you'll get a hit. And wehn the rrod hit it was everywhere and it spread like wildfire.END RANT

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The Wii is only winning at the moment,but its technology will be outdated extremely quick and can't compete with the XBox 360 and PS3.You have to invision the future to actually figure out what is going to drive these systems.The PS3 has a Blu-Ray player built in so it really is setup for the future.The XBox 360 can use add-ons,but with Nintendo they are relying on an improved controller and old technology.Nintendo will be the first to build a new console I can see it already.I think saying the Wii being a shelved unit is kind of an understatement,because you have to think about the old timers and younger audience.Nintendo never really put much effort into bringing true gamers to the console.They mainly focus the console around older people and youngins.The strategy they used is pretty slick you gotta give them credit for making a system that suites them.

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Comment by: shine305 (Dec 05, 2008 23:48)

what kind of tv are you playing these games on do u have a ps3 and xbox i only have a xbox 360 my friend has a ps3 we have the same tv i have played some games on ps3 they look magnificent the xbox is not that fare behind but it is behind that bing said the of kind tv u play them on matter.

Comment by: Oner (Dec 05, 2008 23:50)

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Thing about it is i think even if the rrod hadnt happened they would still be trailing the wii. Were in the fufu starbucks era and that crap sells and the wii is crap. Subpar graphics,online is a joke,game selection is weak. People say that the wii is accesible but its accessible more to all than to one. Meaning their single player games are rare. You have mario,zelda,metroid prime and thats it. All their games are party games. I mean wii fit a top selling "game" ...give me a break.Mario kart is horrible with the wiimote as is most of their games. its fun,its new, then its shelved. Tried and true i know 10 plus people who have or have owned the wii and played it for about a month then shelved it. Mom and pops are the ones who keep that thing afloat, along with these pokemon,magic card,starbucks group. I mean gone are the days of scooby doo,tmnt,batman of old and enter pokemon,naruto, and these tarded futuristic batman and company. We;ve all seen the type of people buying the wii and they are not the pure gamers. Their are pure gamers who purchase the wii but they are few and far between. still the wii has this race/war won already.

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Pretty spot on assessment and I basically agree. I have had my Wii since launch and I have only played Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Wario Shake It plus Wii Sports (for a few weeks in the beginning). Outside of that I couldn't get into the new Zelda (I'm gonna have to force myself to get through it) and didn't even bother with SSB (not my sort of title) and Mario Kart (just haven't felt the necessity)...it really isn't "all that's cracked up to be". If I wasn't such a collector I really would have passed on it like I did with a GC!

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Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 05, 2008 23:52)

I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

Comment by: Oner (Dec 05, 2008 23:55)

Originally posted by shine305:

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what kind of tv are you playing these games on do u have a ps3 and xbox i only have a xbox 360 my friend has a ps3 we have the same tv i have played some games on ps3 they look magnificent the xbox is not that fare behind but it is behind that bing said the kind tv u play them on matter

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I'm playing all my systems on a 1080p 120hz 60" Sony A3000 and from my experience I have to agree with what you said. The PS3 is stunning over HDMI, the 360 is close but not exactly on component cables but my TV is 1080p compliant over component and the Wii looks "eh" (actually "bleh" to be more precise, lol).

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Comment by: shine305 (Dec 05, 2008 23:57)

Originally posted by Globe08:

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I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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wow i gonna get this tv haven't played thous titles on the ps3 only my 360

Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 06, 2008 00:42)

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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wow i gonna get this tv haven't played thous titles on the ps3 only my 360

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seems like you were mocking me could be wrong. heres the tv model. I was typing fast my kids were clawing me.

Samsung 46" Series 6 LCD HDTV (LN46A650)

Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 06, 2008 00:46)

Oner,

Why no hdmi cable for the 360? Do you have one of the older models that doesnt come with hdmi?

Comment by: Oner (Dec 06, 2008 03:02)

Launch day Pro no HDMI. Damned thing RROD'ed on me for the 3rd time about 2 weeks ago too...if it happens again and I can't fix it, I am done with it. PC for me for the so called "exclusives" if so.

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Comment by: shine305 (Dec 06, 2008 04:01)

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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wow i gonna get this tv haven't played thous titles on the ps3 only my 360

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seems like you were mocking me could be wrong. heres the tv model. I was typing fast my kids were clawing me.

Samsung 46" Series 6 LCD HDTV (LN46A650)

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no i wasn't relly i am in the market for a new set and if u say it makes the xbox look better then thats what i am looking for.

Comment by: rvinkebob (Dec 06, 2008 18:16)

Originally posted by Oner:

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Launch day Pro no HDMI. Damned thing RROD'ed on me for the 3rd time about 2 weeks ago too...if it happens again and I can't fix it, I am done with it. PC for me for the so called "exclusives" if so.

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Actually, that's exactly what I did. I didn't even bother with the 360 knowing that exclusives were all coming to PC, or at least most of them anyway. And now it's rumored that Fable 2 will be heading to the PC in '09, but that's just a rumor.

Comment by: Jemborg (Dec 09, 2008 06:50)

Globe08 I have to say I don't think I read one comment you wrote I could disagree with. But you are wasting your breath with some of the people here. The more "powerful machine argument" is wearing thin- software won't beat better hardware graphics. More expensive development time isn't a win for the independent or even corporate gaming houses and doesn't translate into more creativity. Both machines still have plenty of "potential" built in. Extras like recharge packs and wireless LAN don't have to be bought. The ability to hack on a cheap 120gig drive. The unnecessary of BluRay for gaming. The list goes on...

Oner, those animations weren't that special.

Comment by: Oner (Dec 09, 2008 13:51)

To each his own. I guess all the rave reviews and buzz everywhere on the net is inconsequential too then....

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Comment by: Jemborg (Dec 10, 2008 02:36)

Originally posted by Oner:

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To each his own. I guess all the rave reviews and buzz everywhere on the net is inconsequential too then....

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No, I've been fairly impressed myself with a few of the up and coming exclusive releases on the PS3.

Sony had a pretty good track record of producing games, something M$ didn't appreciate for the Xbox one.

Also, I use my Xbox on HDMI on a 50"- face it we will have to wait for the next gen consoles for high-level anti-aliasing native 1080p easy-gaming anyway. Yes, I know I can go and blow a lot of money on a PC triple crossfire, triple channel DDR3 etc etc. nightmare of patches...

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i r banned for spammage