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Comment by: Xplorer4 (May 10, 2008 06:28)

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

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By that theory we should wait till a pc company release the final build of a model when the technology is obsolete.

Originally posted by EricCarr:

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"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

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Or maybe its because usually you only hear the negative, and dont hear of all the positive results out there.

Comment by: canuckerz (May 10, 2008 21:35)

New chips arent going to solve the rrod problem, it's the cooling/vent system that needs to be redone. Heat RISES and the only real vents on the console are located on the bottom of the back of the console. The side vents are far too small with too little fan pressure to flow anything.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 11, 2008 14:02)

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... and a console that could have been so great spoiled by bad manufacturing and poor customer service..

Just shows when you have billions to waste what a monumental cockup you can make.

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meh the customer service is good,tey could have so eailsy went with the "there is nothing wrong,nothing to see here move along move along"

the rest of is true didn't take the time to build it didn't fix it refuse to fix it,ect,ect,etc

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 11, 2008 14:10)

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

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By that theory we should wait till a pc company release the final build of a model when the technology is obsolete.

Originally posted by EricCarr:

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"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

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Or maybe its because usually you only hear the negative, and dont hear of all the positive results out there.

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MS has said more than once its up to 30%,between consumer reports and what not ya its 30%

face it man the 360 has major build issues that effect 2-3 in 10 units.

Comment by: varnull (May 11, 2008 14:15)

I think you will find depending on where you live that the cpu's will be 2 different kinds. I only scan these "announcement" articles anyway.. they aren't usually worth the effort of proper consideration... especially from M$ .. don't hold your breath.. it's an internal component revision that will make no practical difference to the machine. Will you even know you have one fitted???

I'm more interested in why some have an eeprom near what look like LPT points than what gpu/cpu it has. As there is no way to run unsigned code on the damn box it's completely pointless even discussing the chipset it has.. it makes no difference as any replacement will have to be functionally identical otherwise older games will suffer or lock up, and new games will not run on old consoles..

In Europe the 65nm cpu was not mainstream release because of failing the stricter European radiation tests through inadequate screening..

Some are around.. the ultimate has one (and also a different screening arrangement.. the heatsink is grounded)

Whatever.. it isn't going to have any noticeable effect on anything the consumer will see or feel.. It's a badly designed console.. the more recent production seems to be within acceptable failure rates for modern technology <3%..
Modern consumer electronics seems to have a designed in life of about 3 years.. Then it dies.

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... #1 image again.. check it out ;)

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 11, 2008 14:24)

varnull ne sama*cling cling*

I just hope its more stable I been wanting to get one but good lord I do not feel comfy spending 200+ on a easy bake oven that I have had go wonky on me before...

hell they should port all 360 games to the PC and enforce no live subscription no play shcemes..I would much rather do that than buy an easy break oven....

*bangs head to wall*
lost oddessy will not temp meeeeeee!!!

Comment by: xSModder (May 12, 2008 04:50)

haha @ Zippy
dude my thoughts exactly..

and lol @ eazy break oven..

Comment by: viny1313 (May 12, 2008 12:01)

You know I made up the easy-bake oven thing ;)

Comment by: kojiro00 (May 12, 2008 21:35)

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

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By that theory we should wait till a pc company release the final build of a model when the technology is obsolete.

Originally posted by EricCarr:

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"Microsoft claims it will help to eliminate the "red ring of death" failures that plague over 15 percent of all current consoles."


This is bu11shi7. It's much higher than 15%. Read the forums around the net.

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Or maybe its because usually you only hear the negative, and dont hear of all the positive results out there.

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PC's are quite different from consoles. one: they dont break nearly as often as 360's, two: you can buy parts for PC's when something goes wrong, and consols u must buy a whole new system. unless you got money to throw around, you dont buy a PC upgrade the moment it comes out, especially if your PC is already top notch.

Comment by: kojiro00 (May 12, 2008 21:38)

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

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So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.

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Im sorry youre one of the knuckleheads who keeps buying new ones. I bought one ps2, the launch system. it still works perfectly. same with ps3. still works perfectly. I have found no reason to purchase the ps2 slim or the 40gb ps3 model, nor is there a reason to buy 360 after 360.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 12, 2008 22:27)

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

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So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.

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Im sorry youre one of the knuckleheads who keeps buying new ones. I bought one ps2, the launch system. it still works perfectly. same with ps3. still works perfectly. I have found no reason to purchase the ps2 slim or the 40gb ps3 model, nor is there a reason to buy 360 after 360.

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Not really the PS2 has a 5-10% fail rate with lens, even 2 of the slim line revisions had issues with it, its not huge but it was a problem that pushed it over the normal 3-5%.

The 360 is just wonky.
I'd rather pay 10 a moth to play on my computer than buy another 360 without any huge fixes/improvements to t.

Comment by: Hardwyre (May 13, 2008 19:33)

You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 13, 2008 19:55)

Originally posted by Hardwyre:

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You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

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Comment by: Oner (May 14, 2008 13:06)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by Hardwyre:

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You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

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..........um.....er.....no............

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I second that! "..........um.....er.....no............"

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Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 14, 2008 13:41)

Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by Hardwyre:

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You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

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..........um.....er.....no............

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I second that! "..........um.....er.....no............"

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I couldn't find the sarcasm in the post, while sensors only really tell you what they "think" they know I have not seen many sensors designs that lock the thing they are monitoring, the 360 is just BADLY design from stem to stern, one could say tis like a quadruple amputee hooker its functional where it counts...kinda....but your kinda not getting what you pay for....

Comment by: glassd (May 14, 2008 15:40)

I never got the RROD. Mine scratches disk. I fixed mine by putting it back in its box two years ago and not playing it anymore. PS3 works fine. Has the disk spindle support been fixed yet?

Comment by: bhetrick (May 14, 2008 15:41)

Originally posted by kojiro00:

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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.

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So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.

It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.

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Im sorry youre one of the knuckleheads who keeps buying new ones. I bought one ps2, the launch system. it still works perfectly. same with ps3. still works perfectly. I have found no reason to purchase the ps2 slim or the 40gb ps3 model, nor is there a reason to buy 360 after 360.

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Ummm... ya... where did I say I keep buying new ones. You should try rereading that. Let me try to break it down in to small words which you may understand better.

You said "only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360."

Now, using the PS2 only as an example, because there have been over a dozen revisions over it's life span, using your logic anyone who has bought any of the older versions would be a complete knucklehead. Which I guess also includes you as you state you have an older, fat version.

So because you bought a PS2 before it's last build, that makes you a knucklehead... using your own logic... not mine.

See where I'm going with this? Obviously you don't consider yourself a knucklehead because of which version of a console you own, so how can you apply your comment to another console?

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You do know the RROD is easy to fix. It's a thermal sensor in the optical drive that gets "Stuck" and the hardware shuts down. (Thank Toshiba for those awesome optical drives, that cause it btw.)

Now most people that fix these use a method not endorsed by Microsoft, but they wrap the RROD-ing system in a towel or seran wrap, and turn it on (till it overheats and shuts down). Then they unplug the system, let it sit for a day to cool, and on next boot the RROD is gone. So far i've gotten it to work on 4 out of 5 RROD's.

(also, I got the elusive 3-4 red ring on my Elite... and I actually fixed it by giving it a good thump lol. it indicates a RMA (Readable Memory Access) error, or a loose-fitting processor. apparently the CPU went back in its socket after I hit it. ah, good 'ol american inginuity, eh?)

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I have to agree with the others here. There is no easy fix for the rrod. In fact, there is no "fix" the end user can do. There's only a "bandaid", and it's temporary. The rrod will return.

The only fix is to send it in to MS for repair. I have read, but can't find the article, that MS was to have a mobo designed just for repairs. It had it's own name. If they do that, good. If they don't, you just have to hope the repaired mobo doesn't crap out again.

Now, I haven't read anything about the newly designed 360s having any massive failures do to overheating. So it looks like they finally quit dragging their asses and have started addressing that issue.

Originally posted by glassd:

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I never got the RROD. Mine scratches disk. I fixed mine by putting it back in its box two years ago and not playing it anymore. PS3 works fine. Has the disk spindle support been fixed yet?

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Yes it has, but because you didn't bother addressing the issue two years ago, you'll now have to pay MS to fix it as your warranty has expired.

Or fix it yourself. Google is helpful. Either way, it'll cost you.

Comment by: bhetrick (May 14, 2008 15:46)

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Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 14, 2008 19:34)

The 360 is not a PC and thus not cheap to fix and why would I want to put money into a lemon to start with?

the PS2 has 17 and counting revisions with only 3 major changes, the mini USB ports in front on the big model were removed 5th-7th revision and the slim model, the 360 has had like 8-10 I am guessing and that includes the elite.

Revisions are not the issue here the blatant arrogance not fixing the Gdamn thing is, it dose not take this long to fix a problem even sony managed to ham handle the DRE's better............

Comment by: bhetrick (May 14, 2008 20:18)

Goood god can't anyone read. THE PS2 WAS ONLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR KOJIRO00'S COMMENT.

It was used because it, too, is a gaming console and it has been through many revisions.

FFS... if people can't understand what is being written and are going to continue to get upset that a Sony product was mentioned in a MS thread, then replace "PS2" with "plasma hdtv" in all the past comments.

Newer and better models of plasma are always being released, does that mean, as kojiro00 says, "only complete knuckle heads would buy any new xxx builds they make until xx announces that theyve made a final build of the xxx".

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 14, 2008 20:29)

Originally posted by bhetrick:

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Goood god can't anyone read. THE PS2 WAS ONLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR KOJIRO00'S COMMENT.

It was used because it, too, is a gaming console and it has been through many revisions.

FFS... if people can't understand what is being written and are going to continue to get upset that a Sony product was mentioned in a MS thread, then replace "PS2" with "plasma hdtv" in all the past comments.

Newer and better models of plasma are always being released, does that mean, as kojiro00 says, "only complete knuckle heads would buy any new xxx builds they make until xx announces that theyve made a final build of the xxx".

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When a zippy is not using his reading comperhention or not paying attention to the thread and posts odd stuff, whack it in the nose with a news papper and tell it to stop reading wif its teeth.

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My point is the 360 has gone through almost 10 revisions and its not fixed there is no excuse for that, the PS2 only had issues with a DREs though out a few revisions not concurrent in all freaking revisions.....

Comment by: bhetrick (May 14, 2008 21:17)

Ahhhh... it's all good. ;)

I just want it known that I'm not trying to "call out" the PS2. It just made a good example because of it's long life and everyone knows it. I should have used something else for an example from the get-go.

The 360 has had a few differents skus, but not many revisions. They drug their arse for over a year before they made any attempt to address the overheating issue.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 14, 2008 21:41)

Originally posted by bhetrick:

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Ahhhh... it's all good. ;)

I just want it known that I'm not trying to "call out" the PS2. It just made a good example because of it's long life and everyone knows it. I should have used something else for an example from the get-go.

The 360 has had a few differents skus, but not many revisions. They drug their arse for over a year before they made any attempt to address the overheating issue.

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http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Xbox_360_Revisions#Xenon
Interesting theres about 5 so far, one could also count the changed heatsink as another revision it came in the late xenon I believe but still only 5 or 6 but the RODD is still rampant.

Comment by: bhetrick (May 15, 2008 02:20)

Xenon, Zephyr, and Falcon. That's 3.

I knew I had read awhile back about a mobo being designed for repair consoles only, but I couldn't find the article. It is the Opus. They said there wasn't a set release date for it yet, though. I wonder if it's being used yet. If so, then I'm sure the news would have spread quickly.

As far as the rrod still being rampant, that's because they're still dealing with a lot of the launch versions. And it doesn't help with them repairing and reusing the old mobos.

I haven't read anything about the new versions suffering like the launch consoles. And I follow a handful of sites daily.

Thanks for that link, by the way.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 15, 2008 02:27)

Originally posted by bhetrick:

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Xenon, Zephyr, and Falcon. That's 3.

I knew I had read awhile back about a mobo being designed for repair consoles only, but I couldn't find the article. It is the Opus. They said there wasn't a set release date for it yet, though. I wonder if it's being used yet. If so, then I'm sure the news would have spread quickly.

As far as the rrod still being rampant, that's because they're still dealing with a lot of the launch versions. And it doesn't help with them repairing and reusing the old mobos.

I haven't read anything about the new versions suffering like the launch consoles. And I follow a handful of sites daily.

Thanks for that link, by the way.

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I am looking at a price V cost thing, I tell everyone this if you can handle a 3 in 1 fall rate with above average warranty go for it if not wait till its under 180.