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Comment by: theschaft (Feb 08, 2008 14:44)

How is this year the year for PS3. People say a lot about certain games but most of it is hype. I guess we will see. Do you remember Kill Zone, the Halo killer? So much for that. What do you mean larger fan base? People who wanted it and could afford it got one. It would be a good thing for PS3 to drop in price. Maybe then more people will be able to purchase one. That could save blu-ray, but from what I know, HD DVD is where things are going.

Cripple is the right word for what I was trying to say. Of course it wouldn't put Sony out of business. People still purchase PS3s. They have many products other than gaming consoles so support their companies income.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 08, 2008 14:48)

360 has no chance in beating ether nin or sony in Jp they simply do not have the game types for it and are unwilling to go out of their way get the devs to do it.

Comment by: theschaft (Feb 08, 2008 14:52)

You are just a hater of XBox. What do you mean the game types? They don't need to go out of their way. Microsoft is already on top. Attempting to stay there is not a bad idea.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 08, 2008 15:04)

Originally posted by theschaft:

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You are just a hater of XBox. What do you mean the game types? They don't need to go out of their way. Microsoft is already on top. Attempting to stay there is not a bad idea.

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Its just fact....how long has the 360 been out how long have they been keeping the price lower than the US and how poorly has it sold, the system is not gear twored JP gamers much like how poorly the Xbox did in JP.

And with the fail rates,poor hardware and half of the better titles being on PC who needs a 360...or PS3 for that matter both are bloated POS's that are using 110 year old tech to do games on, I don't care about graphics and physics suck if the game dose and gameplay for most games is like hollywoods dialog/scripting IT SUCKS for the price.

Despite me being a game nazi fact is fact the 360 dose not have the JP games JP likes nor the genre types thats why its always failed to lead the JP market.

And you being such a 360fanboy you seem to fail to read when I say they COULD lead JP if they make a focused effort and go out of thier way to do it.(willing to setup a dev house that will let devs cheaply port and translate games so they can be launched in 3+ markets at once).

Comment by: theschaft (Feb 08, 2008 15:16)

You are right. I like 360. Yes in Japan they are not selling well. What I said was that it is stupid to say that MS should not have even tried to sell 360s in Japan. Microsoft is trying to expand its sales so what. Is it really so bad? Apparently that's not giving any expansion effort. For the price consoles are not that bad. Computers can be really expensive when purchasing to play to new games. Consoles can automaticaly play the games that are out for them, no upgrade necessary. Although I agree the PC is better.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 08, 2008 15:32)

Originally posted by theschaft:

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You are right. I like 360. Yes in Japan they are not selling well. What I said was that it is stupid to say that MS should not have even tried to sell 360s in Japan. Microsoft is trying to expand its sales so what. Is it really so bad? Apparently that's not giving any expansion effort. For the price consoles are not that bad. Computers can be really expensive when purchasing to play to new games. Consoles can automaticaly play the games that are out for them, no upgrade necessary. Although I agree the PC is better.

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Stop selling or stop trying is silly, they do need to stay completive but they wont get anywhere by doing things like price drops they will maintain but not more than that, perhaps when the library doubles and the prices are half that of the PS3 it will boom alil then...but JP seems to always like its fav systems more.

I am sorry but you are PC ignorant I can run my PC for 3-4 years and keep it new game relevant, I plan my upgrades around 3-5 year periods , its true it can cost twice as much as a new console(I spent 500$ to upgrade my system to a 6600E,2GB 800Mhz ram,8800ts 610MB,sold off my old PC parts for about 200) but the games are cheaper...I can play movies older games and 20X more stuff on it,not to mention paying 5$ a month more for live, I can plug my device of choice into my PC and control a game how I want I am not locked into a gimmicky poorly laid out pad.

Consoles are suck in the stone ages with the loss of cheat devices to make poorly made 60$ games fun and no way to remap out controls and god forbid you want to use a mouse and KB.

For console gaming to be worth the price IMO they need either cheat devices or full button mapping/full KB&mouse support.

But meh opinions they stink :P

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Feb 08, 2008 16:33)

Originally posted by theschaft:

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How is this year the year for PS3. People say a lot about certain games but most of it is hype. I guess we will see. Do you remember Kill Zone, the Halo killer? So much for that. What do you mean larger fan base? People who wanted it and could afford it got one. It would be a good thing for PS3 to drop in price. Maybe then more people will be able to purchase one. That could save blu-ray, but from what I know, HD DVD is where things are going.

Cripple is the right word for what I was trying to say. Of course it wouldn't put Sony out of business. People still purchase PS3s. They have many products other than gaming consoles so support their companies income.

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Believe me, this year is the year for the PS3... and no, KZ is certainly not Halo killer (notice that i didn't even mention it). Perhaps Kill Zone is all hype. Anyhow, all i'm saying, the games are coming (check this month's EGM for the titles, they have this little planner thing, where you rate the games per your taste).

By large fan base, i mean, the X360 was rushed out before the PS3 just to get ahead of the game. If you had read the truth behind the X360's infamous RRoD problem, you know that it was the management's decision to rush out the console (they knew the console has design issues). The MS gaming management team gambled on the earlier X360 release. The bet was a good one for MS, even with RRoD problems. Not only they established a good fan base, but also Live users (which they also earned money from). Because of that, the PS3 got a lot to catch up...

Also, i think you're not up-to-date on the HDM front... Blu-ray doesn't need to be saved and HD-DVD is not where things should be (Where HD-DVD is going? To the grave... Personally, i don't know what it can do to save itself).

Comment by: theschaft (Feb 08, 2008 16:43)

I see where you are coming from for the most part. Thank you for supporting your statements. As for the HD DVD and Blu-ray, I guess we will see.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 08, 2008 16:50)

Gnawnivek
o7 was the year of the 360 nothing liek the hype of fail like halo 3 and bioshock, both are about solid as the new star wars movies and have as many drooling fans....

the 360 can only really sustain itself unless MS dose some price cutting and puts better hardware in the 360, otherwise the 360 is going to get worse over time.

the PS3 can only get better.

the WII will maintain its kingdom well.

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Feb 08, 2008 17:13)

Originally posted by theschaft:

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I see where you are coming from for the most part. Thank you for supporting your statements. As for the HD DVD and Blu-ray, I guess we will see.

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For that reason that's why i still have my HD-DVD add-on for the X360. Not because Blu-ray is winning, but because it will still take a lot of times for the current exclusive HD-DVDs to get ported over to Blu-ray. I mean, hell knows when Bourne HD-DVDs gonna get released on Blu-ray... Same thing with Spiderman if HD-DVD camp is gaining the upper hand. People supporting one format over the other don't seem to see that...

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Feb 08, 2008 17:24)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Gnawnivek
o7 was the year of the 360 nothing liek the hype of fail like halo 3 and bioshock, both are about solid as the new star wars movies and have as many drooling fans....

the 360 can only really sustain itself unless MS dose some price cutting and puts better hardware in the 360, otherwise the 360 is going to get worse over time.

the PS3 can only get better.

the WII will maintain its kingdom well.

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wow ZippyDSM, for the first time, i actually agree with you :)

As a X360 owner, nothing is more hurtful to hear people's complaint about RRoD (went through that once myself). Please MS, fix the problem (no, 10% from 30% is not good enough) and restore the good name to the X360.

Once PS3 catches up or on par with X360, MS got a lot to think about... As of now, the two biggest turn off for me for the X360 are:
1. RRoD problem (yes, my X360 is under warranty, but i don't want to waste 3-4 weeks get it fixed for FREE again).
2. Xbox Live fee (sorry, this should be FREE, if not, $1 a month sounds good). I have to wait like two weeks to download the latest demos (yes, if you don't pay, you can't download demos on day one). Many Gold members think downloading demo when first available actually a value added feature (go figure this one out yourself).

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 08, 2008 17:37)

Gnawnivek

MS could do 2 simple things that would truly revolutionize gaming to the point where I wont mind the hardware issues and yearly life fee.

1. Full remappable KB and mouse support,do this through firmware so all games support it, doing ti through a 50$ MS adapter is actsceable as well.

2.Create a board to let in some AO titles,let devs at least try and make AO titles for your console, MS has the most bland and predictable genre types of any console play to the strengths of the console and let devs make the most of what they have.

These 2 things (at least the full button mapping thing) would win PC gamers over.

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Feb 08, 2008 17:52)

ZippyDSM

I see... you got some valid points even though they don't apply to me :) (sorry, to each of his/her own).

I love to use mouse and KB for FPS, but hell, no easy ways on the console (they have the gadget for the PS3, but it sucked), so i ended up "mastering" the X360 controller for FPS games. No easy head shots, but i still enjoyed the games (i play them on casual or easy, i don't give a damn about achievements or game score points). However, i can see the potential of bring in PC gamers to the X360 if they offer something like this... Of course, then a new mayhem will arise, "the dude beat my score cause he can do head shot with a click!"

As to AO titles, sorry, no big fans on extreme violent games (i don't think Gears of War, God of War or even GTA count as extreme violent games)... But yes, it should be available on any platform, after all, it's a free country :) As long as you can prove you're older enough to play, i'm all for it.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 08, 2008 17:59)

Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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ZippyDSM

I see... you got some valid points even though they don't apply to me :) (sorry, to each of his/her own).

I love to use mouse and KB for FPS, but hell, no easy ways on the console (they have the gadget for the PS3, but it sucked), so i ended up "mastering" the X360 controller for FPS games. No easy head shots, but i still enjoyed the games (i play them on casual or easy, i don't give a damn about achievements or game score points). However, i can see the potential of bring in PC gamers to the X360 if they offer something like this... Of course, then a new mayhem will arise, "the dude beat my score cause he can do head shot with a click!"

As to AO titles, sorry, no big fans on extreme violent games (i don't think Gears of War, God of War or even GTA count as extreme violent games)... But yes, it should be available on any platform, after all, it's a free country :) As long as you can prove you're older enough to play, i'm all for it.

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Well the AO would go to full topless nudity, that alone will double sales of DOAX :P, butit might let through a unedited Manhunt 2, because AO titles are so hated on that alone will keep them minmlized the top down censorship from the console makers..the market place will more than control it.

As for the pad V mouse argument people are already separated by elites and losers KB and M wont change that nor will it change online play, what it will do and give players the best option for control and that should supercide petty pad eliteisim..or over priced pad sales :P.

Comment by: snowlock (Feb 09, 2008 01:51)

somebody should make a console controller with pointer functionality...

...oh wait

=X


seriously, i think an optional wii-mote style controller would be a good option for fps, probably with a usb "sensor bar." it feels really good in metroid, but there just seems to be no other worthwhile titles for me to play like that.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 09, 2008 02:52)

snowlock
true ,altho one of the reasons why most games feel off is because games are now being made for the main stream and not for gamers that on top of rushing to meet deadlines.....you get alot of iffy games.

Comment by: wetsparks (Feb 09, 2008 04:42)

I don't see how letting people make more AO games would do anything. With all the violence in games right now (chainsawing people in GTA/Gears/Dead Rising) it would only be nudity and anyone who really wants pixilated boobs has issues. To the article, as mentioned, Japanese gamers have different tastes (*gasp* people from a different country like something different than I do), Microsoft has tried to appeal to them with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey but it takes more than that and they don't seem willing to try to hard.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 09, 2008 05:05)

Originally posted by wetsparks:

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I don't see how letting people make more AO games would do anything. With all the violence in games right now (chainsawing people in GTA/Gears/Dead Rising) it would only be nudity and anyone who really wants pixilated boobs has issues. To the article, as mentioned, Japanese gamers have different tastes (*gasp* people from a different country like something different than I do), Microsoft has tried to appeal to them with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey but it takes more than that and they don't seem willing to try to hard.

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Games like bioshock lose months of dev time to retooling the game to meet the M rateing and one can not release a AO game on the console as well as the whole Manhunt 2 thing, be accepting some AO titles it can further its own niche and even widen it alil.

The only way to break the censorship bubble and make AO the NC17 it was meant to be is when one console maker gives and let it onto their system...that or hiltery will censor stuff for you and with laws and enforcement over the sale of mature stuff to minors it might break through then...but it will send the media industry back a couple decades....

BTW CG bewbs are cool :P

Comment by: wetsparks (Feb 09, 2008 05:11)

How did they lose months of dev time? I haven't played the game but I know a little bit about it and you can rescue the little sisters (I believe they are called) and kill them by sucking some magic thing out of them or you can save them and not suck as much magic stuff. What did they ease up on that was worse than that? And how did they also not know about the "no AO rule" and not plan that when first discussing what kind of game they were making and what they would put in it?

edit: I don't want to sound condescending or anything, but devs know these things rules and that most game stores won't stock their games if they have that AO rating so I have a hard time thinking that their creative writer people who come up with ideas have a hard time coming up with stuff given the violence you are allowed to put in and when games like doa:beach volleyball have women as close as you can get to naked without being naked.

Comment by: jverhey (Feb 09, 2008 13:16)

I live in Japan and the Japanese people love American products and the only reason that the XBOX isnt doing well here is the game styles. Microsoft finally started getting good Japanese designers to make Japanese style games but it will take some time to build a market here. But the same here or actually worse that Sony pays a lot of money to dominate the store space. If you are a direct competition of them your product is very difficult to even find in the store. I have a 360 here and everyone loves it and wants to come over and play but my games are very limited for their liking. I am waiting to get a copy of Oddessy for here and it will be a very big hit for them. But selling 300,000 units in Japan this year and have no Japanese marketable games is pretty impressive to say the least. I personally will have a PS3 sitting beside my 360 as soon as I get conformation they will have True HD audio with the 2.0 update. Also I was getting the RROD for a bit here untill I removed the Nyco or whatever it is called cooler off of my unit and then the RROD went away and its been a champ ever since.

Comment by: borhan9 (Feb 28, 2008 04:52)

I would personally still prefer an xbox with a hard drive it would be easier to store stuff. why not just put a small hdd in it and then go cheaper.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 28, 2008 05:02)

Originally posted by borhan9:

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I would personally still prefer an xbox with a hard drive it would be easier to store stuff. why not just put a small hdd in it and then go cheaper.

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because it costs about 40cent difference every 30GB to buy a them to buy a 20-120GBHDD for the 360 line, they also want to control content on the 360 by locking it throughly (unlock the USB pipes you you wont need to full with a HDD kit and you can drop the arcade sku limit on live content)

the 360 is so full of holes its just sad....at least the PS3 has a lunix back door for the most part..

2 things and I will be all over the 360, being able to replace the pad with a KB&mouse setup for any game I wish and unlocked USB pipes so I ca move saves and files to and from a USB HDD.

these 2 things will out power the the 360s down side.

Comment by: snowlock (Feb 28, 2008 08:50)

huh?

zippy, do you mean you can't use a usb mass storage device device with the 360? i have a buddy whose decision to buy a ps3 over a laptop was heavily influenced by the fact he could rip cd's and load them onto his mp3 phone...and play ps3 games. in the same box.

i guess they just wanted to peddle those proprietary hdd add-ons.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 28, 2008 12:47)

Originally posted by snowlock:

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huh?

zippy, do you mean you can't use a usb mass storage device device with the 360? i have a buddy whose decision to buy a ps3 over a laptop was heavily influenced by the fact he could rip cd's and load them onto his mp3 phone...and play ps3 games. in the same box.

i guess they just wanted to peddle those proprietary hdd add-ons.

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they have the USB pipes locked you can stream from it but not use it like a HDD to move sht to, this is a main sticking factor for me with ful KB&mouse useage...and cheat devices.

Comment by: emugamer (Feb 28, 2008 16:59)

Originally posted by snowlock:

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huh?

zippy, do you mean you can't use a usb mass storage device device with the 360? i have a buddy whose decision to buy a ps3 over a laptop was heavily influenced by the fact he could rip cd's and load them onto his mp3 phone...and play ps3 games. in the same box.

i guess they just wanted to peddle those proprietary hdd add-ons.

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Yeah, that's one of the attractive features of the PS3. I just transferred my save games to a USB jump drive before I re-formatted the hypervisor. Piece o' cake. And on a side note....swapping the HDD doesn't void the warranty!