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Comment by: kearney (Jan 23, 2007 13:52)

tru003
You obviously didn't read what I said. I am a PS2 fan. I love my PS2 and the games for it. I'm not going to buy a wii (although I do want to) nor am I going to buy a PS3. when they come down in price, then maybe i'll consider.

I'm happy that PS3 are selling in your area. They aren't selling well here.

John1800 (read this tru003)
I think you're onto something. I'm 23 and make OK money. after the day is over, I don't really think bout bying games. instead I'm thinkinf of something bigger...a new S2000 :D

Comment by: cobra45 (Jan 23, 2007 14:00)

ok i have one question,

if the ps3 isso great, and yeah they have blue ray, "whoopie" if they are so great, how come sony wont even make a new aged controller? i mean come on, its the same dagone controller from the good ol ps.

ps3 is cool and all but when you come out with a new system it needs more new to it than just blue ray, who actully uses blue ray yet anyway.

Comment by: oofRome (Jan 23, 2007 15:11)

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oofRome,
Did I mention anything about violence? No! I just said I stopped playing Nintendo along time ago. I said Nintendo focus on making games for younger people. Read before you post and quit assuming you no what you are talking about.

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My sincere apologies. Much of the previous posts made were refrencing "blood, gore, and nudity", so I was assuming that was the context in which you made your reply.
Perhaps you could elaborate on what you meant by "Nintendo focus on making games for younger people".


Edit** on the same note, I'm not denying that the most recent Nintendo consoles are lacking in the "m" rated games department. But realizing what type of content constitutes an "M" rating from ESRB clearly supports my previous post.

Comment by: kishan73 (Jan 23, 2007 15:50)

Video games are great! I'll be 34 yrs old this year and I own both systems (Xbox360 & PS3.) Honestly, I'm dissappointed in the PS3. Microsoft is basically new to this industry and they've done nothing but improve where as Sony, who WAS the industry leader has taken several steps backwards. Nintendo, obviously, has taken strides on a different level. The PS3 is more powerful, but with them being the leader for so long I think they've lost focus on the industry and what made them the leader. Microsoft is trying to listen to what consumers want. True, all companies are in business to make money. You can't fault any of them for that, but you can fault a company for trying to sell people things that they don't need or won't have a use for. Sony makes Movies, TV's, DVD players, Game systems, etc... They're pushing the PS3 in order to get you to buy a NEW, more expensive Blu-ray player (masked as the PS3) so that you'll have to buy the new 1080p Sony TV, and buy Sony's more expensive Blu-ray Movie and Blu-ray games, etc..etc... There's no rumble feature in the PS3 'cause Sony refuses to pay royalties to a company that founded the technology first. Microsoft, Nintendo, and others already settled their suits but Sony refuses and we as consumers suffer. My PS3 collects dust along with the games that I purchased. People ask me which one is better. I tell them this, if you already have Sony games (PS2) then buy the PS3 but if you don't have any game console and want one, go with the Xbox360. You can do sooooo much more and at a cheaper price. Alot more games, better online capabilities, outputs 1080p just like the PS3 and developers are more excited about making games for it 'cause it's more user friendly for both the end user (consumers) and developers. There will be a winner between Blu-ray and HD-DVD and when I go to Best Buy there's a limited supply of Blu-ray because it's mostly only Sony titles that are in Blu-ray format where as the HD-DVD section is blooming.

Comment by: tru003 (Jan 23, 2007 20:18)

kearney

Actually you missed what I was saying. I said that the reason why people always talking bad about the PS3 (even though more than half never played it)is becuase they cannot afford it. It's not talking down to anyone that do not have a lot of money. I'm like this if you cannot afford it or you will not pay that much for the system. Then why talk about something that you do not know anything about first-hand. Oh yeah I think bigger then video games. (I try to keep the topic about games and you want to bring up the other mess) I am a homeowner and I am well off. I invest my money and save my money. You can keep the S2000 Honda is overrated anyway.

Comment by: hughjars (Jan 23, 2007 21:37)

Wow. Toubled times for Sony or what?

This just goes from bad to worse to laughable
(were it not for their intended gouging over prices here when it comes to the UK).

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PS3 sales in Japan haven't cooled off, they've frozen.

Consoles sit on shelves as gamers wait it out: Waiting for actual games to appear or prices to drop.
Retailers, on the other hand, are an impatient lot. Retailers are also buying "used" PS3s at much lower prices than previously, paying well under the original sticker price.

Just look at how the Don Quijote in Akihabara is slicing 20 percent off the 20GB PLAYSTATION 3.
Nice 20-20 irony. The 20GB version originally books at 49,980 yen (US $412), but is being offered for 39,980 yen ($329) in a sale ending February.
The shop is knocking a flat 10,000 yen ($82) right now. Japanese bulletin board 2chan reports that this at other Don Quijotes as well.
It's interesting to check out the PS3 vibe at 2chan; Reasons for not buying go from "there are no games I want" to "video stores don't rent Blu-ray movies." Well, not yet that is

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http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/japanese-st...ices-230297.php

- $329(£166 approx at today's exchange rate) in Japan and yet they apparantly want to charge us £425 ($840) in march (if they arrive then).

.....if they can't shift them (after the short initial fanboy rush) at £166 in Japan what makes them think we'll go for them at £425 here (after the short fanboy rush, obviously)?

What a stupid rip-off mess that machine is.

(BTW naughty zippy, going getting yourself suspended like that.
Now would be a good time to be discussing your ideas of how a modular system would be better.....and I agree, it would too.)

Comment by: jacsac (Jan 24, 2007 01:11)

I have a Wii and a PS3. Actually I have owned 3 PS3's and 10 Wii's. The PS3 has been a disappointment not because it is inferior but the launch games totally suck. Why would $ony even let companies release these stupid games? I am not a hardcore Madden player so what was I left with? Resistance was fun for the day it took to beat. The rest of the games are lacking.

When I stood in line for the release of the PS3 some one asked me if I was going to wait for the Wii. I really did not know anything about it. I can tell you now though it is awesome. The sports game is the best game to ever come with a system. I do Wii fitness everyday. The gameplay is the next step in video game evolution. If the nintendo was HD this would be the system to get. Maybe those calling the Wii a kids game hasn't played it or did not play with other people. Would you rather look at the eye candy of tiger woods on PS3 or swing the club on Wii?

I do value the PS3 Blu-ray but again where are all the movies? I know of a 1000 movies I would buy but Stealth, World Trade Center, and MI:III aren't any of them. Sony is messing up big time. There are a ton of fanboys who need to realize no gamemaker gives a rat's buttocks about them only that wallet in their pocket.

Comment by: cobra45 (Jan 24, 2007 06:35)

ok this goes out to the people who keep saying even though you have never tried the system you still dog it bacause we cant afford it, you are a retard!!! if you sat and thought for a second um everyone that dogs it id bet owns a 360, and how much does one cost? id say around 500 taxes and all, thats only 2 bills less than the ps3, so what you are saying is we can afford 5 but not 7 hundred for a game system? and by the way you have no clue to what my income is so dont act like you know im to broke to buy a ps3.

ive got an x box a 360 a ps2, psp, not 1 but 2 laptops and a desktop, not to mention a 130 inch projection system to play my game systems on my living room wall, and to add im only 23 years of age. not back for a person so called to broke to shell out 7 bills, so dont tell me im to broke, lame ass.... money is no object when you want something real bad. so i wonder if you can get a clue as the why i dont buy a ps3.

my opinion on the ps3 is the only reason it is so big is the time delay on its arival. people keep wanting it and wanting it and finally it comes out, people only want it because of the wait time and the hype created because of it.

for example: halo 2, they kept putting back the date over and over, and finally they came out with it and thats the first game i have ever waited in line for, i waited 3 hours. took it home and what happend? 1 week later was the last time i played it. the only real new thing for the game was double welding and online play. thats crap. but in my own opinion all the hype i was hearing and the idea of a game that kept changing there release date due to rumor "making the game better" oh man i have to own this game, such a let down, halo is cool in its own right but not top of the line.

back to the ps3. yeah cool graphics and yeah Blu-ray, but come on its the same ol ps box as from the begaining. to be honest, no matter what platfom you like to play on, there is only so much you can get from it. online play, listening to music, viewing pictures, chatting or e mail, all from your dashboard. well it gets old and its not a new technology. like was posted, sony isnt new to the game and microsoft is, id think that sony might have more of an edge.

ill give you my thought on one reason as to why i like the 360 over all, im a big fan of music, so when i play my video games i like to hear my most liked songs in the video game, x box 1 made it possible, 360 made it even better becase now you can stream music right off you computer hard drive as you play,right through your network.and no more wasting hard drive space on your x box nor wasting time loading songs to the hard drive. on top of that the x box 1 you could only play your own music with compatable games, 360 no matter what game you have in the try its going to let you listen and play at the same time. and oh my gosh here is another cool little detail. your friends list even tells you when the last time your friends were on, that way if they havent been on in 6 monhs well why let them waste your space on your friends list.... hmmm... x box market place, a way to download free game demos and video clips not to mention all the other things you can do with it. the list goes on and on... i think that microsoft hit the nail on the head this round.

i dont know if ps3 has these capabilities, but all i know is why even waste the money on a system that has seldom changed, like in my other post, the controller in the same, i just want to know why they cant update that... its one of the reasons why I would have to give it a thumbs down. i want a system that plays different than the rest.... come on sony live a little....

one more of my opinions, i dont really think that sony is losing out on any money when they sell a system. like said many times, they are here to make money, not take it out of there pocket so you can have a game console to play. for the money they spend creating a console and developing new technologys for the system. from what i have heard its not the systems that cost so much but the development of the new technology. question, microsoft uses new technology right, so how come its not costing them more than they are making. sounds like a pore excuse from sony to me....

Comment by: hughjars (Jan 24, 2007 07:07)

I find it hilarious how the Sony fanclub choose not to pick up on the topic of the thread or anything said about it but think a argumentative lecture about what great value they think the PS3 is will do the trick!

It's really funny.

The point of this thread is that even in it's home market the PS3 is bombing badly (way way worse than they could ever have planned for).

The amazing thing is how right now in japan they're charging $329 (£166/€253 at todays rates) and they still aren't shifting them.

Even the 'regular' Japanese price looks like a great bargain compared to what we are supposed to be looking at for one
(49,980 yen = US $412 = £208 = €316).

Remember they're going to try and charge £425/€599/€647 (=$840) here in Europe, the UK and Republic of Ireland in march (if they come by then).

(wonder what the next attempt to divert the thread will be?)

BTW (as if it had the slightest relevance to the topic anyways) I don't have the XBox 360 or the Wii.

Comment by: xBMODSx (Jan 24, 2007 10:20)

Originally posted by tru003:

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lol! You all are funny. Making comment's such as "PS3 hasn't sold in several stores". "Wii is selling everywhere". Who cares? Out here the PS3 is selling out in a lot of places. I think there are a bunch of fanboys on this board. Tell you the truth I think anybody that sits here and make comments like that are childish. Nintendo base their games for younger people even though there are adults that play the Wii.I had stop playing Nintendo along time ago for that reason. I think people that bash the PS3 and sometimes the 360 is becuase they cannot afford them. If you can't afford the system okay, but don't sit around and act like a kid by bashing these other consoles. Besides these companies are the ones making money off of all of us. Tell you the truth the PS3 is not a bad price due to the fact that Sony is losing about $250 for each console. Anyway quit act childish and play your games!
Thanks!

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Ok, I live in a major part of Florida i went to my local best buys wal-marts etc. I have yet to see them sold......Ps3 sales are BAD! only cat. i can put it in. The Wii........i myself am a fan. The graphics arent the best........but I will still sit down and play it because it is enjoying.

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Comment by: xBMODSx (Jan 24, 2007 10:30)

Me i remeber when the 360 came out people were bashing it....sayin the ps3 was goin to blow it out of the water well guess what NOPE...but idc if the Wii will beat the 360 cause no one talked smack about wii beating 360 so i have no problems.....

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I modded my xbox in 4 min!
iRiver PMC with a 30 gb hdd and Windows!
iPod 2nd gen. modded with iPod wizard!

Comment by: tru003 (Jan 24, 2007 18:48)

xBMODSx,

I live in a major part of Florida too and in my area they are selling.

I just don't understand how people can be a fan aka fanboy of a video game system. I have a 360, PS3, and I built my own computer for gaming. I think both are good systems. They both have good things about them. People that talk bad about the PS3 based on the price are ridiculous. Probably more then half have never played the PS3. The only problem that PS3 has right now is a lack of games which 360 had when they first launched. Other then that no prob I can play NB2K7 for awhile. As for the Wii; like I said before NIntendo's main focus is the younger generation and you cannot deny that. Remember the biggest selling system during the holidays was the PS2. So I'm quite sure $ony is not worried about this news. I just don't understand why people are so bias just play the games and enjoy.

Comment by: Decon954 (Jan 24, 2007 19:14)

Well said tru003

Comment by: hughjars (Jan 24, 2007 20:02)

What you mean be a good sheeple and just ignore how they're ripping us off?

Forget how right now in japan they're charging $329 = £166/€253 at todays rates (and they still aren't shifting them).

The 'regular' Japanese price is half what we are supposed to be looking at for one

(49,980 yen = US $412 = £208 = €316).

They're going to try and charge £425/€599/€647 (=$840) here in Europe, the UK and Republic of Ireland in march (if they come by then).

Shut up and just put up with it?

Not on your life.

Comment by: kearney (Jan 25, 2007 01:00)

ok tru003 i do have to give you props for the last comment you made. its probably the only thing you said that I will agree with, "...just play the games and enjoy." and also there does seem to be a lack of good games (although, I do like genji).

I agree, evn though sony wants to sell ps3's they are still selling lots of ps2s and ps2 games. I mean the ps2 is a nice system. sony is not hurting right now. disappointed maybe but not hurtin

also, I never said that the PS3s weren't selling here. I said that for 12 days, the only gamestop I visit hasn't sold a ps3.

And being a fanboy isn't something to be ashamed of. although I am ashamed of how sony won't admit that the ps3 isn't selling well by saying other factors "dont reflect accurate information" I love the PS2. I think if sony had been smart, the ps3 would have been a ps2 with more memory and a faster processor of the same architecture. compatability would have been eliminated as well as the need for firmware updates. and if the price was $250 (like the PS2 was when it came out) well, things would have been more interesting.

cobra45
FIRST: I want to come jam at your house! holy schiznek, you really got your living room decked out.

with that aside...crap, i'm going to have to defend sony (as much as I hate it) on the price of the ps3. they did a lot of R&D to get the ps3 to where it is. Its a nice piece of hardware so I commend them on that. I guess the only thing I can say is, they're trying to recover their losses from the development of the processor, Blu-ray reader, and getting the wirelss and six axis controller to all work seamless on the console. and at the same time provide a way for programmers to program games for the system

however, I would have liked to try the new 'boomerang' controller that Sony first debuted. I thought that controller looked a more fun

but other than that...the ps3 is to much money.

Comment by: cobra45 (Jan 25, 2007 01:31)

kearney you have a great point, what did happen to that boomerang controller? i think that is the reason that the ps3 was a let down. the idea of a silver system was cool, because most new age tv's, tv stands furnature come in silver, it would match. black and chrome is awsome too but i dunno, it just doesnt sell to me, my biggest hang up on the playstation is that they dont even have hard drive space to save games. i hate to have to buy crap like memory cards. im guessing that the ps3 would have a hard drive to save a game to the system but geeze it would be about time huh.

Comment by: cobra45 (Jan 25, 2007 01:32)

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5mnmTbhF9SsBd7mjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12cn62b49/EXP=1169792870/**http%3A//transformerscarrobots.homestead.com/files/ps3.jpg

Comment by: xBMODSx (Jan 25, 2007 09:59)

I never said i was bashing any system. I have played the Ps3 and do own a Wii And a 360. I didnt say the Ps3 wasnt enjoyable i was just tired of people bashing the 360 and now that the Ps3 came out and were'nt selling to hott i'd just figure it would shut them up lol.

But yes the Wii is for a younger Generation but that dosent mean it cant be enjoyable :P.


Also TRU what part of Florida?


xbmodsx

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Comment by: kearney (Jan 25, 2007 11:07)

cobra45, ROFLMAO that was the best picture. yeah, I totally agree, the silver is so much better than black and chrome. and yes, memory cards are so expensive compared to a harddrive. that does suck

to anyone who has a ps3:
how is the latency on the Blu-ray disk? that was one of the biggest gripes I had about the ps2. play a little, then wait for the next stage to be rendered. I'm assuming that with the disk having increased in size by 6 times, that the latency would is friggin terrible.

xBMODSx
I agree, the ps3 isn't all its cracked up to be. and i don't know if the graphics really are better than the 360, but the hype is overrated in my opinion.

What keeps irkin me is ppl saying "younger generations". no, its for people who don't have to have blood or creepiness. I've played super swing golf. that is the best game to play with friends when you just want to have fun. is golf only for young kids? NO. and dont give me this crap about, well you can go to driving range if you like golf that much. no, I can stay in my apt with my friends and play golf. even after a week, we havn't gotten tired of playing. we act like kinder gardeners but it is so fun.

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to play killzone with my friends, and when you die, it sucks, because you have to wait to respawn, and get back to your friends, if they haven't died. its fun at first, but then its like, geez why did your duma$$ have to die.

And its obvious everyone is forgetting all the family oriented or non-violent games for the ps2. oh my I have poker, wow theres no violence there. great for families too. there's tonnes of family oriented games for the ps2. but I why don't I hear, oh, the ps2 is only for younger generations? oh, right, because there are some violent games. in case you don't remember, how many of those violent games were actually fun or enjoyable? remember resident evil was for both systems (PS2 and GC)

anyways, sony has learned that expensive hardware doesn't sell games. nor does only advertising gory games. sony needs to get back to only allowing fun games for their system, with good graphics and even better story lines

Oh, and one more note, half the games for the GC never make it to america. there a lot of good games that only stay in japan.

Comment by: oofRome (Jan 25, 2007 14:54)

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As for the Wii; like I said before NIntendo's main focus is the younger generation and you cannot deny that.

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Yes I can:

1st party titles released on the Wii:
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Wii Sports
Wii Play

Nintendo hopes to target a wider demographic with its console than that of others in the seventh generation.[7] At a press conference for Dragon Quest IX, Satoru Iwata iterated "We're not thinking about fighting Sony, but about how many people we can get to play games. The thing we're thinking about most is not portable systems, consoles, and so-forth, but that we want to get new people playing games."[28]
-wiki

Wii Sports/Play are perfect examples of targeting a much broader audience, and Zelda:TP is hardly a "Kid" game considering the kind of aptitude you need to solve some of the puzzles.

This is the second time I'm going to ask you, but could you please elaborate on what you mean by "Kid" games if you aren't talking about games rated "M".

Comment by: Decon954 (Jan 25, 2007 17:01)

The wii is not only for kids,but Nintendo does target younger gamers for there games,even Zelda: Twilight Princess is rated teen. Now is that bad? No but why not add more adult content to a game like this. Because Nintendo wants to be able to sell more games and they know that most parents will still buy a game that's rated teen for there kid who is 9-10 years old, I played them when I was younger and so did most of my friends, but now I'm 27 and as good as the game is and it is good, I would love to see some blood when I kill something. Saying the wii is for kids is right and wrong, Because to me when your 12-15 years of age you still are a kid, It's not like your sating on your mommies lap,But your not going out to the bar and getting smashed and coming home with 5 drunk friends talking about how your going to beat the shit out of them in fight night. The wii is fun to play even at 27, but it's still geared towards younger aged people and most people when they say kids maybe just mean a younger crowed.

Comment by: oofRome (Jan 25, 2007 21:59)

No I almost completely agree with you, in that the "kiddie" image is directly linked to rated "M" games and thus, the lack of violence.
Almost all the games on the Wii are rated E, or some sub category of E, with a few M's and 5-10 T's.
Tru just went off the handle accusing me of assuming wrong when I thought that's what he meant when he said "kid games".
Still awaiting his reply...

Comment by: kearney (Jan 26, 2007 01:07)

Decon
OK, that explanation really helps out. when I hear kiddie, I'm thinking sponge bob. And I guess I can agree that yes, it would be nice to at least have the opt to turn blood on. I haven't played zelda too much, still having too much fun drinking and playing golf :-) but, OK, I now agree with the people who say that the wii is geared to a broader group, making games for all ages does narrow down the field to less M and more E

so anyone with a ps3 care to answer my question, tru I know you have one. hows the latency of Blu-ray? does it suck as a much as the PS2's latency?

also tru, my response to john was in response to your "not having enough money to buy a ps3" i can afford one, but I can also find a better way to spend 600, guess it needed an explanation, sorry

Comment by: tru003 (Jan 26, 2007 19:46)

oofRome,
Hello once again. What did think I was dodging? I am a busy guy with a busy career. Personally I feel when your biggest titles rely on anything that pertains to mario this and mario that and Zelda (which I loved when I was younger). Super Smash Bros. Brawl and WarioWare another example.
Why get upset with the comment that I made about Nintendos main focus? Are you one their payroll? I play sports and certain action/adventure games, so rated M does not apply to me. As far as the PS3 no problem here. 360 nope. Any other questions?
Have fun with the Wii. But you cannot bash the 360 or PS3 when there terchnology is up to par with the 21st century and the Wii is outdated. The Wii's major innovation is the controller which is a excellent idea. It just hilarious how people just get upset over nothing. I am not even getting upset about the comments to tell you the truth. I am just trying to make a point. So just be happy and enjoy your Nintendo, PS3, or 360.

xBMODSx
I am in the Tampa Bay area.

Comment by: hughjars (Jan 27, 2007 10:26)

Looks like this is becoming a trend -

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PS3 sales down again
PS3 sells only slightly more than PS2 in Japan
Martyn Williams

Sales of the PlayStation 3 (PS3) in Japan dropped further in the week to 21 January as the games market there suffered from lacklustre demand, according to data published today. The PS3, which is due to launch in the UK on 23 March, suffered its worst week of sales since launch for the second week in a row.

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http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=8207