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Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 19, 2010 00:37)

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

Comment by: llongtheD (Mar 19, 2010 01:05)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

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No problem zippy, thinking about putting a player in my htpc soon. The price of the blank media is still a little too high for me to splurge on a burner though.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 19, 2010 01:32)

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

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No problem zippy, thinking about putting a player in my htpc soon. The price of the blank media is still a little too high for me to splurge on a burner though.

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My buner was 148$ and I can get 15 25GB discs for roughly 40-50$ I was paying as much for 50 DL DVDs last year so its good enough right now to slowly transition to it over the next year, still using more blank dvds.

Comment by: alexeemo (Mar 19, 2010 16:50)

I read almost every post. I love the ones that get people really talking. IMO I love buying great used games at Gamestop. I don't sell too many of my games though. I keep them and a year later play them again. I just finished 100% percent trophies in crushing mode for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. BD is essential right now. people still want, and might even always want, a hard copy. There's now way I could store 15 PS3 titles on my original 60g PS3. Not to mention the headache of DRM and no more used copies to buy. If MS actually believes there's no loss to the 360 for not having BD, then their days are numbered because they are idiots.

Comment by: Jemborg (Mar 19, 2010 20:38)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.

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Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.

The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.


All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P

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You need to read the posts more thoroughly before commenting. I said pretty clearly in my post that since the price of bluray had come down, and the protections were broken, I though it was viable. I also said that microsoft is going to need some type of high capacity format in their next console to remain competitive. The only negative thing I said about it was why I thought it won the format war nothing else. I have neither format by the way, and if the price of bluray players comes down a bit more I'll probably pick one up. So again, not sure where the butt hurt cream comment is coming from, or did they give you a tube of it when you purchased a first gen bluray player. :)

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Oh sorry I skimmed to much that time....(OOHHH SHINY!!!) :P

There is still alot of buthurt(ill feeling) around over blu ray becoming the new disc format.

I got my a nice lil BR burner for my PC not that interested in getting a stand along player will get a PS3, just got a 360 ^^.

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No problem zippy, thinking about putting a player in my htpc soon. The price of the blank media is still a little too high for me to splurge on a burner though.

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My buner was 148$ and I can get 15 25GB discs for roughly 40-50$ I was paying as much for 50 DL DVDs last year so its good enough right now to slowly transition to it over the next year, still using more blank dvds.

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Gee, that's not like you to jump the gun for a bit of onboard biffo Zip?... :P

I hope someone "OOHHH SHINY!!!ed" your backside for it you
naughty boy.

I too have a BR drive in the HTS I built. But why the f*** should I bother with a BR burner if I can buy a 1Tb external drive for $120 AUS and just store the flicks or whatever to that for an equivalent sum?

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: xboxd00d (Mar 20, 2010 11:07)

Micro$haft suck, instead of being tight fisted why didnt they just build a hd-dvd drive into the 3-Fix-Me to start with, might av give the hd-dvd format a fighting chance.

Bill Gates to his team when discussing the shitbox prob went something like this......

"do we need a hd media drive built in? NO"
"how about a hard drive as standard? NO"
"wireless pads? NO"
"what about wireless pads with built in lithium battery packs? NAH"
"built in Wi-Fi? haha, yea right"
"free access to online gaming? No chance, im broke!"
"ok then we will at least make a reliable console? No lets just rush it out without proper testing to beat the japs at releasing their monster console"

LMAO

Comment by: Xboxhack (Apr 19, 2010 16:21)

A most interesting discussion I must say, in my opinion I BR will be pretty redundant soon. Microsoft will probably streamline its pc/xbox games for the next console, possibly with a backward compatibility for the full range of PC titles available installed to SSD drives/ plug-in 1TB modules, etc. Networked Home Server based Xbox system for full household integration with PC's, X10 apps etc.
Why would optical media be needed; its noisy, vibrates delicate components and creates a lot of storage problems if you go the way of one disc one game/movies.
Sony will want to carry on down the line with discs as it has commit itself a little bit now with BR and needs the revenue, what with all the recent battery/reputation issues and the amount of money it spent securing BR as a standard. Just as Ninetendo did with the game cartridges it invested in to protect its copyrights, Sony has its format medium too with its slightly flawed security protection.
I have an Xbox 360, HTPC, 3 laptops, 2 desktops and always move data between them via network, external HDD/usb stick or camera memory card's, I must have 1000's of cd's and dvd's (themselves taking up as much room as all my tech devices) with stuff backed up that I can no longer remember whats important or required and will probably only have time to sift through them if I become ill for a few weeks (think me kidneys are f**ked so might still happen).

Comment by: alexmojo2 (Apr 21, 2010 00:07)

Originally posted by Oner:

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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I agree. It's kinda ridiculous. Microsoft actually puts out some badass games, but when I open the case and there's 30 freaking disks, it gets extremely discouraging.

Comment by: Jemborg (Apr 22, 2010 04:43)

Originally posted by alexmojo2:

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~

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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)

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I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P

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I agree. It's kinda ridiculous. Microsoft actually puts out some badass games, but when I open the case and there's 30 freaking disks, it gets extremely discouraging.

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Regardless of the fact you can copy the contents to the hard drive? then you only have to have one of them inserted.

What X360 game comprises of 30 discs btw?

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: DigiOsmo (Apr 22, 2010 08:04)

While Streaming media is definetly the way of the future it is many, many, many years from being a viable option the world over... Just as an example places like Australia (where im from) streaming HD media over the internet just isnt a possibility unless your paying absurd amounts on your internet bill as most ISP's plans range from having a download cap of 1-160 gig a month (160 being fairly expensive) with some ISP's just capping the user to around 64-128 kbps and others charging per MB used over (40gig being about the avg. The DL limit will increase if the planned upgrades to Aus's internet goes ahead but we have been waiting for a better internet service to become available for a long while now and I personally dont have high expectations of it being anytime soon... especially with how long it took just to get ADSL2+). Now thats just the download cap which would limit the amount of movies we are able to view or have us paying incredibly ludacris net bill every month.
Then theres the actual speed of the internet which I dont how much bandwidth streaming a HD movie uses but I have had problems streaming a standard 1.2gig DVD. Beyond all that Australia (and other places) is usually slumped with streaming from overseas because of the cost of setting up a server over here because of the crap net speeds we have on offer.

I probably repeated myself a fair bit and more than likely i'm incorrect on pretty much all I have said but even if thats the case, I used to download pirate movies all the time rather than going out and buying a retail DVD but now I buy all my movies simply because I prefer recieving solid matter rather than just the digital coding or whatever... with streaming media your just paying for something that can be recreated an infinite amount of times with no real resources or manpower being used.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Regardless of the fact you can copy the contents to the hard drive? then you only have to have one of them inserted.

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Most games still require you to swap disks (guess its so 1 person cant buy a copy of a 4 disk game install it on 4 consoles then you technically have 4 copies of the game), it only saves the laser reading constantly(burning out), load speeds and less sound with no disk spinning.

Comment by: Jemborg (Apr 22, 2010 14:44)

I'm in Adelaide, DigiOsmo, there are more Aussies on this site than you might think. I'm lucky, my connection maxes out at just over 1.1MBs. But that's not great compared to some OS speeds I've seen.

Still, downloading games is the direction that MS are heading for the XBox I reckon. They've looked at Steam and gone, "me too!".

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: alexmojo2 (Apr 22, 2010 21:04)

It wouldn't really matter either way if the Xbox 360 got an external blu-ray. The games still wouldn't be able to be on it, because not everyone would have one. It would only be used for movies. Unless they want to sell 2 versions of the game "blu-ray" and "DVD", then this discussion is rather worthless. The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

Comment by: Pop_Smith (Apr 22, 2010 21:43)

Originally posted by alexmojo2:

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The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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Except Sony doesn't own the patents for Blu-Ray tech. They are only a member of the BDA, and a promoter of Blu-Ray, but I believe that Pioneer is the biggest "owner" of Blu-Ray patents. This means Sony doesn't have much of a say in who gets "permission" to create Blu-Ray compatible devices and who doesn't.

Comment by: ffocus06 (May 14, 2010 03:07)

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Micro$haft suck, instead of being tight fisted why didnt they just build a hd-dvd drive into the 3-Fix-Me to start with, might av give the hd-dvd format a fighting chance.

Bill Gates to his team when discussing the shitbox prob went something like this......

"do we need a hd media drive built in? NO"
"how about a hard drive as standard? NO"
"wireless pads? NO"
"what about wireless pads with built in lithium battery packs? NAH"
"built in Wi-Fi? haha, yea right"
"free access to online gaming? No chance, im broke!"
"ok then we will at least make a reliable console? No lets just rush it out without proper testing to beat the japs at releasing their monster console"

LMAO

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I definitely agree with this lmao! I would have rather seen a HD DVD drive that came standard with the 360 instead just because. Everyone knew the PS3 was gonna have the built in Blu ray so why not try to do something to compete. They were both practically the same price at start anyways! As for the built in wi-fi thats a major issue that needs to be fixed, why not come out with an Elite console that comes with built in wi-fi instead of LEGO Batman and some other crap came I can't remember.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 14, 2010 15:24)

AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

Comment by: ffocus06 (May 14, 2010 18:22)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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That's something I would like to see but why make Live free/$8 a month when there's millions of users already paying the $60 a year? Of course I wouldn't mind it being only free/$8. A BR inside now that would be best, the only reason I bought a PS3 was to play BR movies. I only have three games for it, but about 65 movies. If they wanna keep customers happy and bring in new customers I say it's time to put a BR player in the 360. I would definitely buy another one then, I already have two and I paid for one when it first came out and got another after the arcade dropped to around $300. And if they do that they might as well but wi-fi in it.

Comment by: Paula_X (May 14, 2010 18:44)

c'mon people.. of course the toaster oven doesn't need a blu drive or capability.,. going on previous behaviour it's only going to be about another year or two before it's replaced with the "next cash cow ripoff the existing customers" console.. and all 360 games in development will be scrapped. We have been here before....

Expect games to come on 16-30 gig sticks or cards.. or as "pay through your personal console locked account" which get locked forever to the one console the moment you plug it in or download..

the future of media is pure rental.. buy once and never be able to sell/swap/trade/lend/take to a friends house or transfer in any way..

only the customers can discourage this type of tactic.. by boycotting their products with any kind of restrictive drm.. but people won't take a stand will they?.. nah.. "must have now" sheep generation will let them steal our ownership rights away right under our noses even though we tell them it is happening... stupids.. lets all join the lodge so we can whine when it's happened ;)

Comment by: ffocus06 (May 14, 2010 21:02)

Originally posted by Paula_X:

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c'mon people.. of course the toaster oven doesn't need a blu drive or capability.,. going on previous behaviour it's only going to be about another year or two before it's replaced with the "next cash cow ripoff the existing customers" console.. and all 360 games in development will be scrapped. We have been here before....

Expect games to come on 16-30 gig sticks or cards.. or as "pay through your personal console locked account" which get locked forever to the one console the moment you plug it in or download..

the future of media is pure rental.. buy once and never be able to sell/swap/trade/lend/take to a friends house or transfer in any way..

only the customers can discourage this type of tactic.. by boycotting their products with any kind of restrictive drm.. but people won't take a stand will they?.. nah.. "must have now" sheep generation will let them steal our ownership rights away right under our noses even though we tell them it is happening... stupids.. lets all join the lodge so we can whine when it's happened ;)

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Toaster oven! lmao - seriously funny

But on another note, I hate drm stuff, if you own it why put this crap thing on there, makes no sense to me. Now if you are only "renting" it then that's another story.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 15, 2010 01:11)

Originally posted by ffocus06:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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That's something I would like to see but why make Live free/$8 a month when there's millions of users already paying the $60 a year? Of course I wouldn't mind it being only free/$8. A BR inside now that would be best, the only reason I bought a PS3 was to play BR movies. I only have three games for it, but about 65 movies. If they wanna keep customers happy and bring in new customers I say it's time to put a BR player in the 360. I would definitely buy another one then, I already have two and I paid for one when it first came out and got another after the arcade dropped to around $300. And if they do that they might as well but wi-fi in it.

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Well mainly because you'd get more people buying crap on live if you did not steal 5$ a month for them just to MP.

Comment by: Anonymous User (May 15, 2010 08:28)

Originally posted by alexmojo2:

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It wouldn't really matter either way if the Xbox 360 got an external blu-ray. The games still wouldn't be able to be on it, because not everyone would have one. It would only be used for movies. Unless they want to sell 2 versions of the game "blu-ray" and "DVD", then this discussion is rather worthless. The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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Does anybody remember the Nintendo 64 expansion slot you had to upgrade with to play the more powerful games?

Comment by: ffocus06 (May 15, 2010 16:03)

Originally posted by Dreamstate83:

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Originally posted by alexmojo2:

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It wouldn't really matter either way if the Xbox 360 got an external blu-ray. The games still wouldn't be able to be on it, because not everyone would have one. It would only be used for movies. Unless they want to sell 2 versions of the game "blu-ray" and "DVD", then this discussion is rather worthless. The next generation of the Xbox may have blu-ray if Sony gives them the right.

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Does anybody remember the Nintendo 64 expansion slot you had to upgrade with to play the more powerful games?

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Oh ya lol I remember! Pain in the ass! I mean easy to install, but what a rip off. I had the PS1 but I remember one of my friends that had the N64. I later bought that N64 from him with 15 games for like $50 bucks lol I still go it actually, along with all the older consoles!

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by ffocus06:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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AS I said befor it would be easy t put a BR player into new units and allow publishers to make HD/SD game releases,compilations and such. They can do this and make live free while making a better subscription level for 8$ a month.

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That's something I would like to see but why make Live free/$8 a month when there's millions of users already paying the $60 a year? Of course I wouldn't mind it being only free/$8. A BR inside now that would be best, the only reason I bought a PS3 was to play BR movies. I only have three games for it, but about 65 movies. If they wanna keep customers happy and bring in new customers I say it's time to put a BR player in the 360. I would definitely buy another one then, I already have two and I paid for one when it first came out and got another after the arcade dropped to around $300. And if they do that they might as well but wi-fi in it.

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Well mainly because you'd get more people buying crap on live if you did not steal 5$ a month for them just to MP.

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Ya I see what you mean.

Comment by: zain007 (Jun 23, 2010 21:26)

forget everything !!
USB will be the future! lol
All the game developers would sell their games inside new packed usb(s).Everytime you would want a game,a new usb. (which will be locked/protected).
REASON : Nowadays,when the games are under development,the developers and the engineers/animators face great problems in scaling down the details or sizes of the games.. so that they can easily fit into their respective target media.. e.g Blu-ray OR HD-DVD.
if the game would be produced at 13 GB,hah ! no need of burning a blu-ray disc! they'll prolly ship it with a 16 gb usb drive.
At that time(future), memory manufacturers will decrease their prices as because of increasing demand by companies ....! =)
And there goes my first ever post over this website ;) very helpful website though =)
guys!! feedback! :P

Comment by: Pop_Smith (Jun 23, 2010 22:42)

Originally posted by Dreamstate83:

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Does anybody remember the Nintendo 64 expansion slot you had to upgrade with to play the more powerful games?

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There is a difference between upgrading an optical drive and a expansion card. The 64 upgrade was easy and required almost no tools. They also included the expansion card with Donkey Kong 64, the first game that required it. Majora's Mask also required it but that was it.

Perfect Dark to advantage of it but didn't require it to play.

They could include an external Blu-Ray add-on, similar to the HD DVD add-on, with a game but it would have to be <$110 to be successful, in my opinion.

Since Microsoft didn't give the 360 S (slim) a Blu-Ray drive I don't see an add-on coming in the future.

Comment by: SEACRESTSLAYER (Jul 08, 2010 20:34)

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Yup, the 360 does not NEED bluray support, it does not even NEED to exist. Video games and movies are not NEEDed to begin with. Seems like they should at least let you use a USB bluray drive, but you don't NEED it, so screw you!

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your a edited for content idiot blu-ray is gorgeous and the ps3 slim is super sexy the 360 is only good for one thing and that's it's beautiful exclusives but the ps3 is a multi media power house and the world thanks sony for making it

Comment by: Oner (Jul 09, 2010 01:16)

Please refrain from insulting other members here on aD. Topic closed.

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