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Comment by: lxhotboy (Dec 04, 2009 07:49)

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Its never about making government more efficient, just expanding government and raising taxes.

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I couldn't agree more, especially with these liberals in office. Bush wasn't much better though. What we Americans need is a Ronald Reagan; a true republican that respects the constitution and our freedoms. What I can't wrap my head around with the current administration is how they blatantly tax the rich left and right. Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.

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please do the research. The reason the country is i. The situation economically today with thousands losing homes, jobs, the stock market dropping few years back, etc.. is because of an idiot named bush. Don't understand why the rich are being taxed? Wake up, bc they have been raping the rest of the country for years. I'm not saying a business owner should always receive higher taxes but when I get a bill in the mail from a hospital totaling $1000, I contact the hospital to let them know my insurance company needs to pay their share first, then I get a bill after my insurance pays but the hospital gives them a big 60 percent discount And they end up only having topay $400. Now people you don't have to be a genius to figure out that most of the Americans are middle class status so why are these insurance companies giving these rich multibillion dollars companies discounts instead of you and me? The answer to your question as to why a lot of these huge companies deserve to be taxed higher is bc they waste money. Just like AIG who borrowed all that money from the government, our tax dollars mind you, and then gave a number of employees bonuses.
Some of these bonuses were $400,000 to more than $1,000,000 per person. Now that is a hell of a bonus to be giving out when a company just filed bankrupt and got a loan from the government.

Second George bush is to blame bc 9-11-01 started a lot of this crap. Not saying we didnot already have problems but a lot of amercas current problems are runoffs of poor idiotic decisions bush made while in office. You really need to do the research and find the truth that bush was warned a month ahead that alqida was possibly planning an attack on us soil that involved hijacking of planes and he did nothing. Didn't put the country on alert, order an investigation or anything. Do the research to find out why Collin Powell resigned from his positio on bushes cabinent bc he didnot want his name associated with any mistakes bush made in his past. Powell wasnot alone as others resigned from bushes cabinent as well following the governments investigation to find out if bush had actually been warned of the impending 9-11 or not. Well the government found out that bush and condelleza rice both lied saying that had no idea when they had indeed been warned. The twin towers destruction, thousands who lost their lives and loved ones and the after shock that led to a war and this countries current status is on the head of George bush.

Ps .. For any disbelievers... Seriosly all jokes aside... If you want to discredit anything I posted here do the research and you will be shocked to find I am not posting my opinion. Our government did the research and investigation on 9-11 and it is not hard to find out the results after they interrogated bush and rice.

link on bush being warned before 9-11 happened
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/15/bush.sept.11/index.html

link on collin powell and others resigning
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/powell/index.html

copy of memorandum FBI gave bush warning of alquaidas threat to attack
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf

The actual video can be found all over the internet of the 9-11 investigation. Or just watch documentary, Farenheit 911, and then research more if still in disbelief.

Comment by: DXR88 (Dec 04, 2009 08:31)

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Its never about making government more efficient, just expanding government and raising taxes.

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I couldn't agree more, especially with these liberals in office. Bush wasn't much better though. What we Americans need is a Ronald Reagan; a true republican that respects the constitution and our freedoms. What I can't wrap my head around with the current administration is how they blatantly tax the rich left and right. Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.

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please do the research. The reason the country is i. The situation economically today with thousands losing homes, jobs, the stock market dropping few years back, etc.. is because of an idiot named bush. Don't understand why the rich are being taxed? Wake up, bc they have been raping the rest of the country for years. I'm not saying a business owner should always receive higher taxes but when I get a bill in the mail from a hospital totaling $1000, I contact the hospital to let them know my insurance company needs to pay their share first, then I get a bill after my insurance pays but the hospital gives them a big 60 percent discount And they end up only having topay $400. Now people you don't have to be a genius to figure out that most of the Americans are middle class status so why are these insurance companies giving these rich multibillion dollars companies discounts instead of you and me? The answer to your question as to why a lot of these huge companies deserve to be taxed higher is bc they waste money. Just like AIG who borrowed all that money from the government, our tax dollars mind you, and then gave a number of employees bonuses.
Some of these bonuses were $400,000 to more than $1,000,000 per person. Now that is a hell of a bonus to be giving out when a company just filed bankrupt and got a loan from the government.

Second George bush is to blame bc 9-11-01 started a lot of this crap. Not saying we didnot already have problems but a lot of amercas current problems are runoffs of poor idiotic decisions bush made while in office. You really need to do the research and find the truth that bush was warned a month ahead that alqida was possibly planning an attack on us soil that involved hijacking of planes and he did nothing. Didn't put the country on alert, order an investigation or anything. Do the research to find out why Collin Powell resigned from his positio on bushes cabinent bc he didnot want his name associated with any mistakes bush made in his past. Powell wasnot alone as others resigned from bushes cabinent as well following the governments investigation to find out if bush had actually been warned of the impending 9-11 or not. Well the government found out that bush and condelleza rice both lied saying that had no idea when they had indeed been warned. The twin towers destruction, thousands who lost their lives and loved ones and the after shock that led to a war and this countries current status is on the head of George bush.

Ps .. For any disbelievers... Seriosly all jokes aside... If you want to discredit anything I posted here do the research and you will be shocked to find I am not posting my opinion. Our government did the research and investigation on 9-11 and it is not hard to find out the results after they interrogated bush and rice.

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Don't put all the blame on bush this was going to happen sooner or later its happened before. the Market crash has nothing to do with the presidency it has to do with the Americans not providing for them selves. have you seen any real American goods made on American Soil?

Until the Americans Start Trading and stop whoring resources Nothing is going to change, if it were me i would do what Russia did cut off all trade to the world for a good 10 years. reorganize the country and start trade again only this time with the US as a supplier.

Russia Is a Truly resourceful Country, there military is a fine example.

As far as the US is Concerned we can no longer be called an industrial Country.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Dec 04, 2009 08:56)

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Its never about making government more efficient, just expanding government and raising taxes.

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I couldn't agree more, especially with these liberals in office. Bush wasn't much better though. What we Americans need is a Ronald Reagan; a true republican that respects the constitution and our freedoms. What I can't wrap my head around with the current administration is how they blatantly tax the rich left and right. Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.

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please do the research. The reason the country is i. The situation economically today with thousands losing homes, jobs, the stock market dropping few years back, etc.. is because of an idiot named bush. Don't understand why the rich are being taxed? Wake up, bc they have been raping the rest of the country for years. I'm not saying a business owner should always receive higher taxes but when I get a bill in the mail from a hospital totaling $1000, I contact the hospital to let them know my insurance company needs to pay their share first, then I get a bill after my insurance pays but the hospital gives them a big 60 percent discount And they end up only having topay $400. Now people you don't have to be a genius to figure out that most of the Americans are middle class status so why are these insurance companies giving these rich multibillion dollars companies discounts instead of you and me? The answer to your question as to why a lot of these huge companies deserve to be taxed higher is bc they waste money. Just like AIG who borrowed all that money from the government, our tax dollars mind you, and then gave a number of employees bonuses.
Some of these bonuses were $400,000 to more than $1,000,000 per person. Now that is a hell of a bonus to be giving out when a company just filed bankrupt and got a loan from the government.

Second George bush is to blame bc 9-11-01 started a lot of this crap. Not saying we didnot already have problems but a lot of amercas current problems are runoffs of poor idiotic decisions bush made while in office. You really need to do the research and find the truth that bush was warned a month ahead that alqida was possibly planning an attack on us soil that involved hijacking of planes and he did nothing. Didn't put the country on alert, order an investigation or anything. Do the research to find out why Collin Powell resigned from his positio on bushes cabinent bc he didnot want his name associated with any mistakes bush made in his past. Powell wasnot alone as others resigned from bushes cabinent as well following the governments investigation to find out if bush had actually been warned of the impending 9-11 or not. Well the government found out that bush and condelleza rice both lied saying that had no idea when they had indeed been warned. The twin towers destruction, thousands who lost their lives and loved ones and the after shock that led to a war and this countries current status is on the head of George bush.

Ps .. For any disbelievers... Seriosly all jokes aside... If you want to discredit anything I posted here do the research and you will be shocked to find I am not posting my opinion. Our government did the research and investigation on 9-11 and it is not hard to find out the results after they interrogated bush and rice.

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Don't put all the blame on bush this was going to happen sooner or later its happened before. the Market crash has nothing to do with the presidency it has to do with the Americans not providing for them selves. have you seen any real American goods made on American Soil?

Until the Americans Start Trading and stop whoring resources Nothing is going to change, if it were me i would do what Russia did cut off all trade to the world for a good 10 years. reorganize the country and start trade again only this time with the US as a supplier.

Russia Is a Truly resourceful Country, there military is a fine example.

As far as the US is Concerned we can no longer be called an industrial Country.

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I did say that the county already had problems. Look it is right above if you mind rereading. True americans do waste money i already made that point. Remember i posted about companies like AIG. That was not limited to just one company it is meant for companies, big, small and people in general. But as i stated about the Country in itsCURRENT CONDITION wouldnot be were it is at this time if 9-11 had been avoiding. I never said the market may not have crashed again years from now. You need to learn to comprehend what you read as your assumptions about my points didnot set in with you.

second my smart friend how bout you google and post some statistics on exactly how much this war has cost the country. Now the war was suppose to be over another country having nuclear weapons right? Or did bush just use saddam hussein as a vent to get the media attention off the fact that bin laden just made history on american soil and he was at fault. Smarty the 9-11 commission who did the investigation determined that bush and rice falsified information that led our country to even making a decision to start the war in iraq. You can find testimony and video from senators who even support that they were mislead into this war. DUhhh...Think i am giving and OPINION or making it up, do the research and post back. Seriously dont waste yourtime trying to prove me wrong thinking i am making all this crap up just b.c i may not like bush myself, your time would be better spent shelling peas. At least you would have made some positive progress and be able to enjoy something to eat afterward. LMAO

Here....Bin Laden Determined To Strike in U.S.,..."
this is a copy of the memorandum that President Bush was given by tow FBI agents approximately a month before 9-11 happened. Says at the end that they were up to some strange activities and stuff that would make you think they were planning something new for an attack.

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf pulled from http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...y_Briefing_Memo

@smarty DRX88 WHY DIDNOT BUSH PUT THE COUNTRY ON ALERT OR ORDER AN INVESTIGATION AT THAT TIME? When President Clinton was in office, he came to Grambling State University and spoke at a graduation. Everyone knew the President was coming but months before he came to speak white unmarked vans appeared all over the city. Just parked for no reasons. Had satellite dishes on top with dark windows and men dressed in the same attire. That was just things everyone in town noticed hell Technology for the government is a mutha. The fbi actually arrested a guy at my local walmart b/c they overheard him say something about the president they didnot like. He got in serious trouble. Had the president acted on the memorandum, remember they already knew a some of these guys and were keeping tabs on them, 9-11 may well have never happened.

Comment by: KillerBug (Dec 04, 2009 11:16)

A country without a government is not an Anarchy; at least not for more than the first few minutes. Once the old leaders are either dead, imprisoned, or otherwise removed from power, new leaders start to build their own governments. Even if this were not the case, corportations take up the tasks once belonging to the government; and a country run by corportations is called a Polyarchy.

The problems with the USA are much older than either of the Bushes (not to say that either did a good job). The demo-publican party has run the country since 1853, and have made a dictatorship out of the presidency. Granted, a term only lasts 4-8 years...and we get a choice of two bad candidates...but they are choosen by the men behind the curtains, and they do what the corportations (run by the men behind the curtain) tell them to do. It is a sad system, and many of the founding fathers would be called anarchists or even traitors for their views on the country as it is now.

Guns are bad...but you are not going to get rid of them, and the countries that take weapons from their citizens keep weapons for themselves. As long as guns are around, other guns will be needed to counter them...this sometimes sparks wars, but just as often prevents pointless invasions. I LOL when someone claims that gun prohibition prevents terrorism...imagine if you could bring guns on a plane; a handfull of terrorists would not have been able to cause 911 with a plane full of gun-toting passengers. If a terrorist wants to kill a bunch of people, they will use a bomb...it is cheaper and more effective than a gun, and you don't need to be in the middle of the firefight...you might even get away with it a few times if you were super-carefull and a bit lucky. On top of that, there is no 3-day-waiting-period to buy diesel fuel and fertilizer.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Dec 04, 2009 13:32)

I agree with the above post. At least by purchasing the PS3's the country has two positives. Hopefully the DOD will be able to better this countries defenses and second it would be a lot cheaper financially and save some money.

Comment by: cammobus (Dec 04, 2009 15:25)

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If you think that having a gun is freedom than you have some seriously *bleep* moral values. Anti-firearms laws were put in place in countries like Australia to stop horrific acts of terrorism, like the Port Arthur Massacre. Things like that are still happening in America. By your definition of freedom, imprisoning murderers and rapists is wrong.

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If guns were the problem why are there no horrific mass shootings @ Gun shows, in Gun Stores ... or places where lots of people are armed with loaded weapons ...

nope they all happen in "Gun Free Zones"

Penn and Teller Gun Control is Bullshit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8zhTV1QIIg

Comment by: cammobus (Dec 04, 2009 16:17)

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I don't see how Anarchy would be a bad thing but You're right about the guns.

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you have no problem with now rules and laws ...

you would enjoy living your Existence in Bartertown


dieing on the open road victim of some gang ....

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Dec 04, 2009 16:37)

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you have no problem with now rules and laws ...

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Until lobbying is a hanging offense I chose anarchy!

Comment by: DXR88 (Dec 04, 2009 18:56)

Panic, sloppy counterintelligence and for the most part its not the first time WTO was a target for terrorists. 1993 remember 6 people died that year too.

there is no doubt in my mind the government knew about the attack, but the government doesn't work on threats or assumptions. unless they have Facts or actual proof they can do nothing. and by the time they had the proof the destruction was already in the air. would your order jets to Shoot down those hijacked Airlines.

don't like bush, don't like any presidents, they are tools to the Highest Bidder. they don't run countries they run corruption and lies to all who will listen. they are Nutless men who would cower at the first site of any real crysis. they are Worthless.

Comment by: bam431 (Dec 04, 2009 21:34)

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you have no problem with now rules and laws ...

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I have no problem with no rules or laws. It's the rules and laws that start most of the trouble in the first place. There will still be jerks who kill and steal from other people but we have that now even with rules and laws.

Comment by: xnonsuchx (Dec 04, 2009 23:35)

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Seriously. You can't believe the government is SAVING money by buying toys to build a Supercomputer?
Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?

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I wasn't aware Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu and others were "non-standard Linux"...what are you smoking? ;-) And yes, it DOES end up being a lot less expensive.

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No thanks! I don't smoke (anything). That still doesn't answer what "non-standard Linux" means. However, I have often wished I were Canadian too instead of a US citizen (esp. from 2001-2008).

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Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?

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I wasn't aware Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu and others were "non-standard Linux"...what are you smoking? ;-) And yes, it DOES end up being a lot less expensive.

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I may be smoken weed up here in Canada (the free-est country in the world- just ask my beaver). But I doubt the DoD is using Ubuntu on PS3's to save a few bucks while your boys are depending on that data to find Bin Laden. Toke?

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No thanks! I don't smoke (anything). That still doesn't answer what "non-standard Linux" means. However, I have often wished I were Canadian too instead of a US citizen (esp. from 2001-2008).

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I wanna see if this goes anywhere.

Oh Canada, Our home and native land...

Comment by: joepet200 (Dec 05, 2009 03:50)

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Seriously. You can't believe the government is SAVING money by buying toys to build a Supercomputer?
Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?

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I wasn't aware Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu and others were "non-standard Linux"...what are you smoking? ;-) And yes, it DOES end up being a lot less expensive.

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I may be smoken weed up here in Canada (the free-est country in the world- just ask my beaver). But I doubt the DoD is using Ubuntu on PS3's to save a few bucks while your boys are depending on that data to find Bin Laden. Toke?

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No thanks! I don't smoke (anything). That still doesn't answer what "non-standard Linux" means. However, I have often wished I were Canadian too instead of a US citizen (esp. from 2001-2008).

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I wanna see if this goes anywhere.

Oh Canada, Our home and native land...

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True patriot love in all thy sons command.

Oh I'm a lumberjack and I'm O.KAYYYYY
I work all night and I sing all dayyyyy.

How's it goin' eh?

Comment by: chris4160 (Dec 05, 2009 05:14)

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If you think that having a gun is freedom than you have some seriously *bleep* moral values. Anti-firearms laws were put in place in countries like Australia to stop horrific acts of terrorism, like the Port Arthur Massacre. Things like that are still happening in America. By your definition of freedom, imprisoning murderers and rapists is wrong.

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If guns were the problem why are there no horrific mass shootings @ Gun shows, in Gun Stores ... or places where lots of people are armed with loaded weapons ...

nope they all happen in "Gun Free Zones"

Penn and Teller Gun Control is Bullshit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8zhTV1QIIg

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But if there was anti-firearm laws then those killings in "Gun Free Zones" might not have happened. It's just too easy to get your hands on a gun. Yes, they probably would find an alternative to a gun, but I doubt they would do as much damage. Take Australia for example, the enthusiasts can still get guns, but they need extensive licenses and background checks.

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I LOL when someone claims that gun prohibition prevents terrorism...imagine if you could bring guns on a plane; a handfull of terrorists would not have been able to cause 911 with a plane full of gun-toting passengers.

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That may be so, but how many other innocent civillians would be killed and how many more planes hijacked if everybody was walking around with an itchy trigger finger and a loaded gun?

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Meh gay can be fun

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LOL, coming out of the closet, eh?

Comment by: KillerBug (Dec 05, 2009 08:47)

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That may be so, but how many other innocent civillians would be killed and how many more planes hijacked if everybody was walking around with an itchy trigger finger and a loaded gun?

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Probably very few if any. If a criminal wants a gun, he will get it, even if there is a weapons embargo on the entire country for everyone including the military. This has become the case in many war-torn nations, and rule is by the few with the brutality and luck to get a gun.

In most of the countries where there are a lot of terrorist attacks, guns are commonplace...the AK47 is far more common than the iPod. No one shows up to a crowded place full of people with AK47's to attempt a shooting spree; no matter how many virgins they have been promised...they can get more kills with a bomb, and getting blown up is a lot less painfull that bleeding to death from gunshot wounds.

One last thing...guns are relativly new to human history, but terrorism and violence go back further than recorded history. Some of the events commited with dull, heavy swords are far more horrific than anything in Irag, Afghanistan, or any of the dictatorships in Africa. We live in technologicaly advanced era where home video games are so powerfull that they can be used as weapons...but humans are still the same as they have been for at least the last 15,000 years. Guns get a bad name because they are seen as killing people, but they are just tools. You can kill a person with a piece of rope, a hammer, a carpet knife, a book, or just about anything. If you want an idea of how far this goes in a gun-free society, just look at the shank collection of any prison...they make knives from tooth brushes!

If we had no guns, we would be disputing making crossbows illigal, if not crossbows, then swords, slignshots, or spears. This happened in Japan...there was a time when only troops were allowed to carry swords, or even long knives.

The fact is that there will always be people who try to gain power through lies, and there will always be people who try to gain power by using force. The first group will try to take weapons from the populous, and the second group will stockpile weapons for themselves.

Comment by: chris4160 (Dec 05, 2009 09:08)

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That may be so, but how many other innocent civillians would be killed and how many more planes hijacked if everybody was walking around with an itchy trigger finger and a loaded gun?

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Probably very few if any. If a criminal wants a gun, he will get it, even if there is a weapons embargo on the entire country for everyone including the military. This has become the case in many war-torn nations, and rule is by the few with the brutality and luck to get a gun.

In most of the countries where there are a lot of terrorist attacks, guns are commonplace...the AK47 is far more common than the iPod. No one shows up to a crowded place full of people with AK47's to attempt a shooting spree; no matter how many virgins they have been promised...they can get more kills with a bomb, and getting blown up is a lot less painfull that bleeding to death from gunshot wounds.

One last thing...guns are relativly new to human history, but terrorism and violence go back further than recorded history. Some of the events commited with dull, heavy swords are far more horrific than anything in Irag, Afghanistan, or any of the dictatorships in Africa. We live in technologicaly advanced era where home video games are so powerfull that they can be used as weapons...but humans are still the same as they have been for at least the last 15,000 years. Guns get a bad name because they are seen as killing people, but they are just tools. You can kill a person with a piece of rope, a hammer, a carpet knife, a book, or just about anything. If you want an idea of how far this goes in a gun-free society, just look at the shank collection of any prison...they make knives from tooth brushes!

If we had no guns, we would be disputing making crossbows illigal, if not crossbows, then swords, slignshots, or spears. This happened in Japan...there was a time when only troops were allowed to carry swords, or even long knives.

The fact is that there will always be people who try to gain power through lies, and there will always be people who try to gain power by using force. The first group will try to take weapons from the populous, and the second group will stockpile weapons for themselves.

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Yes, but criminals and terrorists aren't really the point, there will always be ways for them to get guns no matter how many laws there are. The point is if there were anti-firearm laws people that are just depressed or deranged would not easily be able to go on mass killing spree's, like the Virginia Tech massacre.

The bottom line is that more people will die as a result of guns in a country with out firearms control than a country with strict anti-firearm laws.

Comment by: creaky (Dec 05, 2009 12:35)

That last post of your was right on the mark KillerBug.

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Comment by: ZippyDSM (Dec 05, 2009 14:04)

Originally posted by chris4160:

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If you think that having a gun is freedom than you have some seriously *bleep* moral values. Anti-firearms laws were put in place in countries like Australia to stop horrific acts of terrorism, like the Port Arthur Massacre. Things like that are still happening in America. By your definition of freedom, imprisoning murderers and rapists is wrong.

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If guns were the problem why are there no horrific mass shootings @ Gun shows, in Gun Stores ... or places where lots of people are armed with loaded weapons ...

nope they all happen in "Gun Free Zones"

Penn and Teller Gun Control is Bullshit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8zhTV1QIIg

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But if there was anti-firearm laws then those killings in "Gun Free Zones" might not have happened. It's just too easy to get your hands on a gun. Yes, they probably would find an alternative to a gun, but I doubt they would do as much damage. Take Australia for example, the enthusiasts can still get guns, but they need extensive licenses and background checks.

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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I LOL when someone claims that gun prohibition prevents terrorism...imagine if you could bring guns on a plane; a handfull of terrorists would not have been able to cause 911 with a plane full of gun-toting passengers.

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That may be so, but how many other innocent civillians would be killed and how many more planes hijacked if everybody was walking around with an itchy trigger finger and a loaded gun?

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Meh gay can be fun

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LOL, coming out of the closet, eh?

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Not really, teh chicks dig ambiguous things ^_~

Comment by: filemang (Dec 05, 2009 18:59)

Those of you who are saying that 2nd amendment rights are not deserved are full of shit. As for the countries that have banned guns, do your research. Those countries have more violent crime such as murders,rapes & robberies over quadrupled. Without the right to have a gun you are a sitting duck. When guns are outlawed only the outlaws will have them. We don't need more gun laws, we the ones we have enforced. The thugs and Gangstas and gangsta wannabes have the guns and they don't abide by the laws we have. Banning guns is not the answer.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Dec 05, 2009 20:30)

Originally posted by filemang:

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Those of you who are saying that 2nd amendment rights are not deserved are full of shit. As for the countries that have banned guns, do your research. Those countries have more violent crime such as murders,rapes & robberies over quadrupled. Without the right to have a gun you are a sitting duck. When guns are outlawed only the outlaws will have them. We don't need more gun laws, we the ones we have enforced. The thugs and Gangstas and gangsta wannabes have the guns and they don't abide by the laws we have. Banning guns is not the answer.

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Very true in most places guns were removed or highly restricted crime got worse.

Also we don't need most gun laws in the US, we have to many and things are to complicated, you can not be proactive with everything better faster permit approval fining people for non lethal misuse of weapons and criminalizing/sueing for lethal misuse of weapons are things we need to do not ban it and restrict it so people think they are being protected when they are not.

With this nanny agenda I wonder when cars will be banned they harm and kill far more people than weapons do....

Comment by: bam431 (Dec 05, 2009 21:43)

Originally posted by filemang:

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With this nanny agenda I wonder when cars will be banned they harm and kill far more people than weapons do....

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Guns are made to kill things cars aren't.

Comment by: Oner (Dec 05, 2009 22:18)

Originally posted by bam431:

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Originally posted by filemang:

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With this nanny agenda I wonder when cars will be banned they harm and kill far more people than weapons do....

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Guns are made to kill things cars aren't.

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And BOTH are tools controlled by the person using them...plus cars are used for crimes and killing as well.

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Comment by: filemang (Dec 05, 2009 22:28)

bam431 yes guns are meant to kill. But cars kill more people than bullets everyday. At least I know my family is safe. They are all gun owning,permit holding,gun toting, God loving and god fearing people. My wife has intervened on 2 robberies & took out the would be robbers. Both my daughters have taken out would be intruders. One was a known rapist. If you want to keep living the I am safe lie, only people like you are goin to believe it. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. So I carry a gun because I refuse to outsource my families safety.

Comment by: bam431 (Dec 05, 2009 23:26)

Originally posted by filemang:

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bam431 yes guns are meant to kill. But cars kill more people than bullets everyday. At least I know my family is safe. They are all gun owning,permit holding,gun toting, God loving and god fearing people. My wife has intervened on 2 robberies & took out the would be robbers. Both my daughters have taken out would be intruders. One was a known rapist. If you want to keep living the I am safe lie, only people like you are goin to believe it. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. So I carry a gun because I refuse to outsource my families safety.

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Well where just different people with different ideals. Like you said your family are all "gun owning,permit holding,gun toting, God loving and god fearing people." and I'm not but everyone has a right to there opinion. Mine being a gun is a machine solely made for killing where as a car is normally used for transportation, but like anything else can be misused.

Comment by: filemang (Dec 05, 2009 23:51)

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Originally posted by filemang:

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bam431 yes guns are meant to kill. But cars kill more people than bullets everyday. At least I know my family is safe. They are all gun owning,permit holding,gun toting, God loving and god fearing people. My wife has intervened on 2 robberies & took out the would be robbers. Both my daughters have taken out would be intruders. One was a known rapist. If you want to keep living the I am safe lie, only people like you are goin to believe it. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. So I carry a gun because I refuse to outsource my families safety.

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Well where just different people with different ideals. Like you said your family are all "gun owning,permit holding,gun toting, God loving and god fearing people." and I'm not but everyone has a right to there opinion. Mine being a gun is a machine solely made for killing where as a car is normally used for transportation, but like anything else can be misused.

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Bam I think I have to agree with us being different type people. We do agree on a couple of points though. A car is a transportation vehicle. They are constantly misused. I have misused things as simple as a pen. Yet I can't blame the pen for mispelled words. Guns are a vehicle of sorts as well. They are the vehicle used to make being a hunter & gatherer easier. Just simply each thing you find in a home can be misused as a weapon. It just depends on how deep someone wants to delve into something.