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Comment by: glassd (Nov 12, 2009 20:06)

Originally posted by JRude:

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How ignorant can ya get...ya DON'T go to WB, Universal, Sony or any other studio site to play pirated movies! Why in the world would ya go to MS to play modded consoles & games!? DOH! No cure for stooopid. (p.s. you're not that slick)

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Buying another console to replace the one that got banned!
Modding it later on because someone says that they have a undetectable hack for it!

Comment by: tone666 (Nov 12, 2009 20:08)

donkeys need not apply..good god mate relax.
I wanted some advice...not rants or insults.
Slick? oh man.... ha ha ha

Comment by: Nechen (Nov 12, 2009 20:21)

I'm curious as to how they "Ban" a console from XBL?

-Ban the MAC ID registered to said console, just as any PC has a NIC and a unique MAC ID so do these XBOX's ... if thats the case its extremely easy to spoof a MAC ID

-Ban the XBL Account (This seems like a no-brainer, sure you lose your e-peen gamerscore but you can just buy a 3mo. card at Wal-Mart)

-Somehow ban the console based on the Hardware you have in it, if this is the case can't you just buy another Xbox-DVD Drive from a 3rd party site?

I can't really find any logic as to how they're banning consoles, I could care less about how they tracked these 1 million peeps - I'd also give it a week or two until we hear about legit unmodded consoles getting banned, just like that fiasco with Vista not too long ago where the Pirates Vista(s) didn't get banned lol.

Comment by: glassd (Nov 12, 2009 20:41)

Originally posted by tone666:

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donkeys need not apply..good god mate relax.
I wanted some advice...not rants or insults.
Slick? oh man.... ha ha ha

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If your modded xbox was ever connected to the internet, there is a good chance that you broken xbox and gamer tag is banned. Not your friends xbox that you log onto live through. His stuff will be fine.

Comment by: TBandit (Nov 12, 2009 22:57)

Originally posted by tatsh:

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Hey Microsoft, you missed!

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LMFAO

yeah i was debating on gettin a second console just to mod it but going on live is too far especially if you think your going to get away with it for a while

Comment by: g_slide (Nov 12, 2009 23:13)

Originally posted by Nechen:

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I'm curious as to how they "Ban" a console from XBL?

-Ban the MAC ID registered to said console, just as any PC has a NIC and a unique MAC ID so do these XBOX's ... if thats the case its extremely easy to spoof a MAC ID

-Ban the XBL Account (This seems like a no-brainer, sure you lose your e-peen gamerscore but you can just buy a 3mo. card at Wal-Mart)

-Somehow ban the console based on the Hardware you have in it, if this is the case can't you just buy another Xbox-DVD Drive from a 3rd party site?

I can't really find any logic as to how they're banning consoles, I could care less about how they tracked these 1 million peeps - I'd also give it a week or two until we hear about legit unmodded consoles getting banned, just like that fiasco with Vista not too long ago where the Pirates Vista(s) didn't get banned lol.

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It's most likely based off of your Console ID # and maybe even Serial ID #. You can find both of those information on the back of your xbox and on the dashboard under "System Info". That's why you can take your HD and put it onto another xbox and not get banned and recover your gamertag on another xbox system.

Comment by: g_slide (Nov 12, 2009 23:17)

Originally posted by Amos357:

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Anyone think M$ is monitoring these forums to see how these mods and flashes are being done? I'm just saying if they banned 1 million people, who's to say they don't have the time or resources to monitor what's being said in these forum threads. Just unplug all your modded consoles from XBL until after the holiday season. Wait the enemy out! Let's see who makes a real profit. Don't buy any games, accessories, points cards, etc and don't log on to XBL. It's like the credit industry, stop using these banks money and they will eventually collapse. From what I've read all you guys seem to be very intelligent, just have patience. We are just the little Davids fighting the conglomerate M$...

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Ever since the ban happened on 10/30 of this year, I've been saying that M$ probably have been watching these forums, and youtube has people showing how to mod consoles too. So they know all about this stuff, they take it back to their engineers to figure out what is being run, how to hack their own product, and how to trace this hack so they can ban us. We are to blame because we openly discuss so much about it and give information to everyone, and the person on the other end asking how to mod their console are M$ employees themselves or company they hired to track this.

I've been banned on 2 elites since 11/6, but I just bought a arcade at WM on sale for $100 bucks and now I use my elite for backups and the arcade for online. It's not a big deal for me, I can still play both.

Comment by: mjpower4 (Nov 13, 2009 00:20)

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My dads 360 got banned n its stoped him from downloading games to the hard drive, lost his gamer score when he puts his gammer tag on a none flashed 360 and wont show up any copyed games or achievments hes played. Allso i went in a game shop today and the guy said theres speculation that when a new origional game like "CODMW2" is played on a flashed 360, the 360 shuts down and is a useless lump of plastick and metal just like when a phone is stolen and you phone up the operator to shut it down. I also have a flashed 360 and cant bare to plug it into a network cable to find out weather they fuck my 360 elite up, what needs to be done is to find some 1 who no's whats going on inside microsoft so we cant find a way around this crap. I personally am trying to dig around on the internet to find out whats gone on and hopefully find away round this :-(.

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What needs to be done is you LEARNING YOUR LESSON! Now go out and earn and pay for stuff!

How many times did you get slapped as a kid for doing the same wrong over and over huh? 5 or 6?

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pity no one can pop round and slap you daft you muppet - mind you it wouldn't take much

Comment by: Nechen (Nov 13, 2009 00:28)

Interesting

If they're banning off a Console ID or Serial Number then I wonder if theres any possibility of being able to spoof this in any way?

Kind of like a basic KeyGen or MAC Spoofer

Comment by: jhunter (Nov 13, 2009 03:26)

i too have been banned and from what im hearing is that there is something in the works to unban them.......BUT dont you guys it would be a good idea to not to try to post it up on the internet so our good friends at micro$oft pretty much runs all of the computer industry? its like putting an ad on craigslist that you're selling weed or you're growing it. there has to be another way if that person does figure it out to share the wealth. personally right now im saying screw microsoft and xbox. i have find it pretty peculiar that the same week they have the "big ban" they also have the nice deal at walmart for buying a 360 arcade and get a $100 gift card...

Comment by: samshizze (Nov 13, 2009 03:27)

Ok I can understand Microsoft's position on piracy. But they got a lot of nerve considering how many people they screwed with their first attempts at the 360. Every person I know who bought one on release had the RROD, and many of them weren't able to get reimbursed even after their "extended warranty". Thankfully I bought a PS3 instead.

Comment by: three_nil (Nov 13, 2009 13:30)

If it wasn't about the money, why has M$ not fixed the RROD problem? How much do they make off this every year from people whose console's warranties have ran out and either pay to have it fixed or buy another console?

Comment by: three_nil (Nov 13, 2009 13:36)

Originally posted by three_nil:

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Personaly, I think this is less about piracy, and more about Microsoft sales. When they ban a unit, both the console and the account are banned. A new 360 costs $300, and a year of Live costs another $60...so every time they ban a loyal customer, they come back and give microsoft another $360. If this was not the case, they would simply fix the issue, rather than letting piracy continue, and banning users from time to time.

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I agree 100% because if it wasn't about sales, then M$ would have WI-FI built in the new 360's!!! Instead, you have to buy a $100 dollar accessory to get WI-FI! Also, what M$ don't realize if it wasn't for the modded consoles, I, and some others that I personally know, wouldn't of bought an X-BOX in the first place!! We would of stuck with PS3, which has built in WI-FI and free online play!!! Yes, I do have backups because I have a 9,8, and 2 year old in my house!

Comment by: adre02 (Nov 13, 2009 21:18)

Hmmmm, I wonder what would happen if those 20 million people never renewed their memberships...hmmmmm

Comment by: Phoenix09 (Nov 13, 2009 22:54)

Mmm Conspiracy. First off, you do not need a $300 360 to replace it, just a $200 one, move your HDD over. Second off, the whole crap about the RRoD consoles being removed? WTF. They were repaired and sent back (maybe not to the same owner, but sent back out) there was no NEW consoles sent out and if there was they wouldnt have counted towards NPD's tracking of the consoles sales. The amount of 360 sold and more then likely installed are pretty damn close. Third Sony has paid time after time for exclusives. You can keep thinking Sony is clean, but they aren't. It is the way it goes in the gaming world.

This whole thing has to do with Piracy and console modding. MS makes more on game royalties then they do on the consoles themselves. They lose too much money from pirates. People QQing that they have to pay more for a game, or that they cannot get the game in their regions.. then get a console out of your region and order the games from the web. There is no reason to pirate them. Also the ones that say the majority of people use modded boxes to play backup of games they own. Stop lying, no one believes you. If you do honestly do that, you are in the smallest of precentiles.

I am happy MS finally did something about the cheats and hackers out there. I was sick and tired of having guys cheating in games. (also the reason I do not play PC games online much)

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Personaly, I think this is less about piracy, and more about Microsoft sales. When they ban a unit, both the console and the account are banned. A new 360 costs $300, and a year of Live costs another $60...so every time they ban a loyal customer, they come back and give microsoft another $360. If this was not the case, they would simply fix the issue, rather than letting piracy continue, and banning users from time to time.

Plus, selling more systems makes them appear to have a larger market share. They never removedd the millions of RROD units that they removed from service, nor the units that failed without going back to microsoft. I'm sure they also will not remove the banned units from their official count of xbox360 consoles in use...and this number is a big help when trying to convince a publisher to make a game for a technicaly inferior console that costs more than it's competition...Sony does not have to pay developers $50,000,000 to keep their exclusives exclusive; Microsoft has to spend this much just to keep a couple of DLCs exclusive!

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Comment by: Phoenix09 (Nov 13, 2009 23:02)

I have 2 children and 150 retail 360 games and 50 retail PS3 games. None are damaged. You need to teach your kids how to take care of things or lose them. All you are teaching them right now is that its okay to steal and that damaging their own property doesn't have repercussions.

To the guy crying about the wireless adapter... do you really play wirelessly? Well, I have my PS3 hardlined and I wish I could hardline my Wii. Wireless tech is still meh for gaming.. it works, but hardline is a better way to go. having kids in your house is no reason legally or otherwise to pirate. try and justify it all you want, its wrong and takes money from the poor bastards who make the games for us.

As for people not getting their 360's fixed or reimbursed for repair of the RRoD... thats a load crap, all you had to do was call and you were taken care of.. unless of course they had cracked their 360's then their warranty was void regardless.

Originally posted by Ize:

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LissenUp ,

Do you have kids? Ever have expensive gear broken?

I just bought a few games, I play the origs, my kids play the backups on their 360, they leave the disks on the ground, they use the disks to slide around on the carpet. They ruin the disks. Why in hell would I be forced to go buy another copy of the disk when I can create use backups of my disks?

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Comment by: Nechen (Nov 14, 2009 11:13)

1.) I've got a handful of 360 games that I keep in their cases at all times *gasp what a concept* and while I can understand the whole "I need to backup because the game might break arguement" I still can't understand why people think if bothering to say it on a forum will change anything.

2.) You can do whatever the hell you want with your Xbox, you do however have to follow the rules of their online services. Just as Blizzard was the company you bought Warcraft 3 on they too owned Battle.net - Hence, if you were caught hacking they banned your CD Key forcing you to buy another one and if you pirated the game, the Key you got from a Keygen was auto-rejected from their servers

3.) How come no one's managed to find a fix past this? We've pretty much narrowed it down that they're either banning based on MAC ID/Xbox Serial ID/Something based on the DVD Drive...lets get to it people!

Comment by: three_nil (Nov 14, 2009 13:04)

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I have 2 children and 150 retail 360 games and 50 retail PS3 games. None are damaged. You need to teach your kids how to take care of things or lose them. All you are teaching them right now is that its okay to steal and that damaging their own property doesn't have repercussions.

To the guy crying about the wireless adapter... do you really play wirelessly? Well, I have my PS3 hardlined and I wish I could hardline my Wii. Wireless tech is still meh for gaming.. it works, but hardline is a better way to go. having kids in your house is no reason legally or otherwise to pirate. try and justify it all you want, its wrong and takes money from the poor bastards who make the games for us.

As for people not getting their 360's fixed or reimbursed for repair of the RRoD... thats a load crap, all you had to do was call and you were taken care of.. unless of course they had cracked their 360's then their warranty was void regardless.

Originally posted by Ize:

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LissenUp ,

Do you have kids? Ever have expensive gear broken?

I just bought a few games, I play the origs, my kids play the backups on their 360, they leave the disks on the ground, they use the disks to slide around on the carpet. They ruin the disks. Why in hell would I be forced to go buy another copy of the disk when I can create use backups of my disks?

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Why aren't you the parent of the century!!! Not everyone believes in beating their kids to teach them how to take care the games!!! And furthermore, not every kid might be their own in the household!! The kids might just be of their significant other and don't feel right punishing them out of respect of their parent and their loved one!!! Because most kids, if they aren't yours, you might as well yell at the wall than correct them!!

Also, if M$ was really worried about piracy, either put key codes that could only be used with the originals, or go blue ray where it cost the same for 2 blank disc as it does for 20 blank dvd dl!!!

Comment by: fordsrule (Nov 14, 2009 15:07)

Originally posted by Nechen:

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I'm curious as to how they "Ban" a console from XBL?

-Ban the MAC ID registered to said console, just as any PC has a NIC and a unique MAC ID so do these XBOX's ... if thats the case its extremely easy to spoof a MAC ID

-Ban the XBL Account (This seems like a no-brainer, sure you lose your e-peen gamerscore but you can just buy a 3mo. card at Wal-Mart)

-Somehow ban the console based on the Hardware you have in it, if this is the case can't you just buy another Xbox-DVD Drive from a 3rd party site?

I can't really find any logic as to how they're banning consoles, I could care less about how they tracked these 1 million peeps - I'd also give it a week or two until we hear about legit unmodded consoles getting banned, just like that fiasco with Vista not too long ago where the Pirates Vista(s) didn't get banned lol.

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lol i always watch these forums and stuff its always interesting seeing people running around wondering how this works etc its even more interesting and fun when u know the answer

so im giving a answer to a question as its a rare question and one most people can never answer

how they ban a xbox

in your xbox is a motherboard as we know with bios and chipsets and cpu and gpu etc on it
in there is a code
a code separating xboxs alike
its the XBL (xbox live) code
cant be changed believe me ive been trying
when u see it
thats what its called
xbox live code #xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
something like that except not so many x's lol
ur xbl code is one of a kind
idk how they set it or where it lives exactly on the motherboard but i do know its there
and as u said serial numbers etc
but i do know how to change those
because i know were they are

and now to answer other questions while im at it

if u read the agreements to your xbox you will find its "illegal" to modify it...true
u agree to these terms when u use the xbox...true
when u purchase em you agree to terms to
such as i will not illegally modify the xbox...also true
so by modding the firmware in your dvd drive thats a illegal modification...true
hot wiring the motherboard to not check the discs originality...also illegal modification
chipping the dvd drive to not check also illegal

but doing that u break the terms of use
something every company does have...terms of use
yes u do buy it and own

but they created it to be used in a specific way
they don't want idiots messing with it

if you created something amazing lets say a xspxz 3000 gaming console
u wouldn't want people modding it they are ruining your hard work...yes ?

i know i wouldn't want idiots messing with it
terms of use they are there for a reason

now just in-case i get asked
how can they tell if its modded
as far as i can tell they just must basically run a hash check against the original dvd firmware against the current

thats just a educated guess idk for true but it would have to be something along those lines to be simple and possible while the xbox works so it aint noticed

Comment by: scum101 (Nov 14, 2009 15:12)

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as far as i can tell they just must basically run a hash check against the original dvd firmware against the current

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nope.. good guess tho.. keep trying XD

Comment by: fordsrule (Nov 15, 2009 11:42)

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as far as i can tell they just must basically run a hash check against the original dvd firmware against the current

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nope.. good guess tho.. keep trying XD

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well then how do they do it then since somehow u act like u know ?

Comment by: SoulGLOW (Nov 16, 2009 06:21)

what the hell?! Do you run the accounting dept for Bungie or somethin?
Games on PC have always and still do allow for multiple application to different systems. So your gettin on this dudes ass is uncalled for. Once again the only thing that matters is the legal definition of piracy. If you own a real copy and you arent selling your backups it isnt piracy. Period. So go pound that sand up someone else's ass...namely yours.

As for him saying that systems and accounts are banned did u stop to consider that maybe... JUST maybe that was what he experienced. And yes it would be his fault. My point is you obviously just like to stir shit up. Your like those kids i wised up to in school. Intsead of fighting the one i was mad at i ended up turning on those egging it on.
Dont instigate. It pisses everyone off. Maybe you could go and spend that money you normally spend increasing your massively exaggerated 200 plus game collection on some education into the topic of law or better yet some Miss Manners classes. I kid of course knowing full well that you obviously have the money to do whatever you want and then pay someone to fix your mistakes. You're probably the same one crying like a little girl when you get yourself into a tough situation begging for someone to help you even though you pushed the situation to that point. Grow up.

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I have 2 children and 150 retail 360 games and 50 retail PS3 games. None are damaged. You need to teach your kids how to take care of things or lose them. All you are teaching them right now is that its okay to steal and that damaging their own property doesn't have repercussions.

To the guy crying about the wireless adapter... do you really play wirelessly? Well, I have my PS3 hardlined and I wish I could hardline my Wii. Wireless tech is still meh for gaming.. it works, but hardline is a better way to go. having kids in your house is no reason legally or otherwise to pirate. try and justify it all you want, its wrong and takes money from the poor bastards who make the games for us.

As for people not getting their 360's fixed or reimbursed for repair of the RRoD... thats a load crap, all you had to do was call and you were taken care of.. unless of course they had cracked their 360's then their warranty was void regardless.

Originally posted by Ize:

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LissenUp ,

Do you have kids? Ever have expensive gear broken?

I just bought a few games, I play the origs, my kids play the backups on their 360, they leave the disks on the ground, they use the disks to slide around on the carpet. They ruin the disks. Why in hell would I be forced to go buy another copy of the disk when I can create use backups of my disks?

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Comment by: coscare (Nov 18, 2009 15:51)

I have a modded xbox 360 that i dont want to get banned from and a normal xbox 360 that is connected to live and i was wondering since there is an option on the modded xbox to save an actual legit game to the hard drive and play it from there, can you save a game on to a hard drive from a modded xbox then transfer the hard drive to an unmodded xbox and play that game? if so would xbox live work?

Comment by: scum101 (Nov 18, 2009 15:58)

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as far as i can tell they just must basically run a hash check against the original dvd firmware against the current

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nope.. good guess tho.. keep trying XD

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well then how do they do it then since somehow u act like u know ?

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I do know.. but it's an industrial secret.

xmas is coming.. M$ want a bigger turkey :) or just maybe Bill wants to buy another lump of Africa.. interesting timing really. I do love the way they are not banning all the detected consoles. That's crafty.

Comment by: nialeon (Nov 18, 2009 16:50)

Originally posted by scum101:

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as far as i can tell they just must basically run a hash check against the original dvd firmware against the current

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nope.. good guess tho.. keep trying XD

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well then how do they do it then since somehow u act like u know ?

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I do know.. but it's an industrial secret.

xmas is coming.. M$ want a bigger turkey :) or just maybe Bill wants to buy another lump of Africa.. interesting timing really. I do love the way they are not banning all the detected consoles. That's crafty.

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I do know.. but it's an industrial secret.,,,,
For christ sake thats like saying you know how to put the fig inside the figroll!!(only Irish readers might get that)!!
Your another claiming your in the trade!!!jesus its like 9/11 all over!!who done it? why did they do it? will they do it again..?.Who gives a toss how they done it!!! what we do care about is....Will we be on Xbox live again with modded console's..Well I can tell Ya SCUM101 WE WILL..AND GUESS WHAT IT WONT BE A TRADE SECRET.