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DVDBack23 @ Oct 13, 2008 15:43 | 45 comments

Sony Computer Entertainment president Kaz Hirai has restated that hopeful gamers will not see a PlayStation 3 price cut this year and that the console is a "very good value proposition".

"The answer is yes, if you're asking, 'Are these the prices we're going with this Christmas?'" Hirai added. "When you really compare apples to apples, then I think we have a very good value proposition."

Sony's decision to not cut the price of their console for the holiday season could put them under pressure from Microsoft which has recently cut the price across the board for their rival Xbox 360 console. The current global economic downturn could also put added pressure on Sony.

Hirai believes the videogame market will do just fine even with the economic downturn. "As long as we can generate excitement, then we will be less affected than other industries," he said but also added, "we're getting to the point where price becomes more important".

Without dropping the price however, Sony has added more value to its PS3 line by selling an 80GB model with a free game for the same price as the currently priced 40GB model.

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Comment by: spamual (Oct 14, 2008 10:36)

Quote:
Originally posted by spamual:
well i say core from the 360 but call it what ever, HDDs cost nowt these days, include a 40GB one, keep wifi, reduce USBs, take out bluetooth, other more unneccesacery things, wait for thr 45nm chips to kick in, and get to £225, and they will be lapping up sales.
The controllers operate via bluetooth, so getting rid of it probably isn't a good idea ^.^' And you would be surprised how many usb ports you will need to use; 4 isn't enough some of the time and I don't want to get a hub and risk overloading the port and frying one of the usb's.

There isn't too much more they can cut off of the 40gig which a lot of people didn't want, which is why they gave it the axe in favor of an almost identical one but with a 160gb hdd. I saw a 40gig for the first time a few weeks ago at best buy out of the box and imo it looked very cheaply made compared to my 60gig and its fit and finish was an immediate turnoff.

yeah after i wrote that i thought about that aswell LOOL!

its true they have cut it down alot tbh, this is the core vs the 60GB.

maybe they should wait for the 45nm chips to start coming out, then use them and reduce the price of this core, and at the £300 price pull out an 80GB full fat version (aka 60GB with a bigger HDD).

i dunno, im not in to marketing, that why im posting on aD and dont have a job LOOL!

Comment by: kikzm33z (Oct 14, 2008 11:48)

Quote:
A price cut would be ridiculous, as the PS3 is the cheapest way for a Blu-Ray player and more.

Quote:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but please stop posting with these lies about the PS3 being the cheapest way to go blue-ray.
It is not. I just came from walmart. My cousin went to buy NBA 2k8 for his PS3 and while there we say blueray players as low as $240 and i am sure if i really tried i could find one for less than $200 US dollars. Facts....keep them real.

I clearly said 'and more'. You buy the PS3 for Blu-Ray, great gaming, music, internet browsing and possible having it as a computer since you can run Linux on it. To me, the PS3's price is great for what it is.

EDIT: OK, I just looked at the sales and I DO see that the PS3 is very expensive but it's great for its price. I would see why mum's would buy the 360, as they know it's cheap.

Comment by: Oner (Oct 14, 2008 12:52)

Originally posted by lxhotboy:
The best value is in the eye of the consumer. Everyone is different and the consumers decide which is the best value.

Wii--------number 1 in sales
Xbox360----number 2 in sales
PS3--------number 3 in sales

The consumers have spoken.

Yes the consumers have spoken and this is what they actually say (since it can always change)

Quote:
Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd (losing ground every month & dead RROD 360's being counted as working consoles = funny #'s ~ FACT)

This coupled with the fact that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and so far the majority of 2008 shows a different scope than what you have said. If you want to just go by overall number than that is one way to look at it. But when you break down each localization it shows a clearer more exact over view. Either way though, at the end of the day it works out best for all of us. Price cuts = more competitive pricing (hopefully), more games, more options & more capabilities to be offered by all the companies involved.

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Comment by: 13thHouR (Oct 14, 2008 15:03)

Originally posted by oner:
Yes the consumers have spoken and this is what they actually say (since it can always change)

Quote:
Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd (losing ground every month & dead RROD 360's being counted as working consoles = funny #'s ~ FACT)
This coupled with the fact that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and so far the majority of 2008 shows a different scope than what you have said. If you want to just go by overall number than that is one way to look at it. But when you break down each localization it shows a clearer more exact over view. Either way though, at the end of the day it works out best for all of us. Price cuts = more competitive pricing (hopefully), more games, more options & more capabilities to be offered by all the companies involved.

you really love to try to bash the 360 don't you unbiased moderator.

where did you get them numbers from?

try to quote links not made up nonsense.

UK PS3 install base over three times what it was a year ago

Quote:
30 Sep 2008
Despite that, PS3 sales throughout the last year have increased dramatically, keeping in line with 360 sales during the period. Both consoles sold around a million units between last September and now, with the PS3 install base rising from 0.4 million to 1.4 million.

Lifetime British Console Sales Figures

Quote:
29 September 2008

ChartTrack have released some hard, useful sales data for the British market, in the form of lifetime sales figures for the current generation of both home and portable consoles. As of this month, the PS3 has sold 1.4 million units. The 360 has sold 2.3 million. The Wii, however, has both trumped, nearly outnumbering the competition combined at a healthy 3.6 million sold (Wii). And the handhelds? Nowhere near as close. The PSP has sold 2.9 million units, while the DS has sold a whopping 7.1 million.

you do realise that "actual" sales are different to most sources that quote units shipped to retailers!

Global Sales

Quote:

360
consoles sold
20,647,463

PS3
consoles sold
11,648,355

Wii
consoles sold
23,530,801

The RIAA - BPI - IFPI - CRIA - Ect - Ect Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.

Dont allow them to hide behind the trade body names, name and shame em.

Comment by: spamual (Oct 14, 2008 15:52)

he was showing 2008 sales, not over all sales....

Comment by: emugamer (Oct 14, 2008 16:26)

Well, the fear of a global recession was across the headlines last week as we saw the market (US and overseas) slowly fall down the crapper. But it looks like enough money is being pumped into US banks to stave off a recession/depression. Britain, Germany, France and other European pledged to pump $1.3 trillion into their banks. Does this change spending habits now? I don't think so. If in getting from point "A" to point "B" I had to walk along the edge of a cliff, and I lost my footing along the way, almost falling to sudden death, every step afterward would probably be taken with the utmost care and extreme caution.

The fear of a recession is going to be on everyones mind for a while, even after the coast is clear. Just because the PS3 may be worth the pricetag from a hardware perspective, doesn't mean people are ready to fork over that amount of cash. I have a feeling that while people aren't going to abandon their holiday shopping altogether, their wallets are going to close up a bit. People are going to want their Dollar to stretch as far as it can. Black Friday will be used to get more for less in the most literal sense - people establishing a solid budget, seeing how much they can get with $200, $300, $400, etc. Not just looking for one specific deal. I can definitely see 360's outdoing the PS3 and holding onto a strong lead going into the Spring. Just my speculation.

Comment by: 13thHouR (Oct 14, 2008 16:33)

@ emugamer

they are nationalising the debt while the profitable parts of the companies/banks are remaining private.

all this will do is steal more monies from our public services which will have to be made up elsewhere, stealth taxes ect. the tax payer is paying to prop up the banks, it's nothing more than day light robbery.

regardless of everyone's pensions crashing because of the banks, hedge funds ect, it's the inflation in the UK that is the immediate dent in ppl's pockets.

Comment by: emugamer (Oct 14, 2008 16:42)

Originally posted by 13thHouR:
@ emugamer

they are nationalising the debt while the profitable parts of the companies/banks are remaining private.

all this will do is steal more monies from our public services which will have to be made up elsewhere, stealth taxes ect. the tax payer is paying to prop up the banks, it's nothing more than day light robbery.

And not many people are aware of that. All they hear is "we've been saved from a recession!" It's long from over and we'll be feeling the hit for a long time. I can't wait to start getting letters in the mail with my higher tax rates. Yippee!

Comment by: 13thHouR (Oct 14, 2008 17:48)

Originally posted by spamual:
he was showing 2008 sales, not over all sales....

So was i.

i posted the UK data released at the end of september 2008.

carefully selecting data to show a good light towards one side without presenting ALL the facts is called cheery picking the facts.

Quote:
Spin

In public relations, spin is sometimes a pejorative term signifying a heavily biased portrayal in one's own favour of an event or situation. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often, though not always, implies disingenuous, deceptive and/or highly manipulative tactics. Politicians are often accused of spin by commentators and political opponents, when they produce a counter argument or position.

The techniques of "spin" include Selectively presenting facts and quotes that support one's position (cherry picking), the so-called "non-denial denial," Phrasing in a way that assumes unproven truths, euphemisms for drawing attention away from items considered distasteful, and ambiguity in public statements. Another spin technique involves careful choice of timing in the release of certain news so it can take advantage of prominent events in the news.

Comment by: spamual (Oct 14, 2008 18:06)

but you also shows overall sales, also he didnt mention the UK in his figured, he mentions EU/US/JP...

talk about spin....

look mate, your very outspoken and clearly hate sony, so why post any ways, we know your feelings.

yes point me out to like sony, but i couldnt care less im a PC gamer, i dont have to be restricted by crap consoles.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Oct 14, 2008 20:14)

Quote:
Originally posted by lxhotboy:
The best value is in the eye of the consumer. Everyone is different and the consumers decide which is the best value.

Wii--------number 1 in sales
Xbox360----number 2 in sales
PS3--------number 3 in sales

The consumers have spoken.

Yes the consumers have spoken and this is what they actually say (since it can always change)

Quote:
Wii-
1st America
1st Europe
1st Japan

PS3-
3rd America
2nd Europe
2nd Japan

360-
2nd America
3rd Europe
3rd Japan

Wii = 1st with all 1st places
PS3 = 2nd with 2 / 2nd places & 1 3rd (but gaining every month)
360 = 3rd with 2 / 3rd places and 1 / 2nd (losing ground every month & dead RROD 360's being counted as working consoles = funny #'s ~ FACT)
This coupled with the fact that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and so far the majority of 2008 shows a different scope than what you have said. If you want to just go by overall number than that is one way to look at it. But when you break down each localization it shows a clearer more exact over view. Either way though, at the end of the day it works out best for all of us. Price cuts = more competitive pricing (hopefully), more games, more options & more capabilities to be offered by all the companies involved.

@ Oner

I was just curious as how you show a diff scope than what i said but you seem to be biased towards the PS3 in your post. Maybe i am wrong but I just post facts of the overall sales. You posted facts as well but as you had to make it obviously known that the PS3 has been outselling the xbox360, you did not seem too eager to post that the Wii has outsold them both and usually the Wii has been outselling the PS3 and xbox360 combined on a monthly basis. Am i not right??? Those are facts, right? If you are going to lay out more facts and elaborate where i left off on the topic of sales dont tell just side of the story, tell it all. Im just preaching facts. Lets keep it real..

Comment by: spamual (Oct 14, 2008 20:26)

lxhotboy

good point, very good point. propaganda :D

Comment by: Globe08 (Oct 14, 2008 20:50)

Considering you can get an xbox 360 arcade and a refurbished 20 gig hdd for 220 bucks it think its definetly a hell of a deal.Blu-ray is not distinguished enough from 720p. I mean lets be serious price point is not whats selling these consoles. The wii is dominating and its not the cheapest console or best bargain.

Comment by: Oner (Oct 14, 2008 21:21)

13thHour you post about credibility when referencing sales #'s, yet you use NexGen Wars? At least VGChartz is within 5% if NPD!

The Truth About Nexgenwars.com

Now THAT is hypocrisy at it's finest! Plus Sony & Nintendo use SOLD to customers sales numbers.

lxhotboy the thread topic is about a PS3. That is why I posted my reply. In my #'s information it OBVIOUSLY shows the Wii on top in total sales along with each territory so I don't know how that can be misconstrued. Simple Really. As far as my "eagerness" in your opinion, again the THREAD TOPIC is about the PS3, I think that explains the reason why I am discussing the PS3. Just as I have done many a time before for the PS2, Xbox, PSP and others.

I like my PS3, Wii & 360 (there are more than just those in my possession also) they just have different strengths and weaknesses. I guess my thousands of posts and dedication to the CONSOLE forums means nothing to some....whatever, take it which ever way you want. You can't please everyone all the time.

What I would like to add though, is it not true the PS3 has outsold the 360 in 2006, 2007 and most of 2008 so far? Did not the 360 have a 10 million+ 1 year lead that is now only around 5 million? Yes the PS3 & 360 have both been surpassed by a less expensive console, but it is more accurate that the 360 lost more "face" since it had a 1 year head start, had more than 10 million consoles out there AND was less expensive than a PS3? That to me shows a clear explanation of what consumers are trying to say.

Look the bottom line is I have more disdain towards M$ (this is true) for not JUST the 360. But for Windows 95, 98, ME, Vista, Zune, Internet Explorer ALONG WITH the absolutely horrible hardware they have with the 360 and how they have screwed customers with inferior parts (please read this about how Ms knew about RROD and had a 68% assembly line defect rate). That's it. Nothing about "bad graphics" on the 360 (as I have never said that nor agree with it), or how every 360 game is "bad" no matter what (again I have never said that nor beleive that at all). So you can beleive what "some" say about me but it would be better to ask me directly. Only then you will get the CORRECT answer.

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Comment by: lxhotboy (Oct 14, 2008 21:59)

@ oner

I can respect that. I see your point.

Comment by: spamual (Oct 14, 2008 22:12)

whats wrong with vista?

Comment by: Oner (Oct 14, 2008 22:55)

Originally posted by spamual:
whats wrong with vista?

Funny thing is I actually like Vista for the most part. I guess I can explain it best by quoting someone from another forum referencing a comment by Aaron Greenberg.

Quote:
Greenberg did have a dig at Sony, saying that they do not expect people to pay for something (BD) that they do not need.

What about Vista and all the corporations that insist on sticking with XP? They feel they don't "want to pay for something they don't need."

So while I "like" Vista, I still use XP for compatibility and gaming.

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Comment by: DXR88 (Oct 14, 2008 23:07)

Not a thing wrong with fista

Comment by: grkblood (Oct 14, 2008 23:40)

im glad there's no price cut. anything to keep the parents from buying the PS3 for christmas thus keep immature little kids off the playstation network is fine by me.

Comment by: spamual (Oct 15, 2008 01:06)

well tbh unless your gaming there is no need to go out and buy vista, if you have XP but if you are doing a new build then vista 64 is fantasic. DX10 looks fantastic on crysis (inc warhead) and mainly stalker clear sky, btu also if you want 2 4870X2s or TRI SLI then you need vista aswell.

i guess each to their own though, my vista loads much quicker than my XP dual boot, and most things are faster in vista (bar large file transfers) BUT tbh im using a slower disc for XP and havent booted up into XP for over a good 4-5 months now :D

Originally posted by DXR88:

Not a thing wrong with fista

i dont get it..... :S

Comment by: canuckerz (Oct 15, 2008 03:47)

Originally posted by grkblood:
im glad there's no price cut. anything to keep the parents from buying the PS3 for christmas thus keep immature little kids off the playstation network is fine by me.

Yeah I remember when i first had my ps3 back more than a year ago there were almost no little kids now they're everywhere and it really ruins things, they need to enforce the ratings on the back of the games like they would at the movie store or theater.

Comment by: 13thHouR (Oct 15, 2008 08:30)

Ah i see anti M$ posts are allowed to stay without being edited what a surprise.

BTW oner i also gave OFFICIAL ChartTrack numbers, which you decided to leave out (cherry picking) as it shows the real story, the PS3 may well be selling more in 2008 week by week but it is still playing catch up to the 360 and both of them are getting their buts kicked by the WII with both hardware and software slaes then you have the DS that has sold more than both the psp, 360 and ps3 combined.

Expect a price cut ppl this is normal Sony, double speak, Spin.

Comment by: grkblood (Oct 15, 2008 11:10)

Originally posted by 13thHouR:
Ah i see anti M$ posts are allowed to stay without being edited what a surprise.

BTW oner i also gave OFFICIAL ChartTrack numbers, which you decided to leave out (cherry picking) as it shows the real story, the PS3 may well be selling more in 2008 week by week but it is still playing catch up to the 360 and both of them are getting their buts kicked by the WII with both hardware and software slaes then you have the DS that has sold more than both the psp, 360 and ps3 combined.
Expect a price cut ppl this is normal Sony, double speak, Spin.

nobrainer,

Of course it's playing catch up. It got released like a year later. Geeze, you always try to construe things. Tell us something we dont know. Here, I'll make it easy for you in Microsoft terms. XP has sold 9 quadrillion copies since its release in 2001. Vista has sold 900 since its release in 2007. Now just because XP has sold more does that really mean its better? Should we neglect the 6 year difference. Well, yes actually it does and yes we should. Thats how you sound.

But seriously, Vista sucks...

ANY VERSION ON LINUX FTW!!!

at least I can put that on my PS3

Comment by: spamual (Oct 15, 2008 12:23)

IMO vista 64> all preceeding OSes, but then i have never had a problem, bar nvidia early 64bit SLI drivers.

now AMD crossfire drivers are rocking :D

Comment by: DXR88 (Oct 15, 2008 16:44)

Originally posted by 13thHouR:
Ah i see anti M$ posts are allowed to stay without being edited what a surprise.

Not anti-MS its a Vista spinoff of the Weak Security Measures implemented, and the DRM system they implemented in the new Format.

The poster Depicts A MS Employee Covering the mouth of a consumer thats trying to tell you how bad vista is.