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Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 17:37)

core2kid fair enough, and I stand corrected on a few points. lol.

You're right, in terms of Blu-ray playback, it was comprehensive enough. I hope you don't consider that I was calling you biased- because I didn't think you were.

Thanks for the link btw.

The lag is crap in Australia, I'm am sick of pimply American kids abusing me, because I've stood behind an opponent blasting a shotgun shells into the back of his head with him turning around- "oh you there, pow!" ROFL

Yes, I have the arcade model with HDMI and the extra piped heatsink.

Comment by: core2kid (Oct 25, 2008 17:47)

No, I wasn't saying that you were calling me biased. I just wanted to say in general. I didn't want another gay fanboy fight to start.

For HDMI on arcade, I never knew that. I guess we both stand corrected on different points.

I don't have a 360, I have a PS3 and I like the features of it. Some features though that the 360s had for ever just came out on it like a shutdown timer, lol.

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 18:00)

Originally posted by Bradderss:

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At this point in time you can play demos and arcade games from the 360 HDD it was not viable to have full games on HDD as the HDD was smaller originally

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Thanks for clearing that up, so no different in that regard. I look forward to full game implementation on the PS3.

For the record, I believe both consoles are poor excuses as multi-media devices. I build a little silent PC for the lounge. Blu-ray drive, HDMI out, terabyte raid, wireless peripherals... it's the bomb. But it's not everyone's option I acknowledge.

Comment by: core2kid (Oct 25, 2008 18:12)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I look forward to full game implementation on the PS3.

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Already has it. You can buy certain games from the PlayStation Store right to the hard drive.

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 18:20)

Originally posted by core2kid:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I look forward to full game implementation on the PS3.

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Already has it. You can buy certain games from the PlayStation Store right to the hard drive.

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No, I meant in the sense of downloading your game disk to the HD for playback. Games can be downloaded for the X360 in the same way, eg the games Black (Xbox1) or Braid, there seem to be dozens and dozens all varying in quality. Hate the points system.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 19:22)

Mmm a simple DRM program to put a game on the HD from the retail disc and then though a simplistic key system lock it to account, you coudl easily have full new games on disc.

For downloading you'd need a a proper receipt system to make sure you may re download it at any time FYI thats not what current DRM systems are for.

First off we need a DRM system that can easily track sale numbers and accounts and "re give" the product purchased whenever the consumer wants it the trouble is current industry is leaning heavily in a "renting" setup where everything is placed on the consumer and their money. Sure you can offset re getting with a small fee but industry is going to have to re learn its place first.

Another thing we are going to need is family accounts more than 1 system under 1 account and also use the micro transfer system to make account buddies where you can take your live shizzle to another system for awhile for a small fee, innovation dose not come from stagnation if the bastards do not see the money that could be made over what they expect to make...

Comment by: varnull (Oct 25, 2008 19:48)

This whole subject annoys me.. M$ are idiots. If they had either stuck a hd-dvd drive in the 360 at realese or got the addon to market then we would have hd-dvd now not BD.

M$ had a lot of leverage against the media companies.. They could have easily said "we support hd-dvd on our console, so Hollywood and the rest of you dinosaur mpaa/riaa idiots.. you either release on this format or we will not support any of your DRM BS schemes in our XP and Fista OS. We will release patches to remove or override the DRM systems for our customers".

But they are another corporation who believe in the past and shafting every single penny out of customers.. NB should add MS and Apple to his DRM scumbag cartel lists.

Anyway as before stated many times.. The 360 makes too much noise to be a serious quality multimedia player unless you shove it out of the way under the stairs or in another room.

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work. The flower of carnage-shura no hana..

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 19:50)

Originally posted by varnull:

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This whole subject annoys me.. M$ are idiots. If they had either stuck a hd-dvd drive in the 360 at realese or got the addon to market then we would have hd-dvd now not BD.

M$ had a lot of leverage against the media companies.. They could have easily said "we support hd-dvd on our console, so Hollywood and the rest of you dinosaur mpaa/riaa idiots.. you either release on this format or we will not support any of your DRM BS schemes in our XP and Fista OS. We will release patches to remove or override the DRM systems for our customers".

But they are another corporation who believe in the past and shafting every single penny out of customers.. NB should add MS and Apple to his DRM scumbag cartel lists.

Anyway as before stated many times.. The 360 makes too much noise to be a serious quality multimedia player unless you shove it out of the way under the stairs or in another room.

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My PC is louder 0-o
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Comment by: varnull (Oct 25, 2008 20:08)

I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

Hi Zipp.. The post before last was a bit coherent.. feeling a bit off colour this week mate? ;)

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work. The flower of carnage-shura no hana..

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 20:10)

Originally posted by varnull:

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I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

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Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

Comment by: core2kid (Oct 25, 2008 20:23)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by varnull:

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I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

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Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

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I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...image#ps-seller

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 20:27)

Originally posted by core2kid:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by varnull:

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I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

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Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

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I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...-seller

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Have no room for 5 1/2 drive oens I need bottom fans that attach to the drive that have real bearing fans in them.. or just real bearing fans as I have about 10 dead sets of dual 60X60 or single 80X80 HDD fans.... I have 4 5V bearing nice and quite but I feel if I get 4 more it would be to much of a strain on the 5V rails ><

Comment by: varnull (Oct 25, 2008 20:39)

I take them apart and use a little lithium grease on the sleeves. Or how about a forced blow system with a big fan in a box and trunking? I use that system on the cluster because it makes it possible to hear yourself think in the server room.
For running fans and hdd's I tend to use old at psu's.. the ones with the power switch on some wire, and either run them from the extra monitor outlet on the pc or individually powering them up a few seconds before the main system.. Seems to speed the boot because all the drives have already spun up... and saves strain on the pc psu as that's just running the mobo items.

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work. The flower of carnage-shura no hana..

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 20:41)

Originally posted by varnull:

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I take them apart and use a little lithium grease on the sleeves. Or how about a forced blow system with a big fan in a box and trunking? I use that system on the cluster because it makes it possible to hear yourself think in the server room.

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ya..if I want them to last another week before stopping that works great...a proper bearing fan will last 2-3 years before needing to be replaced...

Comment by: varnull (Oct 25, 2008 20:44)

Lots of my fans are over 10 years old now ;) I have a sample jar of irrigation pump grease.. omega lubricants brand.. It is a paraffinic grease with micro particles in it.. Seems very good and non creep. Must be 25 years old now.. I only use a tiny amount every so often.

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work. The flower of carnage-shura no hana..

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 20:46)

Originally posted by varnull:

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Lots of my fans are over 10 years old now ;)

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bah! girls and their "lubrication" :P

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 20:48)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by core2kid:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by varnull:

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I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

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Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

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I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...-seller

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Have no room for 5 1/2 drive oens I need bottom fans that attach to the drive that have real bearing fans in them.. or just real bearing fans as I have about 10 dead sets of dual 60X60 or single 80X80 HDD fans.... I have 4 5V bearing nice and quite but I feel if I get 4 more it would be to much of a strain on the 5V rails ><

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At this stage of the game Zipp- why not just go for a new case? Like the Antec 900? I've dicked about with making ducts and all for the main, works good but still bloody noisy, now I just feel like buying one of those myself. Big fans are the best in the long run. It's the previous model so it might even be really cheap for a damned Yankee. :D

I don't know if it helps but Noctua fans are great- hydrodynamic bearings. I bought a NF-S12 for the multimedia mATX. Can't hear it. Anything under 20 db is good.

Comment by: varnull (Oct 25, 2008 20:48)

I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work. The flower of carnage-shura no hana..

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 20:52)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by core2kid:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Originally posted by varnull:

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I normally have 4-6 pc's running in here. One is a bit noisy, but the repair 360's that come in are louder. 0.0

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Well my PC has like....6 or 7 fans in it :P

BTW can you recommend a good 12V quite HD fan damn sleeve bearing based ones die after 4 -9 months >>

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I have an Antec HDD Cooler. It's very quiet if not silent.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...-seller

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Have no room for 5 1/2 drive oens I need bottom fans that attach to the drive that have real bearing fans in them.. or just real bearing fans as I have about 10 dead sets of dual 60X60 or single 80X80 HDD fans.... I have 4 5V bearing nice and quite but I feel if I get 4 more it would be to much of a strain on the 5V rails ><

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At this stage of the game Zipp- why not just go for a new case? Like the Antec 900? I've dicked about with making ducts and all for the main, works good but still bloody noisy, now I just feel like buying one of those myself. Big fans are the best in the long run. It's the previous model so it might even be really cheap for a damned Yankee. :D

I don't know if it helps but Noctua fans are great- hydrodynamic bearings. I bought a NF-S12 for the multimedia mATX. Can't hear it. Anything under 20 db is good.

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If I had 100$ to buy a case I would and even if I did I do not run my HDs 24/7 without fans, I do not like them to go above 35C >>

I do like my daibolic mintouer case but mini towers are FTL custom mini towers with peculiar tooless er..."features" are even mroe a pain ><

Originally posted by varnull:

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I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD

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and thus why you are a forum goddess. *lick*
even if I hate beer :P

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 21:09)

Oh whatever Zippy, it was just a suggestion. I don't think it's as bad as you seem to make out, it will fit 6 HDDs ordinarily and looks nice too-

http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/cases/antec900/index_2.shtml

The only real pain might be with the power cables' length.

Originally posted by varnull:

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I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD

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Won't that short the equipment ?? ;P

How about Teflon sprays/lube? I've got stuff going again that I thought never would.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 21:16)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Oh whatever Zippy, it was just a suggestion. I don't think it's as bad as you seem to make out, it will fit 6 HDDs ordinarily and looks nice too-

http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/cases/antec900/index_2.shtml

Originally posted by varnull:

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I would rather spend my money on beer than fans XD

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Won't that short the equipment ?? ;P

How about Teflon sprays/lube? I've got stuff going again that I thought never would.

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If I had money I would not be getting crappy fans :P

I am loving the magnetic bearing fans myself but they do not make a slim model for HDDs ;_;

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 21:18)

Yeah, floating magnetic bearing sound really nice.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 21:21)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Yeah, floating magnetic bearing sound really nice.

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I is in love with these fans and use them as much as I can

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&saf...snum=1&ct=title


The only problem I have found is.....for HDDs...external or other wise....you want.... a inch or 2 of clearance.... ><

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2008 21:34)

Yes, stuff the new case, I might just replace the existing 80mm jobs with these.

Thanks for the link.

Hmmm, time you pulled out the drill mate and got a bit creative with external placements. :D

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 25, 2008 21:39)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Yes, stuff the new case, I might just replace the existing 80mm jobs with these.

Thanks for the link.

Hmmm, time you pulled out the drill mate and got a bit creative with external placements. :D

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I don;t really run my USB HDDS alot so I only put fans on thos I get for others unless I know its strictly for backup with limited run time.

If you don't get a enterprise class drive and want to max your life span of HDDs and general electronics heat is a big issue to deal with, I love the quite and longevity of the mag based fans but they are tricky for HDDs or mag sensitive devcies.

I need to get a new mobo and case ...but I no haz the funds >< and wont for awhile best I can do manage with what I got for another year.