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Comment by: Mik3h (Jul 06, 2008 02:03)

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Manhunt is somewhat enjoyable if you can bear the crappy controls, I don't care for GTA never wanted to be gang banger,gangster or pimp so its not interesting to me.

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But instead you'd rather be a mindless cold-blooded killer? :P

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 06, 2008 02:07)

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Manhunt is somewhat enjoyable if you can bear the crappy controls, I don't care for GTA never wanted to be gang banger,gangster or pimp so its not interesting to me.

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But instead you'd rather be a mindless cold-blooded killer? :P

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Copor ex cop vrs a mega ton of criminals and killers...ya cold booleded killer thats me mate I rape women and eat babies too! *rolls eyes*

:P

Comment by: DRokKer (Jul 06, 2008 09:32)

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I carry a huge knife.. 24" of double edged razor sharp steel.. which I have used, and will again on the next idiot who pulls a knife on me.

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varnul, ever heard the saying live by the sword die by the sword? best leave the machete at home mate.
as for noels comments, more than likley they are taken out of context.
hes a Salford boy and gun crime not knife crime have always been the main problem there dating back to the days before violent video games.
just like his comments about Jay Z playing glastonbury, he says one thing out of line in the heat of the moment and the media repeat it constantly till they can make as many people as passable hate. your hate cant be directed so it wells up inside you.
Poverty, the media and slack/lazy parenting/education are the root of the problem not games.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 06, 2008 12:36)

DRokKer
media=games,tv,flim,music, try news and even the they just repate crap adnausum.

Comment by: club42 (Jul 06, 2008 16:24)

LMAO, pot smoking gamers listening to rap going around knifing people. For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to raise the child as her own. Try to do that in a video game.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 06, 2008 16:28)

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LMAO, pot smoking gamers listening to rap going around knifing people. For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to keep the baby as her own. Try to do that in a video game.

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kick in jamacin voice\
Is true man, pot makes people light up the atomic bong and munch on anything edible man.
/voice

Altho kids prefer the uppers to the relaxants.

Comment by: mostopher (Jul 06, 2008 16:34)

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For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to raise the child as her own. Try to do that in a video game.

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I have seen people get very violent after smoking pot. Maybe it's just the particular type or the particular person. As for your second point...Oh, you didn't have one, you just brought in a totally unrelated story for no reason, or am I missing something?

@ varnull:
As to your first line, no problems mate, I see no attacks on me, just you voicing your opinion.

I actually haven't ever felt scared of being knifed at all, I once worried about being bottled when some lads started on me years ago, And to be honest I have once or twice worried about guns, but not really knives. Maybe it's just that I'm still quite young and naieve?

I really can't believe you carry a knife around, I suppose you'll say it's for protection? Isn't that what all those knife carrying scallys say when asked why they started carrying a knife?

Although it's a different debate, let me just say I am dead against smacking children. In my view, violence, in any kind, is never a good thing to have around children.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 06, 2008 16:38)

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Originally posted by club42:

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For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to raise the child as her own. Try to do that in a video game.

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I have seen people get very violent after smoking pot. Maybe it's just the particular type or the particular person. As for your second point...Oh, you didn't have one, you just brought in a totally unrelated story for no reason, or am I missing something?

@ varnull:
As to your first line, no problems mate, I see no attacks on me, just you voicing your opinion.

I actually haven't ever felt scared of being knifed at all, I once worried about being bottled when some lads started on me years ago, And to be honest I have once or twice worried about guns, but not really knives. Maybe it's just that I'm still quite young and naieve?

I really can't believe you carry a knife around, I suppose you'll say it's for protection? Isn't that what all those knife carrying scallys say when asked why they started carrying a knife?

Although it's a different debate, let me just say I am dead against smacking children. In my view, violence, in any kind, is never a good thing to have around children.

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Ya but if you look whats changed int eh last 20-50 years the mindset you can not hurt" children for them to learn an grow and look what that has got us into, not saying its wrong either way but being reasonably stern and balancing fear and respect is a nack we've lost in numbers over the years.

Comment by: mostopher (Jul 06, 2008 16:41)

Maybe so, I still think that fear of any kind has absolutely no place in the home, I would much rather my kids respected me than feared me.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 06, 2008 16:49)

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Maybe so, I still think that fear of any kind has absolutely no place in the home, I would much rather my kids respected me than feared me.

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and thus why when the bight eye'd bushy tailed mindless 20Xs get out int eh reeal world they fail so hard, fear is part of human nature we need it as a fundamental part of our physice,but not fear as in the darkness that clings and claws at you but the simple fear the fear of things like fire,electricity and sharp objects, fear of parents finding out embarrassing things the shared fears of a parent spanking a child because they almost got them selfs killed or damaged mentally or phyically and them all break down and cry, some things are so subtle you can not write it off for petty moral or political exspedancy, we need to live feel pain and emotion learn love and die we need to grow as a race a people a society.

lil bits of everything make us big bits of anyone thing may break us but in the end we are the clay experience has molded.

Comment by: mostopher (Jul 06, 2008 17:03)

Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 06, 2008 17:13)

Originally posted by mostopher:

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Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!

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Not the point its used to jolt reality into a kids life it works for some not so much for others but its a reasonable parenting tool thats been used for thousands of years, kids are going to fear many of things a respectful fear of authority is not going to warp them, if you are skilled(mental fear/mental games) and lucky enough(mostly lucky) you can make do without it but in the end thats up to the parents to decide.

Comment by: DXR88 (Jul 06, 2008 18:22)

Originally posted by mostopher:

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Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!

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See Some people just don't learn until you do get violent, there are those you can talk to, and those you cant. ever try to ride a bike remember how many times, you fell of remember the pain of falling of.
or perhaps its something you cant remember, like your first time trying to walk, your body and mind learn from pain you learned to walk by the pain of falling.

Comment by: mostopher (Jul 06, 2008 19:15)

I would disagree about it being a reasonable parenting tool (to me nothing violent can ever be reasonable) Some people may see it as necessary maybe, but never reasonable. Tell me how is it good to teach a child that it's ok to use violence as long as you believe you're right? The ultimate

You may learn to walk/bike (and a great many other things besides) through pain but I see no connection between that and learning to fear your parents through smacking. I don't remember the feeling of pain from falling off my bike but I do remember the sense of achievment I got when I finally learned how to stay on.

I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Let me just say I'm not saying smacking should be banned nor do I hate people who smack, just that it's not something I agree with or would ever do to my children.

Comment by: 7thsinger (Jul 06, 2008 19:51)

Another outrageous claim by a pampered celebrity...and i use that term loosely.

One would have to provide a pretty intense proof...not (educated?) guessing to sway my stance here; and that is that there is little link between video games and real life violence. To me it's the same argument that watching Looney Tunes might convince someone to think that hitting someone else with an oversized mallet may create little stars and birds around their cross-eyed head.

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And Here.

Comment by: SDF_GR (Jul 06, 2008 20:59)

Video games are the reason for global warming, for oil crisis, for people dieing in africa cause the dont even have water to drink and more .....(sarcasm)

But what he forgot to "blame" video games for, is that by accusing video games you can become a celebrity instantly and be resurrected from the dead.

As the title says "Oasis guitarist", not "Noel Gallagher", for me that says a lot.

Comment by: emugamer (Jul 07, 2008 02:35)

I say ban those First Person Knifers!

Comment by: c1c (Jul 07, 2008 15:53)

Smoking weed does not cause people to go around knifing people. But it does put you in a dreamland state. There are a ton of people out there that play games and smoke weed all day, and that kind of repetition puts people at risk. as far as Oasis, I love all their music, have seen them several times, and can't wait for their new album coming up soon. the leaked tracks are great.

It seems that all the popular games out there are first person shooters. I have this idea that we are just training the youth to become future soldiers.

Comment by: DXR88 (Jul 07, 2008 16:22)

Originally posted by c1c:

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Smoking weed does not cause people to go around knifing people. But it does put you in a dreamland state. There are a ton of people out there that play games and smoke weed all day, and that kind of repetition puts people at risk. as far as Oasis, I love all their music, have seen them several times, and can't wait for their new album coming up soon. the leaked tracks are great.

It seems that all the popular games out there are first person shooters. I have this idea that we are just training the youth to become future soldiers.

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yeah you never know when those alien are going to attack,and when i join the army i better have a crosshair on my screen, when i use my iron sight im going to put the gun on my chest that way i can look strait down them. if you play a game thinking it will prepare you for combat situation i feel sorry for you, just like Gene Simmons a couple of weeks ago this guy just wants to rally up the ant hill.

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Jul 07, 2008 17:04)

Oh for the love of god, what the world is coming to... First off, sorry to hear about the knife incidents in UK, really sorry. Secondly, what the heck with those knives? Knives are for cooking really, so why the hell people carrying a kitchen tool with them, i would never know... You can argue knives are for hunting too, but face it, it's still really related to cooking. Lastly, no, video games don't make people start carrying knives and stab/slash people. You know what make them do that? The rage virus... I'm very interested to see what will happen in 28 months later. There's probably nothing to see 28 years later, since video game kills everything in this world by then, lol.

Comment by: xempler (Jul 07, 2008 19:17)

Here is my theory to the explosion of knife crimes:

Stupidity

People who commit these knife crimes are stupid beyond belief. Mix in drugs and their stupidity level goes through the roof.

Lots of people play video games, violent or otherwise, but they're not stupid or crazy enough to run around knifing people.

I say throw them all into the deepest hole, they provide absolutely no value in society.

Comment by: ikari (Jul 07, 2008 22:00)

Originally posted by mostopher:

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Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!

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My parents spanked me when I did something wrong. They love me a lot. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it is not abuse. It is a fine line but it is there.

Also, remember that just because we have reason and logic, it does not mean that we animalistic instincts either. That being said, pain when used correctly is a good teacher.

Example: you tell a child something is hot when they try to touch it. Depending on the age they might leave it alone, they might not. I guarantee you, that if they touch it after you say, "it is hot don't touch it", they aren't going to again.

Comment by: G_Hubcap (Jul 09, 2008 21:01)

There may be some minor relevance to Noel's statement;
If you have the mentality to toke the "Super"Skunk and go around stabbing people you are a deranged twisted being. OK the only relevance I'll give it is that it shows the difference between violence in Europe -vs- USA... Here in the US we smoke crack and cap fools... Blame it on the games, music, books, distractions, etc. When is the responsibility going to fall on the parents or the corrupt political/judicial system?

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 09, 2008 21:06)

Originally posted by G_Hubcap:

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There may be some minor relevance to Noel's statement;
If you have the mentality to toke the "Super"Skunk and go around stabbing people you are a deranged twisted being. OK the only relevance I'll give it is that it shows the difference between violence in Europe -vs- USA... Here in the US we smoke crack and cap fools... Blame it on the games, music, books, distractions, etc. When is the responsibility going to fall on the parents or the corrupt political/judicial system?

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corrupt political/judicial system is one fassect of it having wild immature people as part o the populace running around thinking they stuck in repetitive cycles is another, jobs and EDU is a main factor if we ahda system that could provide jobs and schooling to everyone to keep them busy and somewhat satisfied with life, they would not fall into these sub cultures of hate and sorrow.

Comment by: FredBun (Jul 14, 2008 13:36)

thank god you guys dont have to deal with a huge gun problem like us in the states, killing is killing no matter how, but I's rather have your problem than ours if I had to choose.