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Comment by: borhan9 (Jun 10, 2008 05:47)

This guy is just in denial bout everything. Can he approve anything??

Comment by: plazma247 (Jun 10, 2008 07:57)

lol i think old robbie may have been smoking to much of the good stuff as some of his previous statements have included:

Trying to head microsoft into the furniture business:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/robbi...o-be-in-the-fu/

Or the fact that mobile phones will be useful in the future.. theres a no brainer:
http://www.moconews.net/entry/419-ces-mi...tant-in-the-fu/

I really liked this one it made me giggle:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/44666-mi...r-of-bad-timing

Comment by: DXR88 (Jun 10, 2008 14:09)

all i'm sayings is that eventually MS give or take 2 years will realize
there mistake, See you can only compress so much before the game turns into garbage. game developers have always wanted more space to work with
might not improve graphics, but that extra space could be used to store dynamic Textures and bitmaps, more story, or perhaps dynamic AI. as it stands you cant do that with a dvd.

Compressing is still taking away from the original loss-less or not.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Jun 10, 2008 18:28)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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all i'm sayings is that eventually MS give or take 2 years will realize
there mistake, See you can only compress so much before the game turns into garbage. game developers have always wanted more space to work with
might not improve graphics, but that extra space could be used to store dynamic Textures and bitmaps, more story, or perhaps dynamic AI. as it stands you cant do that with a dvd.

Compressing is still taking away from the original loss-less or not.

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could not agree more.......

Comment by: plazma247 (Jun 10, 2008 19:21)

I third that.. but maybe its a case of sony either priced it out of being a viable option to fit it to the xbox or have just flately refused and blocked all attempts for the drive to be fitted to an xbox.

Who knows, its just a funny move after two years of saying they would go blueray if hd dvd failed and there was demand and now a big back track... which is why i think there is more that we havnt been told.

The HD Step down and give into BDROM was the break sony had been banking on all along, the now have their own format which they control and is then its only fitted exclusivly to their own games station...

It just win win win as far as sony go from here on in.....

... Maybe microsoft would consider fitting a BDROM to their microsoft home server and stream it across from there, its going to take giga lan to take the load unless the re-encode it down to a more compressed bitrate... but still its maybe an option for at least watching hi def roms, maybe someone will write something winamp remote (orb), tversity etc and will be able to do it from the pc.. who knows.

Still its a really sucky outcome not having bd onboard.

Comment by: bdoggie08 (Jun 10, 2008 21:04)

Who can afford that kinda internet? Microsoft is retarded to think that people are going to download whole console games for their system? And how much memory space are they going to allot? Why doesn't Microsoft just ressurect HDDVD? they have the money...

Comment by: G_Hubcap (Jun 10, 2008 21:27)

Originally posted by plazma247:

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lol i think old robbie may have been smoking to much of the good stuff as some of his previous statements have included:

Trying to head microsoft into the furniture business:
http:...

Nice research Plazma! I like it a Lot!
:)

Comment by: DVDBack23 (Jun 11, 2008 03:29)

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Originally posted by o0cynix0o:

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If they did release an XBox with a blue ray drive how would all the owners of the regular DVD version of the console play the new games? It doesn't seem like a good way to make money to me. What are the chances they would use the now dead HD DVD format for games?

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They wouldn't. They would release an external BD drive such as how they did with the HD-DVD drive.

BTW, does anyone know what the size was on the 360 version of GTA4? I know the PS3 was 10.4GB, but I want to compare how much they had to compress.

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7.30 GB

Comment by: rvinkebob (Jun 11, 2008 04:32)

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

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They wouldn't. They would release an external BD drive such as how they did with the HD-DVD drive.

BTW, does anyone know what the size was on the 360 version of GTA4? I know the PS3 was 10.4GB, but I want to compare how much they had to compress.

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7.30 GB

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They really trimmed it down then.

Originally posted by o0cynix0o:

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So they would be releasing games in BluRay or just movies?

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Just movies, and that's only if they release a BD drive for the 360. USB doesn't have enough bandwidth to carry constant data needed in most games on BluRay.

Comment by: o0cynix0o (Jun 11, 2008 06:43)

Originally posted by bdoggie08:

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Why doesn't Microsoft just ressurect HDDVD? they have the money...

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My thoughts exactly...they could have their own HD format for games exclusively.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jun 11, 2008 12:55)

a still say a 3 part plan to move the 360 to BR would work out great for them, new units are built better slowly replace the 360s out there with BR enabled units, you'd be able to prop up the aged 360 longer and even let publishers who want to make BR games for it but its going to take 5milloin or more BR enabled units in play to make BR gaming profitable, it can be done and be done reasonably...I'd much rather buy a 360 with BR in it at 300 than a PS3 at this point and time but the 360 is over priced without BR right now.

Comment by: bdoggie08 (Jun 11, 2008 17:55)

360 owners are sick of sending consoles in for refurbished systems. Lets just move forward with graphics, audio, and gameplay and why do we have to play trimmed contentual games, why can't we enjoy the real deal. Stop cutting content, and relying on "downloads" and lets look to the future, like MGS4 did. 50 Gigs of gamespace. No trimming, no cut audio, no cut gameplay. Its going to be beautiful. Unlike GTA4, which had to be compressed...sad. Now we have the PS3, which will have no problems running great stunning looking games at great speeds. MS will have no choice but to build a new next gen console to keep up with Sony's specs.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jun 11, 2008 22:35)

Originally posted by bdoggie08:

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360 owners are sick of sending consoles in for refurbished systems. Lets just move forward with graphics, audio, and gameplay and why do we have to play trimmed contentual games, why can't we enjoy the real deal. Stop cutting content, and relying on "downloads" and lets look to the future, like MGS4 did. 50 Gigs of gamespace. No trimming, no cut audio, no cut gameplay. Its going to be beautiful. Unlike GTA4, which had to be compressed...sad. Now we have the PS3, which will have no problems running great stunning looking games at great speeds. MS will have no choice but to build a new next gen console to keep up with Sony's specs.

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its still debatable if MSG4 uses filler or not :P
and the PS3 still has optimization issues with game code and running them correctly...

its rather easy to waste 20GB of data space by not using normal means of comrpesstion and what not that normally don't drop visual qauilty,not to mention filler data to better place the data on the disc for better loading times..


oh and HDVD can do 51GB a disc, down side its worthless for movies, MS will probably be forced to use it sooner or later, but at leastthe PS3 is matrueing well the 360 is already decrepit....

Comment by: bdoggie08 (Jun 11, 2008 22:41)

M$ smart decision is to adopt HDDVD and press on instead of telling us about worthless Internet downloads that no one will be able to afford let alone Hard Drive space..plus the technology and guts of the system are so old as it is anyways. They should recreate a next gen system soon..

Comment by: rvinkebob (Jun 12, 2008 02:32)

Originally posted by bdoggie08:

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M$ smart decision is to adopt HDDVD and press on instead of telling us about worthless Internet downloads that no one will be able to afford let alone Hard Drive space..plus the technology and guts of the system are so old as it is anyways. They should recreate a next gen system soon..

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So make a new system every 2 years so consumers have to pay $500 each time? Just stick to the original and wait until 2011-12 when the next systems are bound to come out.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jun 12, 2008 02:37)

Originally posted by rvinkebob:

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Originally posted by bdoggie08:

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M$ smart decision is to adopt HDDVD and press on instead of telling us about worthless Internet downloads that no one will be able to afford let alone Hard Drive space..plus the technology and guts of the system are so old as it is anyways. They should recreate a next gen system soon..

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So make a new system every 2 years so consumers have to pay $500 each time? Just stick to the original and wait until 2011-12 when the next systems are bound to come out.

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Umm if they put BR on it they wont have to usher the user base to upgrde, first off if they just let devs amke what they want for it devs will make SE versions of the games on BR and even then not alot of them will until near tis end, all in all BR on the 360 with improved non self cooking hardware is good.

Comment by: bdoggie08 (Jun 12, 2008 14:48)

Just let them stick to internet downloads...or outdated DVD9 discs..leave BR to Sony. M$ 360 couldn't handle it externally, their faulty console would break somehow..

Comment by: DXR88 (Jun 12, 2008 14:58)

I think the ps3 will last 15 year's before the need to even think about a new console.

you've got a dynamic range cell based processor.
a brand new media based drive.
and firmware updating routine's.

Xbox will make a new console give or take 2 years.

blue-ray licensing is not Sony's call its the B.D.A's call.

i think MS is feeding us partial truth. there will not be a blue-ray for 360, there will be blue-ray in there new console.

in America and United Nations the WTO has a artical witch stats somethin like this: Items or trade can not be withheld from groups or third party's based on nationality, race, gender or color.

i forgot the artical number, but that there that would prevent the B.D.A from saying no to MS.

Comment by: bdoggie08 (Jun 12, 2008 16:36)

Agreed. Good point(s).

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jun 12, 2008 16:50)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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I think the ps3 will last 15 year's before the need to even think about a new console.

you've got a dynamic range cell based processor.
a brand new media based drive.
and firmware updating routine's.

Xbox will make a new console give or take 2 years.

blue-ray licensing is not Sony's call its the B.D.A's call.

i think MS is feeding us partial truth. there will not be a blue-ray for 360, there will be blue-ray in there new console.

in America and United Nations the WTO has a artical witch stats somethin like this: Items or trade can not be withheld from groups or third party's based on nationality, race, gender or color.

i forgot the artical number, but that there that would prevent the B.D.A from saying no to MS.

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IMO they an move the 360 itself to BR one of the things holding it back besides the fail rate is the space limtis, if they moved the line to a unlocked HDD drive and it has a BR drive in it they could move all new games to BR in 2-3 years and keep the BR 360 going untill 014-016.

the 360 has power but its limited due to them making a frnakenconsole.

Comment by: DXR88 (Jun 12, 2008 18:24)

Not really zippy, Xbox360 uses a tri-core processor. each core is roughly clocked in at 1.2Ghertz, each core does its own thing one does video another does audio, the other is shared, between I/O devices,and AI scripts.

even if they did release a blue-ray drive, i don't think it would run effectively at 1.2Ghertz. even then you'd have no room for AI.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jun 12, 2008 18:27)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Not really zippy, Xbox360 uses a tri-core processor. each core is roughly clocked in at 1.2Ghertz, each core does its own thing one does video another does audio, the other is shared, between I/O devices,and AI scripts.

even if they did release a blue-ray drive, i don't think it would run effectively at 1.2Ghertz. even then you'd have no room for AI.

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looking at some of the newer games if they had HDD space for more constant and slightly better models/textures it can easily go for another 5-7 years, it would be cheaper to do that and then build a REAL next gen console in that time frame.

Comment by: DXR88 (Jun 12, 2008 18:31)

MS won't unlock hdd, you know as well as i do that that'll never happen.

think original Xbox harddrive, only on the outside and more restricting to unlock because of prioritized plugin.

Comment by: plazma247 (Jun 13, 2008 21:30)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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i forgot the artical number, but that there that would prevent the B.D.A from saying no to MS.

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But thats not to say they cant price it so its not a feasable option, which amounts to the same thing.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jun 13, 2008 21:36)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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MS won't unlock hdd, you know as well as i do that that'll never happen.

think original Xbox harddrive, only on the outside and more restricting to unlock because of prioritized plugin.

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if they want a complete media center game machine they will have to do it, remember MS said they were not going into media for the 360, they have no choice but to now.