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Comment by: NexGen76 (Jul 19, 2007 12:37)

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I'm not much of a fan of the PS3 games, unless you count Final Fantasy and MGS4.I was a big fan of Gran Turismo but seeing as the Forza franchise has surpassed it in onlineplay, customisation, physics and collision damage,I would never go back to something that just looks good but delivers nothing new.

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Please i want you to show proof of that because i know thats not true GT kill any racing game thats out.No racing game on any system in it History has out sold GT.So i think you stating a opinion because thats not a fact & not even close to being one.

Wii & 360 won't come close to any of these exclusives.Its just a matter of time.

Lair
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Folklore
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
KillZone 2
MGS4
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Haze
Time Crisis 4
Tekken 6
Final Fantasy
INFAMOUS
Little Big World
The Agency
GT5
Socom4

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 19, 2007 12:39)

emugamer
To true,I have found the ankle biting to more interesting than the next gen systems them selfs,both sony and MS have nawed away at their own ankles making things even more fun.

The phallic tower of the WII reigns arrosshe land and there lil anyone an do about it,MS is a niche of PC style games,the PS3 will claim the its spot in 2 or 3 years because they have the Jp 3rd party devs and a the last few PSX franchise that will make it sale better world wide than the 360 in 3+ years, for now tho the PS3 is fighting with itself over price the higher it stays the slow it sales the slow it sales the less devs will wont to fool with it,so sony needs to wake up and get it to 450 now.

ChromeMud
The way I see the 360 and PS3 is,the 360 has a lil bit more raw power for graphics and the PS3 has the same but for physics,in the end thier limitations keep them about even,however the PS3 has a better Hdef standard witch boosts its look a bit,the main problem for it tho is coding will mature at half the rate it dose for the 360 but it started out a few rungs above the 360 so in all they are neck and nack.

You can't really put anythign past coders once they find some optimations the PS3 will be running a lot better but that going to take 2-3 years, another issue with the PS3 is the odd architecture thats going to slow its optimizable maturing down.

In the end both systems are powerful and for the most part equal,if a multi console game dose not work well on 1 then its merely a bad port

Comment by: ChromeMud (Jul 19, 2007 12:46)

I more or less agree with you ZIppyDSM.
The PS3 and 360 are close and the Wii is the leader in terms of
reaching a mass market.All systems will have their games,exclusives,etc so it's upto the punter to decide what's best for them but I think the choice is good.

Comment by: vinny13 (Jul 19, 2007 12:55)

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I'm not much of a fan of the PS3 games, unless you count Final Fantasy and MGS4.I was a big fan of Gran Turismo but seeing as the Forza franchise has surpassed it in onlineplay, customisation, physics and collision damage,I would never go back to something that just looks good but delivers nothing new.

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Please i want you to show proof of that because i know thats not true GT kill any racing game thats out.No racing game on any system in it History has out sold GT.So i think you stating a opinion because thats no a fact & not even close to being one.

Wii & 360 won't come close to any of these exclusives.Its just a matter of time.

Lair
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Folklore
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
KillZone 2
MGS4
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Haze
Time Crisis 4
Tekken 6
Final Fantasy
INFAMOUS
Little Big World
The Agency
GT5
Socom4

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Thank you. lol

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 19, 2007 13:46)

*sigh*
fanboys gotta love them....


Lair:(action/action adventure):Kameo,Eragon,Too Human

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Warhawk(3rd person vechile based):War World,Zoids Infinity EX Neo

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Heavenly Sword(GOW clone): Conan maybe?mmm Dead Rising,Demonik well they are action adventure of some sort..any GOW clone will do.

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Folklore:Fable 2.......
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Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction: over head furry shooter.....generic much?
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KillZone 2: and the first one was so good?
3rd person military tech..again generic much...
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MGS4:Still unconfirmed about the 360 release.
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Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: its like Gears of war only in a jungle and you fight mostly humans! so tis another 3rd person shooter.
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Haze:Bioshock...Halo..
even Turok....I dunno any B level FPS or higher can take it.
BTW on 360.
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Time Crisis 4:oh joy a gun game.....
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Tekken 6:DOA(altho they both suck so meh...)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix,
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Final Fantasy (RPG):Blue dragon,Eternal Sonata,Lost Odyssey ,please dont FF has been dead since 9 its a watered down MMO style lite rpg grind fest...
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INFAMOUS(modern action/adventure):Saints Row,Condemned: Criminal Origins
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Little Big World:........playing in a peet candy world....of corse I hate animal crossing too.... theres always Viva Pinata.....but blah
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The Agency:Hitman blood money..........
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GT5:...oh god....PGR,Fronza,MotoGP 06 sorry like FF GT ain't what it use to be........
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Socom4: I think Socom is the Halo for tactical shooters.....over rated and only on 1 system...
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Now is there any other troll bait I can answer?

And before you start burning the fanboy card, sure I didn't get all the genres right and soem might be multi console but when you boil it down there is lil difference in them once you start claiming "ZOMG MINES BIGGER er BETTER" the IQ in the room dies, so keep it simple like what you like but keep the troll baiting down....

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: vinny13 (Jul 19, 2007 14:05)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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*sigh*
fanboys gotta love them....


Lair:(action/action adventure):Kameo,Eragon,Too Human

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Warhawk(3rd person vechile based):War World,Zoids Infinity EX Neo

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Heavenly Sword(GOW clone): Conan maybe?mmm Dead Rising,Demonik well they are action adventure of some sort..any GOW clone will do.

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Folklore:Fable 2.......
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Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction: over head furry shooter.....generic much?
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KillZone 2: and the first one was so good?
3rd person military tech..again generic much...
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MGS4:Still unconfirmed about the 360 release.
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Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: its like Gears of war only in a jungle and you fight mostly humans! so tis another 3rd person shooter.
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Haze:Bioshock...Halo..
even Turok....I dunno any B level FPS or higher can take it.
BTW on 360.
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Time Crisis 4:oh joy a gun game.....
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Tekken 6:DOA(altho they both suck so meh...)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix,
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Final Fantasy (RPG):Blue dragon,Eternal Sonata,Lost Odyssey ,please dont FF has been dead since 9 its a watered down MMO style lite rpg grind fest...
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INFAMOUS(modern action/adventure):Saints Row,Condemned: Criminal Origins
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Little Big World:........playing in a peet candy world....of corse I hate animal crossing too.... theres always Viva Pinata.....but blah
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The Agency:Hitman blood money..........
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GT5:...oh god....PGR,Fronza,MotoGP 06 sorry like FF GT ain't what it use to be........
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Socom4: I think Socom is the Halo for tactical shooters.....over rated and only on 1 system...
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Now is there any other troll bait I can answer?

And before you start burning the fanboy card, sure I didn't get all the genres right and soem might be multi console but when you boil it down there is lil difference in them once you start claiming "ZOMG MINES BIGGER er BETTER" the IQ in the room dies, so keep it simple like what you like but keep the troll baiting down....

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What? :S

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 19, 2007 14:08)

vinny13
you heard me :P
like what you will be don't start with the "this this this or that" troll bait,its rather simple the PS3 will have some games the 360 wont and vice versa.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: vinny13 (Jul 19, 2007 14:17)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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vinny13
you heard me :P
like what you will be don't start with the "this this this or that" troll bait,its rather simple the PS3 will have some games the 360 wont and vice versa.

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Ok that I understand and agree with lol

But your wrong about GT. The first and the forth I thought were the best out for racing. The forth was nice and had everything, and the first was nice because it was very simple, although it's almost impossible to get to the IA lisence alone! And then 2 and 3 were basicly the same, just the third had better graphics. It sounds fanboyish but when it come's to GT, I'm all over it.

As long as there are new cars being made, there will be more GTs to come. I think it was the first real racing game too, with regular cars instead of cars like F1 and NASCAR.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Jul 19, 2007 14:33)

Originally posted by Zippy:

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MGS4:Still unconfirmed about the 360 release.

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Where you been hiding it was comfirmed at E3.

Originally posted by Zippy:

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The Agency:Hitman blood money

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Not even close to being Hitman totally different game do more research before you try to compare.

Originally posted by Zippy:

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Socom4: I think Socom is the Halo for tactical shooters.....over rated and only on 1 system

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Over rated but it the most played game online on the PS2 SOCOM 2 AVG 5000 people online everyday & this game is 4 years old Socom 3 avg over 15-20 thousand people online yeah it very over rated.

Originally posted by Zippy:

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GT5:...oh god....PGR,Fronza,MotoGP 06 sorry like FF GT ain't what it use to be

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You don't play game much do you...lol GT set the Bar for all racing games period.GT is the highest selling racing game period on any gaming system.Sometime i think you just like to here yourself talk but if you do don't talk foolish like this.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 19, 2007 14:38)

Originally posted by vinny13:

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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vinny13
you heard me :P
like what you will be don't start with the "this this this or that" troll bait,its rather simple the PS3 will have some games the 360 wont and vice versa.

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Ok that I understand and agree with lol

But your wrong about GT. The first and the forth I thought were the best out for racing. The forth was nice and had everything, and the first was nice because it was very simple, although it's almost impossible to get to the IA lisence alone! And then 2 and 3 were basicly the same, just the third had better graphics. It sounds fanboyish but when it come's to GT, I'm all over it.

As long as there are new cars being made, there will be more GTs to come. I think it was the first real racing game too, with regular cars instead of cars like F1 and NASCAR.

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And from what I have read Fonza has surpassed it for online features,collision and other lil odds and ends, hash details all you want its basically the same,or at least enough to fill that "void" in the line up and thats what I am going over,you like your franchises great just be ready for the hard landing when you figure out they are not really developing the game any just spamming out sequels,altho not all games do this...its becoming more prevalent now with new games havign the same holes as the old or havign new holes in diffrent places making the over all experance the same(yes FF I am bitching at youFF8 blah,FF9 good,FF10 blah FF12 blah).

And if you think RPGs have washed out try FPSs ...WTF invisi wall in the middle of a room ot worse yet a level comprised of 3 small rooms ZOMG the end is nigh!!!
/rant end
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sigh...really tho you need all the main systems to get all the good games that will never change.

I love gaming but gaaa its the new freaking hollywood ,only they do not add more content(bug/balance fixes FTW ) and release stuff ><

BTW were you a Unding fan? Clive is working with Codemasters, Mercury Steam for the multi system release of Jerico
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/cli...=result;title;1

^0^

NexGen76

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And before you start burning the fanboy card, sure I didn't get all the genres right and soem might be multi console but when you boil it down there is lil difference in them once you start claiming "ZOMG MINES BIGGER er BETTER" the IQ in the room dies, so keep it simple like what you like but keep the troll baiting down....

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blah blah blah fanyboy rants,blah blah blah.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Jul 19, 2007 14:57)

Originally posted by Zippy:

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blah blah blah fanyboy rants,blah blah blah

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Glad to see i got my point a cross i hate misinformed x-bots.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 19, 2007 15:25)

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Originally posted by Zippy:

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blah blah blah fanyboy rants,blah blah blah

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Glad to see i got my point a cross i hate misinformed x-bots.

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And I love when fanboys start burning when they claim their games are everything to the genre when they are really not.

Halo over rated FPS=Socom Overrated tact FPS same coin dif sides.
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GT set the bar like FF did and it can bearly keep up with the bar it set years ago while others in the genre are improving just because they are not GT or FF you should no so quickly dismiss them.
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MGS4 ya and how many times have devs jumped ship after claiming it,sorry to much blood int eh water if no signs show in a year fine I will contest MSG4 wont show up on the 360,I dont care for MGS but tis reasonable for konami to go after the revunue multi console games bring..
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As I said I might have the genres off but if you must hash ever little fanboy basic then lets,The Agency is hitman with a strategy theme or more like a subpar hybrid where you have 3rd person missions to expand your base and gain new..oh wait Overlord basic hybrid sure tis medevil/magic/mosnters theme but basically the same.
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Any more troll bait I can answer I am feelign hairy ^^



BTW you seem cant read I have stated many times my distaste of the 360 and its "Steal PC game" M.O. is rather tiring,the same is true for the PS3 that is losing some of its franchisees and has become a high end game machine that most devs would rather not dev for or have you not been paying attention to the poor sales of the PS3 the high price and crap,the PS3 will out grow the 360 in a couple years the sooner the price comes down the sooner it will happen, I don't think it can fight the WII it has simply become its own lil world but for the high end game niche the PS3 be number one in 20 or so months.

Please do try and use your eyes and mind the PS3 is not doing well, and you can cry top of the genre all you want a reasonable facsimile(clone) is still just as good as the real thing.


Again I will state the PS3 and 360 are pretty much peas in the same pod they have grown a bit diffrently but once you boil it down theres no real difference in them at this point and time,maybe in 3 years when real 40GB games are made without filler the PS3 will shine,for now its more of the same and the only really truly "great" thing in gaming this go round is the meek in power wii and even it has issues..

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: DoomLight (Jul 19, 2007 17:35)

considering the 360 is an imported system. thats ok to me. 8 months is a long time for me to think that sony finally sold 1 million units. and they claim they've sold millions of units around the world? ha! sounds like they are only counting the units shipped from the factories after they are built and boxed...

imagine how many more they'd sell if they knocked off another 50 to 100 bux.

Comment by: tru003 (Jul 19, 2007 20:22)

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.

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HUH???
I'm sorry SProdigy but you cannot compare Intel and AMD to PS3 and WII.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 19, 2007 22:48)

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Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.

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HUH???
I'm sorry SProdigy but you cannot compare Intel and AMD to PS3 and WII.

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Mmmm if there were only WII and PS3 then the WII would be intel because it did well long ago and had a hard time keeping up with ADM,now the WII/intel has out maneuvered ADM, but CPUs are a bad exsmaple because there is no 3rd wheel....

It seems to some sony fans dismiss the WIIs sudden dominance and refuse to see the PS3 for the high end game machine it is,face it the PS3 will never return to where the PS2 was its to late,all they can do is lay a foundation that will make it 2nd to the WII in consoles and above the 360 in high end gaming/entertainment.

Now if Zony finally realizes its place in the world and sets the PS3 350 or lower price point it just might reclaim its proper throne(and no even if the 360 was 100 it would not do much better because of the lack of diverse 3rd party support).

Comment by: cd-rw.org (Jul 20, 2007 03:02)

They should drop the price, they should drop the price...

Goddamit guys, hows your math? You like giving away high tech stuff for free? Especially when you are broke?

Microsoft has yet to make a penny out of their Xbox products. But they have decided that they will penetrate the console market and gain access to our living rooms, no matter what it costs. And Microsoft can afford to do it - they are ripping of cash with Windows and Offices licenses faster that you can count. They could sell the Xbox 360 for $1 and not worry about it.

Sony on the other hand is in financial problems. While MS is cashing on immaterial products, Sony is operating in consumer electronics field where the competition is fierce and profit margins low. When Microsoft is selling air (the license to use software) Sony is delivering actual products with actual production and material costs, and currently they are not very successful at it. They are making financial damage for each PS3 sold, but unfortunately they don't have all the money in the world to give away more free stuff. They are already paying you about $200 for the PS3 you are buying.

Comment by: emugamer (Jul 20, 2007 05:54)

Originally posted by cd-rw.org:

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[i] While MS is cashing on immaterial products, Sony is operating in consumer electronics field where the competition is fierce and profit margins low. When Microsoft is selling air (the license to use software) Sony is delivering actual products with actual production and material costs, and currently they are not very successful at it.

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Just as a side point, and not to completely disagree, but Sony has dipped their fingers in the software pie. They purchased Sonic Foundry and deliver the Soundforge, Acid and Vegas audio/video editing software packages (all excellent programs, as I've used them myself and prefer them). They also have other audio/video editing software I believe. Not that their sales can compare to MS in the software department, but at least they realize that "air" can make money.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 20, 2007 11:00)

cd-rw.org

...........last I checked MS started to make a profit on the 360s or at the least break even(Fail rate and warrenty issues aside) or even manage the monetary damage of it all.

Whats the PS3? a slow seller due to what now? PRICE and or games...it seems to me you are foolish enough to think a at 600+ in the US and 800+ abroad the PS3 is going to do better than the WII or the 360 for that matter, belive it or not there are magicl numbers out there and if you cross them you're heading to Jaguar and 3DO vil,at a price point of above 500 the PS3 is a niche machine and will never out sale the WII no matter what games it has,at 500 it can easily out sale the 360 just because its one of Asia's favorite sons.

Emugamer
Sony as a whole is a media giant (from media industry to TV,radios,ect) they have the money what ever losses on the PS"X" and be easily absorb by any summer block buster(film) MS prints money at a higher rate if you will so nether are phased much by it all since they juggle the debt and get enough money in to make creditors and stock holders happy.

frankly the PS3 needs a solid price drop theres no way its going to compete otherwise,this dose not mean it has to out right match its opponents but it can't go over 120 on their price(avraging out the 360/WII price makes for a 300-400 or 350-400 range from there you cant go over 520 tops if you do it will only damage sales) the high end crowd seems to fear a price drop when all it will do is open markets and and bring in game sales that could well stop the bleeding sooner..

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Jul 20, 2007 14:21)

Just the typical marketing ploy that they started using with printers many years ago. Sell the printer at a lose and SOAK them on ink and accessories. This gets people in that couldn't afford it but then they make even more money down the road then if they just sold at normal pricing. MS was upset at the original XBox being used as a Linux server because the people were not buying software and it took several software sales to make up for the lose in the initial purchase.

Comment by: cd-rw.org (Jul 20, 2007 14:25)

ZIppyDSM,

With 45 seconds spent googling around, I couldn't confirm if MS has already hit break-even with Xbox 360 hardware. If they have, then good for them - original Xbox made losses all the way, but as mentioned earlier. Even though Sony is spread around various industries, their financial problems and losses have been in the news regulary. If you know anything about the corporate life, they do care about the financial results of different business groups and not just the total figure for the whole corporation.

It will be interesting to see how far can the Wii boom carry. It is a cheap machine and technologically more comparable to Xbox or PS2 (which is still selling like pancakes). I have the feeling that at some point people will demand HD content, but I have been wrong before :)

And if Sony can drop the PS3, hell great! I have not yet bought one, but most likely will during 2008. Of course the economics of scale will help them on the long run. I just don't consider PS3 that expensive. It contain crapload of high end technology and it is sold below manufacturing costs. When PS2 first arrived to Finland it cost FIM3290, which is roughly €550 - I didn't hear anyone crying back then. And €550 back then was a whole lot more than it is now, due to inflation.

Comment by: tru003 (Jul 20, 2007 19:09)

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Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Playstation 3 is equal to Intel Pentium 4 as Nintendo Wii is equal to AMD Athlon 64. AMD proved that it's not all about clock speed and ghz, and Nintendo is doing the same thing in the console race. The difference is, Intel was able to ship new product to takeover for it's flagship processors, whereas Sony is kinda screwed, and needs to stick with the PS3 for years to come.

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HUH???
I'm sorry SProdigy but you cannot compare Intel and AMD to PS3 and WII.

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Mmmm if there were only WII and PS3 then the WII would be intel because it did well long ago and had a hard time keeping up with ADM,now the WII/intel has out maneuvered ADM, but CPUs are a bad exsmaple because there is no 3rd wheel....

It seems to some sony fans dismiss the WIIs sudden dominance and refuse to see the PS3 for the high end game machine it is,face it the PS3 will never return to where the PS2 was its to late,all they can do is lay a foundation that will make it 2nd to the WII in consoles and above the 360 in high end gaming/entertainment.

Now if Zony finally realizes its place in the world and sets the PS3 350 or lower price point it just might reclaim its proper throne(and no even if the 360 was 100 it would not do much better because of the lack of diverse 3rd party support).

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HUH??
Zippy I came to the conclusion that you dislike the PS3 (360 too) with a passion. It seems every time there is an article based on PS3 (or 360) you have something to say. Alright you are in love with the WII and that's fine. As I stated before the WII is just like a fad. Everybody gets excited for awhile and then you hear nothing about it later on down the road. The technology is outdated and the only thing they have going for them is the little controller. Last time I checked it was called AMD. Correct CPU's are bad example. Man, what is up with the hatred? If you enjoy the WII, PS3, and 360 okay why get into heated arguments over companies that do not give a lick about none of us. Just enjoy the games.

Comment by: DancingWD (Jul 21, 2007 04:01)

Well here are my 0.02$ - Are there any good jRPG games for PS3 at the moment? none that i'm aware of so I'm surre there will be noticeble increase of ps3 sales once FFXIII hits the stores ( Well I'm buying one then :D ) also I asume there are a lot of jRPG fans out there that just wouldn't know what to do with ps3 if they bought it now.
FF aside I'm also waiting for Star Ocean 4, maybe Valkyrie Profile 3 and I'm sure Ps3 will have LOADS of other jrpg's (good and bad but jRPG ... not many of those on xBox360).
But I must admit I'm really afraid of Wii's market dominance - dev's might shift to it and then .. no games for ps3 (or worse some - badly ported games).

Comment by: salsa36 (Jul 21, 2007 16:32)

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The numbers are somewhat surprising as Sony has traditionally done well in Japan and around Asia, handily beating its rivals

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Wii is just more fun to play.

It is surprising how many people don't care about high resolution.

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The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005

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Asians support asian products, as simple as that. They will choose between Wii and PS3 nobody else.

Comment by: salsa36 (Jul 21, 2007 16:38)

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The numbers are somewhat surprising as Sony has traditionally done well in Japan and around Asia, handily beating its rivals

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Wii is just more fun to play.

It is surprising how many people don't care about high resolution.

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The Xbox 360 continued to die in Japan, selling only 420,000 since 2005

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Asians support asian products, as simple as that.

They are going to choose between Wii and PS3 nobody else. We are naive we want the best to win.........

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jul 21, 2007 20:29)

cd-rw.org
From what I have seen and read MS has broken even on unit per CURRENT unit sales this is coarse is without the red ink from building the brand and the current fail rate scandal.

I feel the WII boom will carry for half if not most of this gens supposed cycle (till 011-012), so the WII will be a hot item for the next 2 or 3 years and as I see it the sooner the PS3 get under 400 the sooner the WII boom will end MS sure as heck cant sale as well as the WII can but sony easily could if it was in the 350-450 range.

Personally 600 is not out of the question but I hate spending more than 300-400 on anythign game wise since gaming has become so damn mediocre or I have become a jaded old fart LOL
I look at world sales and pricing and I think that if the PS3 dropped to under 500 USD world wide it would start selling like the WII or at least double whats its selling now.



tru003
yes enjoying the games can be good,but I was merely pointing out some facts that the fans on either sides don't want to talk about.
BTW I don't have a WII yet,I am not happy with its BWC or VC its ok even a bit better than the others but they kinda want top dollar (10$ for N64 game,2-5 for nes) for very basic emulation add to it lack of any button customization for WII,GC,VC games.....the WII has been inventive the other "shoe" if you will is thats its meek innovation at best,they really could have made this thing prefect they they just put a bit more effort into it(save states,graphic tweaks,speed hacks for emluation and full pad customization for WII,GC,VC).


DancingWD
meh most RPGs are suffering a bit to much from mainstreaming now adays FF12 is hella weak 10 was not much better at least it far from the joke 8 was,I love RPGs but wheres the fun in poor or watered limited equipment and skills I can take a bad story but the game play has to at least keep me awake...