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Comment by: hade (Apr 04, 2007 12:42)

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Looks like the Sony fanboys are coming out to play... Anyways, I advise everyone to READ the article again, look at those percentages 82 percent, that's a very high number and can't be ignored. That is a huge problem for Sony weather fanboys want to believe it or not (it's fact). Numbers don't lie, clearly the PS3 is rediculously expensive and not worth the price tag for the current crappy game line up they have. As many analyst have been saying Sony may have shot themselvs in the foot. How many more signs do people need to know that the PS3 just might be a failure like the Sega Dreamcast weather you want to belive it or not. Also, to those saying Microsoft is a joke in realeasing the Elite, at least Microsoft gives you wayyyyyy more options at lower prices (Core=$299, Premium=$399, Elite=$479) to get into the next gen gaming, I think that's a good thing not a bad thing.

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actually if one where to hold all things constant and assume that sony did not put out any more ps3s the week following launch, there would have inevitably been a decrease in the volume of sales as there would not have been the same allocation available for sale. basically meaning if you have 100 units available and 75 are sold the first day, the most you can sell the 2nd day is 25. so depending on how one looks at it, this would be a percentage drop in sales. 75% sold the first day, and only 25% the second day. in this example the item soldout entirely, but the sales percentage decreased the 2nd day and was to be expected. i think its clear that most of this has to do with how easily i/we can curve and interpret numbers.

here is something most probably don't take into consideration. 2nd week sales of any console generally decrease dramatically and almost always drop to ZERO! the big DIFFERENCE here that most seem to be blindly overlooking is the point that sony launched with a far greater amount of units. the ps3's initial luanch week already surpassed 360 sales during its launch MONTH. that is quite a bit of consoles made available from day one that no other company was able to do, well atleast not m$. i don't know much about nintendo as im not too interested in the wii.

i think the sales for that 2nd week for the ps3 were roughly around 30,000 units, and as i mentioned above and where i went to school, 30,000 is certainly better than ZERO no one can sell or buy something that isn't made available.

something that could support my logic but...well read this quote and even though it doesn't fully support my thinking it does lead me to believe that my thoughts are plausible.

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Unfortunately, Chart-Track said it would not release comparable figures for Xbox 360 or Wii sales, which would add some context to the figures. Figures for previous week two console launches are unreliable due to the usual shortages problem.

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i guess the only fair way to look at things would be taking into account that all 3 companies launched their units with the SAME NUMBER of UNITS during the same TIMEFRAME. that didn't necessarily occur so let the feuding and fanboy rants continue...

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Apr 04, 2007 12:53)

Zippy is just over reacting a little as we all do from time to time. I have many friends with 360's and none of them have had problems with their 360's. Now that's not to say 360's don't have their problems, they do, anytime you put a new product on the self for the first time you will have unforeseen problems to deal with. It is almost impossible these days to fully regression test a product and even the revamped Wii has had its issues just like the PS3 will, that doesn't mean its bad necessarily.

I will buy a PS3 if they lower the price to the rest of the world just for the BD player which will mean I'll get a free gaming console as well. The bottom line is that they haven't sold well in the US, they have a surplus, and after the hard core PSx people bought in the UK sales just dropped off the map. I also have heard that the software MFG's are staying away from the console because they don't have the market for them, so lets face it Sony screwed the pooch big time on their new console. That seems simple enough don't you think...

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 04, 2007 12:56)

hade
double post much?
or I am in the bottle again 0-o(like apaper sack,I can never find my way out :P )


anyway ya its looking like its true the more I read and read in between the liens the more it seems reasonable,but after the games they both play I tend be very skeptical and I am also a idiot with hairy breath :P
LOL

its gettign to the point I don't care abotu the price anymore I want sony to double nay triple its efforts on BWC, game will come will come in time but I don't see a huge diffrances in the offerings 360/PS3 yet.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 04, 2007 13:07)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Zippy is just over reacting a little as we all do from time to time. I have many friends with 360's and none of them have had problems with their 360's. Now that's not to say 360's don't have their problems, they do, anytime you put a new product on the self for the first time you will have unforeseen problems to deal with. It is almost impossible these days to fully regression test a product and even the revamped Wii has had its issues just like the PS3 will, that doesn't mean its bad necessarily.

I will buy a PS3 if they lower the price to the rest of the world just for the BD player which will mean I'll get a free gaming console as well. The bottom line is that they haven't sold well in the US, they have a surplus, and after the hard core PSx people bought in the UK sales just dropped off the map. I also have heard that the software MFG's are staying away from the console because they don't have the market for them, so lets face it Sony screwed the pooch big time on their new console. That seems simple enough don't you think...

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Mr-Movies
allite?!?!? when the 4 guys I know IRL have troubles with thier 360,2 rmas had to be ram'd and the 6 close online friends 5 had troubles with theres and 2 of them had to rma the rma and I know at least 2 people that had to do it 3+ times so this leads to the fail rate is more 10-20% its enough to say WTF is MS doing,at least they are tryign to help by extending the warranty.

As for the PS3 I think Sony's arrogance in delays and gettign the system out made devs jump that and the lack of games has hurt it more than the price, sure the price will effect sales but the games are hurting it the most.

1.lack of games
2.price
3.delays
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The arrogances both MS and sony have when jacking the price up in other areas is also a issue I am well aware of vats and stuff but multi national corporations that can ship anythign anywhere cheap do not need to pad the price 30 or 40% ontop of a vat.....

Comment by: hade (Apr 04, 2007 13:41)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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hade
double post much?

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your seeing things, i think someone had too much tea today ;-) i did change something, so your not going crazy....yet

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 04, 2007 13:47)

hade
I swore I saw the post above mine or in a diff thread ><

*toss my eyeballs away,turns around and walks off a cliff*
0_o

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: handsom (Apr 04, 2007 14:35)

While I'm proned to point and laugh, since I hate Sony; I'm not doing that right now. Sony is in their initial lull, it happens to all of them. The question is how quickly they pull themselves out. With *80* games scheduled for release in Q2 on the Nintendo Wii, it's a sure sign that companies can pull out of that lull quickly. The question is how fast will Sony do it? How quickly can they get their killer franchises in full form on their new platform? R&C Future is looking good, and while I'm not a fan Killzone has a lot of fans drooling; but Sony will need to hold on to their exclusives better, they're almost turning the way Nintendo did years back basically saying "We don't need third party, we're good with our own ip"... And that's not true for any company. They're expressing that they don't need exclusive games to stay on top, and while I think they've got a hugely successful franchise; I also think they're foolish to think that losing exclusivity with franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Grand Theft Auto won't hurt them - Those are system sellers.

Really, their current sales don't mean they're failing, it's just a good chance to see how quickly they turn it around... And that's coming from someone who's pretty anti-Sony.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 04, 2007 14:45)

Originally posted by handsom:

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While I'm proned to point and laugh, since I hate Sony; I'm not doing that right now. Sony is in their initial lull, it happens to all of them. The question is how quickly they pull themselves out. With *80* games scheduled for release in Q2 on the Nintendo Wii, it's a sure sign that companies can pull out of that lull quickly. The question is how fast will Sony do it? How quickly can they get their killer franchises in full form on their new platform? R&C Future is looking good, and while I'm not a fan Killzone has a lot of fans drooling; but Sony will need to hold on to their exclusives better, they're almost turning the way Nintendo did years back basically saying "We don't need third party, we're good with our own ip"... And that's not true for any company. They're expressing that they don't need exclusive games to stay on top, and while I think they've got a hugely successful franchise; I also think they're foolish to think that losing exclusivity with franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Grand Theft Auto won't hurt them - Those are system sellers.

Really, their current sales don't mean they're failing, it's just a good chance to see how quickly they turn it around... And that's coming from someone who's pretty anti-Sony.

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Pretty much Sony I see hitting that 4rth wall Nin did with the N64,Sony needs games and untill then needs to polish BWC so that people can update their system but play their old games,BWC is huge but the corporations fail to understand it and walk away from it damaging themselfs with ever step.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Apr 04, 2007 15:43)

Why people are comparing numbers ? its to early for all this crap can people at lease look at the fact that both console are still young & has not dig deep yet to show there true potential.If you look both systems now i would say the PS3 is built for the long haul.I don't see how 360 can offer any more than what they have in the last 7 or 8 months trying to respond to Sony.People have a problem with PS3 price i understand but let not mix reality with a gaming console because you feel that the price is high some people dismiss the system is crazy because of your income level if you can afford a Premium 360 then you can afford a PS3.Also there to many tread point out issue with both system some people on this site need to wakeup every system going to have its issue neither going to be problem free.As a console owner i worry able how fast console maker can fix the issue.That why i think what Microsoft statement released a week ago promise that they would have you system back to you in a week is huge,I wish Sony did this because it takes them a month before you see you system(PS2 but PS3 might be the same).

Comment by: navsav (Apr 04, 2007 18:57)

Everyone seems to talk like this is blueray vs. HDDVD. its not like one of tehse systems is going to drop off the face of the earth. Sony, nintendo and MS will always be doing what they are doing and compete against eachother for a long long time.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 04, 2007 19:06)

Originally posted by navsav:

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Everyone seems to talk like this is blueray vs. HDDVD. its not like one of tehse systems is going to drop off the face of the earth. Sony, nintendo and MS will always be doing what they are doing and compete against eachother for a long long time.

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more like Nin vs. MS vs. Sony...hehehehe
and I bash them all :P
LOL



....god I need a life :P

Comment by: Sandwich1 (Apr 05, 2007 06:41)

I guess you're right at what you're saying ZIppyDSM. ..I should now all about 360s breaking, I'm on my 4th.

Comment by: BUDDD (Apr 05, 2007 12:26)

I'll be waiting for the price to drop to the price theyre sold for in the US. If it doesnt drop , I wont be buying.
Us in the UK get fleeced left right and centre and it seems to me that people are voting with their wallets... ;)
Tough luck Sony , we're not all the saps you thought we were..

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Apr 05, 2007 12:28)

I can see why your not pleased with the 360 given your friends track records I'd be B*tch'n too, that's horrible. I have at least 10 friends with 360's and none of them are having major problems and just love their consoles. I'm waiting until at least the Elite settles down before getting one myself, I hate paying big money to be a test bunny but understand why so many do.

You also have to realize that there are some people that break anything they touch, so even though some are having problems is it self induced? I know that there are several problems with the new console so I'm not suggesting that everyone is screwing up their machines, but it does happen. I'm also not directing this at any one person it is just a generalization.

So if you are bashing all does that make you B*tch'n.... :D

Comment by: oofRome (Apr 05, 2007 14:43)

For the record, I have yet to meet someone personally that has had 360 overheating/diskeating issues.

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the 360 hardware issues are a nightmare and much more than the 3-5% MS claims they would not have to extend their warranty to a year if it was a "normal" issue

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If it was a "normal" issue, Microsoft wouldn't extend the warranty until they had a system that would outlast the warranty. Companies don't put a year warranty out on a system that they think will break down in 2-3 months. The warranty hardly proves or disproves wether the 3-5% figure is true, but it does prove that MS has confidence that their systems will now last at least a year.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 05, 2007 15:07)

Mr-Movies
Meh I thinks its more 60/40 (40 to bad) than anything else its enough to make me hesitate but the newer 65Nm CPU in the slightly redesigned 360 will nip the hardware issues in the bud finally.

well the hardware issues are something to worry over however it and the incomplete Hdef support tied with the wapeing of BWC are the 360's weakness's I would have had a 360 by now if it did BWC right but no they had to dck with it... I am putting off a PS3 till maybe Xmas of next year if Sony even thinks of dropping BWC support a inch they are on my btch list >>


oofRome
only a year :X
*L*


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Much like the old PS2 issues is not the end of the brand or the world but it gives you pause and helps you understand what issues might pop up when you have the system

I am all abotu buying used and saving money as much as I can to spend it on stuff I like,Unless I can build a 360 from parts for 180 I think I'd be better off jsut buying new when they fix the issues I am worrying over.

the 360 is a solid system I hate the online needs money and the the BWC was waped from it but in all its pretty good for what ti offers,the PS3 will be so too in time.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: oofRome (Apr 05, 2007 15:58)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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oofRome
only a year :X
*L*

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Well considering the ps2 is still sporting a 3-month warranty, I'd say that it's pretty standard. The ps3 is under a 1-year warranty, as is the PSP, Wii (which is also available for a 90 day extension on top of that), DS, and that is all I care to look for now.

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Apr 09, 2007 12:22)

Very good point Zippy, your right the 65nm mask takes much less power therefore less heat and longer MTBF so it's better to wait which is exactly what I'm doing as well. And I would also prefer 1080p as you would so it will be the Elite for me.

I still am hoping for a drop in the price point in the US for the PS3 since it would be nice to have the BD player as well as game play. What Sony doesn't seem to understand is that even if they loose money at first they will make it up down the road. The path they are on now could cost them big if software providers pull out because of a lack of market.

There should be a minimum of 1 year warranty on a gaming console, 3 months is not adequate. But you know that gives the retailers a window to push their extended warranty which they totally make out on.

For those of you who don't know what MTBF is: Mean Time Before Failure

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 09, 2007 14:50)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Very good point Zippy, your right the 65nm mask takes much less power therefore less heat and longer MTBF so it's better to wait which is exactly what I'm doing as well. And I would also prefer 1080p as you would so it will be the Elite for me.

I still am hoping for a drop in the price point in the US for the PS3 since it would be nice to have the BD player as well as game play. What Sony doesn't seem to understand is that even if they loose money at first they will make it up down the road. The path they are on now could cost them big if software providers pull out because of a lack of market.

There should be a minimum of 1 year warranty on a gaming console, 3 months is not adequate. But you know that gives the retailers a window to push their extended warranty which they totally make out on.

For those of you who don't know what MTBF is: Mean Time Before Failure

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from my understanding the white premiums of this fall will offer everything the elite dose but minus the 120HDD and it will definalty have a 65nm CPU unlike the elite witch at this point might not have them.


As for the PS3 I think the price is wrong that combined with the failed 20GB they really should have just done the 60GB at 450 or 480 trying everything they can to keep in under 500 without losing Hdef or BWC now the PS3 is waffling to a BWCless and "let us contenuie" future while not as blind as MS sony has/is making some rather annoying mistakes.

Comment by: Sandwich1 (Apr 09, 2007 16:23)

The fall elites won't have a HDMI port will they?..cus I'm not sure..

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 09, 2007 19:29)

Sandwich1
with the HD being at least 100 I dont see them putting that in the but updated chipset with new CPU I can see that however if they dont its not a huge loss since it is handicapped to start with.

Comment by: handsom (Apr 10, 2007 16:34)

HDMI was confirmed for elites, they *might* be standard when all the 65nm processor systems get released, but not the current model systems. But that's iffy. Also notable, the elites are not going to have the new 65nm processors, at least not yet.

I'm torn, because mine is one of those nearly 100% of launch systems that isn't working anymore... But I still plan to replace it. I just want to see if I can get a two or three year warranty, so that I don't have to worry about it breaking eight times over.

I'm not pleased with the quality, but let's not forget that Sony's PS3 is just out of the starting gate, and has plenty of time to try and 'catch up' to M$' pathetic numbers. lol. After all, PS2s had a less than glorious reliability record, I'm shocked that mine personally lasted nearly five years, but then again, it saw much less use and better care than normal.

I think it's a good idea to get a warranty no matter what you choose, I even got one on my Wii, and anyone who's followed game systems knows that Nintendo has ALWAYS built em' rock solid, these things always last at least five good years at least. If you've got a good warranty(I'm going to start checking for 2-3 year warranties, some places do them), it doesn't really matter how often the system can break, so long as you can get it home before it does so, lol.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 10, 2007 20:11)

Originally posted by handsom:

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HDMI was confirmed for elites, they *might* be standard when all the 65nm processor systems get released, but not the current model systems. But that's iffy. Also notable, the elites are not going to have the new 65nm processors, at least not yet.

I'm torn, because mine is one of those nearly 100% of launch systems that isn't working anymore... But I still plan to replace it. I just want to see if I can get a two or three year warranty, so that I don't have to worry about it breaking eight times over.

I'm not pleased with the quality, but let's not forget that Sony's PS3 is just out of the starting gate, and has plenty of time to try and 'catch up' to M$' pathetic numbers. lol. After all, PS2s had a less than glorious reliability record, I'm shocked that mine personally lasted nearly five years, but then again, it saw much less use and better care than normal.

I think it's a good idea to get a warranty no matter what you choose, I even got one on my Wii, and anyone who's followed game systems knows that Nintendo has ALWAYS built em' rock solid, these things always last at least five good years at least. If you've got a good warranty(I'm going to start checking for 2-3 year warranties, some places do them), it doesn't really matter how often the system can break, so long as you can get it home before it does so, lol.

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*pounce noogies*
where you been hiding?
I miss your witty ranting ^^

how long did it take for the 360 hardware issues to be known 6 months?
so far the PS3 is just havign a time with bad pricing and poorly thought out "lite" system...and games....and online.....but then MS has a plague of its own :P

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.

Comment by: oofRome (Apr 11, 2007 22:22)

To add fuel to the fire:

http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=7261&...ld+in+UK+by+Wii

UK sales this week
Wii: 25000
PS3: 17000
360: 11000

Comment by: plazma247 (Apr 12, 2007 16:47)

Buddy thats no fuel, thats a potential abomb of forum flame wars about to go off.

heeh