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Comment by: Billyfett (Jul 22, 2005 22:40)

This is starting to be funny!!

I post a bunch of parent adult blah blah.

Then some very thought full retorts.

Then "Please tell me hoe to watch very poorly produced polygons do it with their clothes on!!"

Mik3h

You make a very good point, about some teens being able to handle the mature content. I am guilty of palying and watching mature stuff as a kid. Some can handle it and some can't.

I have not done the cheat but have seen pics and they are extremly POOR!

Comment by: Earlacey (Jul 22, 2005 22:44)

Well, my 2 cents. And isn't that what out little forums are for? But anyway...

Rated M - Not "recommended" for anyone under 17.

AO - Basically anyone over 18 right.

So everyone one with an "agenda" needs to take a deep breath, step back, look at the world we live in and just shut up.

Let's think about some real issues that aren't so easy to point a finger at or get up on a soap box about.

To all parents out there. Take an active roll in your kids lives. You can't blame retailers or video game makers if something falls into you kids hands that was never meant to. An to expound, if you have a child or young adult they perpetrate some horrible or stupid act and you think it is because of a video game then you are an idiot and you raised and idiot!

Personaly, I think GTA sucks. It's just a crappy game for some many reasons. Rockstar created a market for something that really wans't there. And regardless of there end result of that, good for them.

I think reality TV is a bigger social ill than video games could ever be. But we live in a country where the populace sees a flash of Janet Jackson's nipple and never one loser their bloody minds. But it's perfectly OK to auction off marriage on reality TV, it is completely OK to gut and mutilate women with plastic surgery and then watch them suffer for "entertainment."

No matter what the outcome of any game I have played. It was never a real persons pain, humiliation, shame or embarrassment.

But hey that is my 2 cents....

Comment by: 1pcdoc (Jul 23, 2005 02:49)

the people in our country should keep their eyes open and remember what the Congress and the Senate soul when the next election comes up they should get out there and vote I have lost a brother in the war that we are fighting now so to all the other people they had brothers like I have lost maybe everybody should keep their eyes open and ears and remember what is happening now because it seems like every time won election comes around everybody forgets about the past thank God George W. cannot get back into office again the way this is keeping up with the war somebody should look into how many casualties and we actually lost and people got hurt then match it with Vietnam so people think about what we do before we do it and we should think about what we say to people before we speak it so goodbye for now

Comment by: kyletoff (Jul 23, 2005 02:51)

Whats the difference between the hot coffee mod and the nude patch for DOA alive extreme beach volleyball?

I mean both were created by a 3rd party who illeagaly modified the software. SO does that mena DOA extreme beach volleyball should be AO to? I think not because niether of the to games companies intended there games to be used that way even if it was originaly in the source code it was still locked and not intended for anyone to see. I dont think they should make rockstar change the rating I think they should just enforce more strict ID polocies when underage people are buying games. Thats my opinion and Im 15 years old.

Comment by: hyper11 (Jul 23, 2005 07:26)

My 5 year old plays it, he doesnt know nor do I how to do the "cheat", he knows it is just a game and he knows just like movies itis not real. As for a the talking heck his mother says more than that to me.

He see's more killing on the news than in the game!!

He just like's the driving around and the police chasing him.

Anyone parent wanting to get rid of the game seen it to me.

Comment by: Mik3h (Jul 23, 2005 07:48)

Read The Forum Rules Before Posting.

Now everyone has access to your email..

-Mike

Comment by: S2K (Jul 23, 2005 07:51)

billyfet, Jasper,

I agree there are many lazy parents. but there are some of us parents who are not lazy. ratings systems are far from perfect, but I dont think it is a scandal that gta sa has been changed to ao

Comment by: lajr1980 (Jul 23, 2005 07:56)

LOL @ this thread.

Comment by: hyper11 (Jul 23, 2005 08:33)

My email is public as it is a business so I dont hide it!

Comment by: jpp01uk (Jul 23, 2005 09:04)

@hyper11

keep digging then mate, the hole is getting bigger

if its a business then your advertising on Afterdawn which costs money, so i think you should remove it before a mod removes you :)

and if you want the whole universe of spammers to have your email leave it there, the usual penis enlargement emails will be on there way to you very soon

Comment by: spooky2k (Jul 23, 2005 09:40)

Rockstar got what they deserved. I lvove GTA so am in full support of them makign the games. But to undermime the ratings system takes a damn stupid decision or two. What did they think would happne?

Its not a question of whihc age group can handle the content, or what amoutn of computer knowledge one needs to access teh mod, but a question of:

Theres a body out there who tries to let everyone know what they are buying by giving it a rating based on teh games content, which is told to them by the game producer. This body has become a standard for doing this, and poeple appreciate ratings. Rockstar ignored this standard and thought themselves above the ratings system on this one. They're rediculously stupid, and i'm glad they've been made an example of.

IN this case, Rockstar are theones who spoilt it for everyone.

(especially denying the accusation in the first place!)

Dan x

Comment by: hyper11 (Jul 23, 2005 12:29)

Good point jpp01uk, I dont need a penis enlarger so I took your advice.

thanks again

Comment by: moonslash (Jul 23, 2005 18:34)

Well im 14

and i live in holland

Nobody cares about the children here

Exept for couple of parents

my mother cares about me

she explaint me all about sex and stuff

i dont worry i can play gta sa if i want

when shes near she even plays gta with me

my point is

at my school the most kids smoke weed

some drinking alcohol

i know some kids that are not virgin

and they can stay outside like 1 hour night

and those parents doesnt know or do anything

about it

kids that smoke from 11

their parents know

and doesnt say a thing

my friends always say fuck and all

im not like that anyways

but what i wanna try to say is

that there are even parents who know about this

but doesnt do ANYTHING about it

nothing changes if its AO or not

Comment by: Billyfett (Jul 23, 2005 19:10)

It seems the time to be a child is gone.

There is no barrier between childhood and adulthood.

OK kid you not crapping in your shorts anymore,

here's a dvd player, a game console NOW get out of my face

I was much happier when I was not a parent.

Comment by: Rudeboi (Jul 23, 2005 22:32)

I understand the AO restriction...but that doesnt stop parents for buying it for the kids...i mean...it WILL reduce sales...but some parents will buy it, and also get an adult on the street to buy it, i mean kids do it with cigarettes, they ask adults to buy it for them, now its against the law, but not with games it isnt, i think making a rating doesnt do anything, i dont even look at ratings when renting games, i pick it up and rent it and thats it.

AND parents should know how their kids act by the same they start getting into video games, i mean come on, if your a parent, you should know your kid, if your one of the parents that neglict their kid and bribe then with video games, then your child could probably be one of the kids on the street shooting. If you know your kid acts a little crazy and immates gun shooting and like toy guns, DONT buy the game for the kid! if you know your child is responible and wont go out killing, then buy them the game, its a form of entertainment, not to get kids to kill, almost EVERY game has violence, even those, E rated games, what does it say on the back? Animated violence or whatever, violence is violence no matter how you put it, doesnt video games keep kids from outside? dont they get games like GTA when their mad and take it out on the innocent people IN THE GAME? and oh yeah, and didnt child crime rate drop in the past few years?

Dont blame rockstar and such game makers, blame the modders, rockstar has NO power whatsoever to what happens to their games, it is not a cheat MADE by the game makers, they is done entirely from someone else!

This is the stupid just like the lawyer trying to put the ban on The Sims 2 because when modded, they can take away the destorted bars on the sims bodies.

Comment by: Rudeboi (Jul 23, 2005 22:36)

Oh yeah and for the "hot coffee" patch/mod, dont they have their clothes on? i've seen pictures of it, and they had their clothes on having sex, i mean come on, they're not even naked!!!

Comment by: lazibratt (Jul 24, 2005 03:37)

Still, some kids still play it. My cousin who's 10 plays it (it's his favorite game) and he learned so many cuss words from it. One time he called me his b*tch. Man, did i get mad! First I lectured him and then I threatened him then I punished him (I made him exercise XP ). and he also thinks that killing a police will solve any problem and also stealing a car is as easy as it is in that game. I tried to tell him but he won't listen to be because "I'm a girl". His sexist uncle taught him that girls are pathetic. GOSH, he's the pathetic 30+ year old uncle who has no job, lives with his mom, and has an online gf who is countries away. Video games do influence kids. It should get banned b/c it can still be downloaded off the net and given to kids!

Comment by: Billyfett (Jul 24, 2005 11:08)

It is sad to hear that your Uncle lives like he is 17 years old. He needs to mature. Noticed how I said MATURE. Some kids are mature enough to play GTA, but a loser who lets a 10 year old play is an fool.

I know of more stories like this.

People like Clinton are trying to stop this from happening. For the most part I disagree with Hillary but some attention needs to happen with this area of entertainment. The Gaming Industry needs to police it self better or the goverment will step in.

Parents really need to pay attention. Political figures see this as an opprotunity to :

1. Do something for the country.

2. Get attention to further their career.

I think most people do not realize that most laws passed to protect the weakest section of the population.

Again, if Parents paid attention to their childerns behavior things may be different.

Comment by: Mik3h (Jul 24, 2005 18:39)

Even so, some parents don't need to monitor their behaviour so much, because they can be mature enough to look after themselves to an extent, AND play the game without thinking anything of it.

-Mike

Comment by: cazer (Jul 25, 2005 03:39)

im 28 and have a 3 and 4 year old. i like to have fun and i have friends that are around 18 19. but my kids come first. i know what i did when i was younger and i know my kids will do there thing. but its all about how the childern are raised. i have these games and my childern are not aloud to play them. or watch movies that i have. i believe people are waiting to long before they have childern. say late thirtys and fourtys. and they just dont want to take the time to take a bigger part in there childerns lifes. we as parents need to say what are kids watch and play not the goverment. they should be taking care of other things. and as for the rerating what is the differnts in the ages of 17 and 18. nothing but 365 days.

Comment by: drassface (Jul 25, 2005 12:03)

@lazibratt

sounds like you cousin needs diciplin from an adult (ie. his obviously ineffective parents) not a little rating sticker from the ESRB on his computer games (which was probably brought for him by the afore mentioned adult figurehead). I personally do not see the need for someone else to tell me what is and isnt good for my children (probably because I take an active roll in educating my children and play an active part in my childrens lives) there is no way I could possibly monitor them all the time and can just hope that they have learned by my example (which is the best any parent can do short of locking them in the basement) now tell me how exactly that little rating sticker helps my child???

Comment by: GrayArea (Jul 25, 2005 14:53)

jizzmopr- "...a right-winged communist." That's a new one! "Polygons having sex..." Dude, you have the gift. Oh, and don't get caught out in the rain. ;-)

Comment by: nickberry (Jul 26, 2005 09:14)

post removed due to stupidity of content...

Comment by: S2K (Jul 27, 2005 21:28)

bound to happen:

NEW YORK (AP) -- A woman upset that she bought the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" for her 14-year-old grandson without knowing it contained hidden, sexually explicit scenes sued the manufacturer Wednesday on behalf of consumers nationwide.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/fun.games/07/27/game.lawsuit.ap/inde...

Comment by: Mik3h (Jul 29, 2005 06:41)

There is a post by Achilles3 , I think he has a good point there.

Quote:

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Umm first of all, the game is not uncensored out of the box. You need to find the patch, like the article says and apply it to remove the censor. I seriously think the ESRB was over-reacting. And the old woman needs to die already. How dumb is she? The game is rated "M" and she bought it for her 14 year old grandson? Rated M means 17+.. now how responsible is she? Dumb b*tch. I guess she failed at trying to make a quick buck off Michael Jackson so now she's trying with Rockstar. Sorry, this article really upsets me.

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-Mike