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Comment by: xboxdvl2 (Sep 08, 2010 06:30)

its only a video game.I use to live with a war veteran and when i was playing medal of honor if i had the volumn too loud i'd see him hiding in the backyard and jumping around.ducking when he heard gunshots on the game.eventually i showed him it was only a game and not a real war and he was more relaxed.

Comment by: 07anto07 (Sep 08, 2010 10:09)

wtf this is mad

Comment by: kikzm33z (Sep 08, 2010 15:46)

It's a game.

Comment by: 07anto07 (Sep 09, 2010 11:02)

so this will be released in Ireland then?

Comment by: dippers (Sep 09, 2010 14:01)

What does a teenage Afghan lad make of this discussion? He has maybe seen seen his father, brother or sister killed by American soldiers. But the game is a problem because it shows American soldiers being killed by Afghans!! Very Bad!! Afghans killed by Americans....Very Good!!! What a load of nonsense. Is the game banned in Kabul because it shows images of American soldiers killing Taliban?

It's time a little maturity was shown about what war actually is and does to people whether they are white or brown or if they wear rags or strong helmets.

We are all human. We are all brothers. We are all heading in the same direction no matter what stupid religion we have been brainwashed into accepting. We are all the same.

Comment by: Zeveroth (Sep 09, 2010 15:12)

First and Foremost, I served in the US Army for 2 years before being injured and discharged. Although the Iraq war had not started yet. I was part of the Kosovo Conflict. I joined in 1999. We were there to drive out the Yugoslavian forces and stop the bitter conflict. Unfortunately we did not quite complete the mission before departure but my point is that I would have and still do play war games. I can not get mad b/c people have a choice whether or not to play a American soldier or a Taliban soldier. I extend my deepest sympathy to MRS. Meredith for her loss, but to say that this game has anything to do with her son and any other "real life" soldier is just ridiculous. We as a nation are forgetting that there are boundaries between fiction and non fiction. this game pushes those boundaries, maybe, but it is a game for the love of god. We need not get too serious with it. I, on the other hand, do agree that selling this game ON a military installation could bring moral down b/c some soldiers may take offense to the option of being the enemy combatant in a current and ongoing fight. Yet others may agree that it is a very good training tool. If we play it over lan or the net, soldiers may in fact use it for training after hours. What better way to train than to have your buddy play the "ruthless enemy" and you play the "All American Soldier". A fire fight would ensue and with your buddy attacking you like the Taliban, you would have to make the right decisions to survive, just like in real life. I hope this clears up soon b/c I am disappointed with MRS. Meredith's comment on the "retry" issue.

Comment by: babelfish (Sep 09, 2010 15:20)

Originally posted by wiseguy0:

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I always thought "Modern" Warfare 2 was lame because you were still fighting the Russians. That's not what's in the news these days. I'm glad the Medal of Honor team has the cajones to push the envelope and make a true modern war game. As for playing as the Taliban, does anybody playing Modern Warfare think, "I'm a member of the SAS shooting Marines!" I don't even know what the hell an SAS is. We just shoot the other team for fun. People are not idiots and they are not shooting your loved ones. It's just a game.

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the SAS are the special boat service. the elite british troops. they were fighting in ww2 when the yanks were still hiding for all those years.

the SAS are still up with the best in the world - if not the best. they often work under cover. i guess they are like your green berrets but without killing all the babies

Comment by: LM2008 (Sep 09, 2010 17:53)

I know there's a lot of ignorant game fanatics who don't give a damn of their soldiers and don't respect them or the vets, but besides a i don't think this is the first game depicting talibans and USA or any other ally in a game. I remember Delta Force.

Comment by: bogwart16 (Sep 09, 2010 18:31)

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the SAS are the special boat service. the elite british troops. they were fighting in ww2 when the yanks were still hiding for all those years.

the SAS are still up with the best in the world - if not the best. they often work under cover. i guess they are like your green berrets but without killing all the babies

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I am no a fan of the US but I see no reason why you should start slagging them off out of context.

And you should stick to what you know - The SAS is the Special Air Service, which has a branch called the SBS - the Special Boat Service.

They always work under cover and would have no problem "killing all the babies" if that was the order. They also help to train many other country's special forces including those of the USA.

Don't insult other people from a position of ignorance.

Comment by: ddp (Sep 09, 2010 18:50)

2nd that.

Comment by: senator29 (Sep 09, 2010 21:29)

Term and concept of "taliban" was created by the USA.

It is a game!

Comment by: bigredbus (Sep 09, 2010 21:53)

Originally posted by davidike:

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Personally id rather play as the Taliban so i can enact revenge for all the innocent people that the USA & UK troops have murdered in Iraq & Afghanistan and then covered up and classed these murders of civilians, as insurgents to justify the illegal wars & occupations paid for by the citizens of the USA & UK via the tax you pay!

maybe this is what the USA is fearing ppl re enacting revenge for their murderous ways and brain washing through video games!

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Afghan War Diary, 2004-2010
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

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I don't usually comment on AfterDawn posts; most of the time the posted comments are quite good and on the mark. However, you sir, are the exception. You appear to have an "extremely" uninformed mind. Your writing is pure emotional nonsense! I suggest that you temporarily stop posting for about one year and read; learn about American, European and Middle Eastern history
Good luck to you!

Comment by: FredBun (Sep 10, 2010 03:15)

Originally posted by babelfish:

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Originally posted by wiseguy0:

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I always thought "Modern" Warfare 2 was lame because you were still fighting the Russians. That's not what's in the news these days. I'm glad the Medal of Honor team has the cajones to push the envelope and make a true modern war game. As for playing as the Taliban, does anybody playing Modern Warfare think, "I'm a member of the SAS shooting Marines!" I don't even know what the hell an SAS is. We just shoot the other team for fun. People are not idiots and they are not shooting your loved ones. It's just a game.

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the SAS are the special boat service. the elite british troops. they were fighting in ww2 when the yanks were still hiding for all those years.

the SAS are still up with the best in the world - if not the best. they often work under cover. i guess they are like your green berrets but without killing all the babies[/quote
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I can't believe I'm reading this, I can't believe that AD even is letting this go on, I have my own views about this thread, had some agreements and some disagreements go on in my head till I read this nitwits post.

I served in the Vietnam war for two years, My unit was the 1st Special Forces Group, yes Green Berets, what the hell are you talking about, what are you some snot nosed kid sitting behind your PC that played a bunch of war games, read some propaganda books or heard some nitwit stories by others under your intelligent level, making that kind of statement is so far fetched and also absolutely ridiculous.

Your lucky I'm not a mod, or better a staff member, I would love to visit you personally and throw a permanent ban your way. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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Comment by: Jemborg (Sep 10, 2010 07:17)

Originally posted by Dardandec:

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Originally posted by elk1007:

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The idea of any war game is that it involves two opposing nations or groups killing each other in hopes of gaining control of land or resources.

This is a game about a recent and ongoing war. The opposing groups just happen to be US soldiers and members of the Taliban. This in no way endorses the actions of the Taliban, nor does it endorse the actions of American troops. This is a game in which you kill other human beings.

There's nothing wrong with allowing someone to play as the enemy force. No, K. Meredith, your son doesn't get to "retry" because he was killed in a real war and not on a video game. What does this say about video games? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Very few people who play video games believe that they reflect reality and that you can "retry" in real life. Should we ban Mario? Clearly people might think you could fall in lava and just "retry" in real life? No, you imbecile, nobody is that stupid e.e

The fact is that ignorant soldiers and those tied to the military service think it's just to censor media that they don't like. It wouldn't matter if the video game PROMOTED sympathy for the Taliban. As long as it's rated M for Mature, only adults can buy the game. As such, the adults who play the game are fully capable of deciding for themselves who they choose to support and what they wish to believe. Video games are just like other media: books and films are a way to spread ideas. When we censor media, we censor thought. Censorship leads to bigotry. If you'd like to censor opposing ideas, I know just the organization to join :P





Adding this, from NYT:

"That is obvious, but Mr. Brown, perhaps inadvertently, pointed the way to a more subtle and broadly revealing thought about how we represent and humanize our real-life adversaries in popular culture when he invoked one of the classics of 20th-century literature. “I guess this is the same reaction that readers had when they opened ‘All Quiet on the Western Front’ and read about a squad of German infantrymen in World War I,” he said.

Mr. Brown was probably trying to make the point that video games are held to a different, higher standard than books. That is true, but it brings to mind the fact that “All Quiet,” both as a book and as a film, was quite important in helping to undemonize Germany in the interwar period. “All Quiet” helped establish the idea among Americans that the Germans were an essentially honorable foe and that all men at arms ultimately have more in common than politicians would have us believe. "

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Wow, Fantastic speach, my thoughts exactly, elk1007 has hit the right note here, well done

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I whole heartedly agree... great post Elk.

Originally posted by Amak:

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Originally posted by davidike:

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Personally id rather play as the Taliban so i can enact revenge for all the innocent people that the USA & UK troops have murdered in Iraq & Afghanistan and then covered up and classed these murders of civilians, as insurgents to justify the illegal wars & occupations paid for by the citizens of the USA & UK via the tax you pay!

maybe this is what the USA is fearing ppl re enacting revenge for their murderous ways and brain washing through video games!

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Afghan War Diary, 2004-2010
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

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Please take your anti-war rhetoric somewhere else.

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So pro-war rhetoric is ok? Whether you agree with him/her or not he/she is entitled to his/her opinion ~ it's not off topic.

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Elsewhere, some people here seem to be forgetting that this is an international site.

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The makers of the game have to set up for multiplayer. That's just the way it is ~ everyone is mostly bored with WW2 scenarios.

Still, as a proud Aussie I'd like to see one based on Tobruk. My old man was there. That was the first time that Germany had been defeated in battle in that war. AND it was Rommel's ass we kicked too (not a SAS or Green Beret in sight). :)

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: FredBun (Sep 10, 2010 14:59)

(not a SAS or Green Beret in sight). :)
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Of course there wasn't a Green Beret in sight, there was no such outfit during WW2, maybe a little less game playing and a little more reading you might have known this.

Comment by: babelfish (Sep 10, 2010 15:05)

he is right tho. games are so american-centric, especially ww2 games. you would have thought the USA was a major player in ww2 and not the side that came in in injury time ;)

canada, UK, australia etc all played massive parts in the war

btw - dunno what i was thinking when i said special boat service lol. my bad. the SAS were initially setup to win 'hearts and minds', basically getting the locals onside to help. this worked very well for many years.

Comment by: Jemborg (Sep 10, 2010 21:59)

Originally posted by FredBun:

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(not a SAS or Green Beret in sight). :)
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Of course there wasn't a Green Beret in sight, there was no such outfit during WW2, maybe a little less game playing and a little more reading you might have known this.

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Don't be so sensitive Fred ~ I knew that. I was just joking. Chill out.

Read much on Trobuk mate? I have. I have a right to be proud of my old man's achievements. It's a big deal in my country regardless of whether you think that the first time that ANYBODY ever had defeated the Nazi's is significant... and they did it with bugger all resources, against Rommel no less. What's more they held Trobuk the whole time they were there... for months and months. Rommel thought they were the best soldiers he ever fought against... much to Hitler's chagrin.

To top it off, the Pom's don't even acknowledge the Aussies were at El Alamain ~ and my old man was in the front line!

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: davidike (Sep 10, 2010 22:27)

it all comes down to mind control by th Americans as per usual, its ok to depict us murdering innocent people but as soon as its the enemy of our government (not the countries citizens) its not allowed.

our weapons kill to the sound of angels, remember its only terrorism when THEY do it!

Comment by: FredBun (Sep 11, 2010 04:05)

I wouldn't joke about mis-statements like that, history is either fact or it's not history at all, if you say your Dad is what he is I'm sure his veins would swell reading some of this crap on this thread, he I'm sure would not be in any mood to be chilling out, there are so many miss-quotes on this thread it's unbelievable.

As much I as I agree or disagree on the use of this game doesn't matter, you have the right to use it any way you want, that's what America is all about, try having or playing a game in some talaban or al-qaeda country anybody killing them and watch how fast murdering and terrorism start unlike the statement before me made by some goofball, than again it's his or her right to be one here in the States, let him make a reverse statement like that e.g. in Iran etc. and see how far that little comment gets him.

And I guess the people that perished at 9/11 were not innocent, we also don't go stoning women, beheading people, blowing up kids in schools because they don't like the education, cutting off women's noses or throwing acid in their faces because they complained about their husbands beating them or executing people on some bogus charges. Were no where near perfect, but yet I have to read how terroristic we are, don't like living in whatever free country you are living in and I'm assuming this davidike is other wise he would probably be be-headed by now using his free speech if he lived in some non-free country, so I say if we here in our countries of democracy and we are such terrorists go over to the other side, I'll even buy you a ticket.

And last Jemborg, tell your Dad I said Thank You for his service in maintaining our freedom.

Comment by: Jemborg (Sep 11, 2010 06:07)

I'm sure he would appreciate it if he was alive Fred.

You do know this is a Finnish site.

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: davidike (Sep 11, 2010 11:55)

the blocking of soldiers playing this game is just mind control and propaganda from the USA government, remember its only terrorism when they do it, we have the white hats on!

"political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, & to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind." George Orwell



@ FredBun

do you really think its your way of life ppl from these countries (not religions) hate?

maybe its the American foreign policy of torture, murder, coup d'etat's, propping up dictators, funding genocides, etc, maybe you should read some history books say about panama or the philippines for instance, and realise that the American military is nothing to do with protecting you! America is the biggest exporter of terrorism on this planet & its no wonder ppl want to attack that country, America was even PUBLICLY funding the IRA in the 60's, 70's, & 80's, to attack the UK, and probably still do!


America's list of terrorism
http://www.islamawareness.net/WarCrimes/American/list.html

If You Want to Stop Terrorism (Prof Noam Chomsky)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0eiPiuUuk

American War Crimes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNbWB5UIfeU

USA Murders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

US used white phosphorus in Iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4440664.stm

Why did the UK government tolerate American funding of IRA terrorism?

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...19063341AAFT8pk

the list of war crimes from the USA is endless, but its because you drink beer and eat pork that civilians take up arms against the USA eh FredBun!

Comment by: FredBun (Sep 11, 2010 13:43)

You know what, I'm gonna do something here I never do, I try to be gentleman like, I always try to give anybody the benefit of dought, I never try to lose it, this time and I don't give a shit if I even get banned.

You can take your bullshit rhetoric and shove it up your ass, you have not properly read anything I wrote, I'm not even gonna try to change your ways, your already lost and maybe one day you might properly think things out, for now this is the last statement I'm writing on this, I don't need any more of your bullshit, what you need if your a kid is a spanking and if your older than a slap upside your head maybe than it might clear some of that waste you got in your head, your a disgrace to any freedom loving people, thank the man upstairs we are writing and I am not facing you, what I would do would make me the asshole, but damn it would make me feel better.

This thread has gotten out of control, more than likely I'll be the one in trouble here, and mods please don't delete none of this, you wanna ban me go head but please make sure this creep reads this.

Comment by: ddp (Sep 11, 2010 17:14)

fred, don't worry.

davidike, 1 more word out of you on this thread & i will ban you. read the forum rules as no talking about politics.

Comment by: Jemborg (Sep 11, 2010 18:46)

Originally posted by ddp:

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fred, don't worry.

davidike, 1 more word out of you on this thread & i will ban you. read the forum rules as no talking about politics.

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They should BOTH be warned. I did not like in this instance having a ad hominum personal shot taken at me from someone who decides to play miss the bleeding point and attack over what was an obvious joke in the light of previous comments on the thread.

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: chanulus (Sep 12, 2010 05:25)

Originally posted by davidike:

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Personally id rather play as the Taliban so i can enact revenge for all the innocent people that the USA & UK troops have murdered in Iraq & Afghanistan and then covered up and classed these murders of civilians, as insurgents to justify the illegal wars & occupations paid for by the citizens of the USA & UK via the tax you pay!

maybe this is what the USA is fearing ppl re enacting revenge for their murderous ways and brain washing through video games!

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Afghan War Diary, 2004-2010
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

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yes because wikileaks is such a nonpartial source of information...