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Comment by: hulud86 (Nov 26, 2008 08:16)

Yes i think it would be a smart move too but Sony said that the rumors are not true. Although the source is anonymous, i just don't think it will happen.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171498

Comment by: angel218 (Nov 26, 2008 09:19)

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Comment by: emugamer (Nov 26, 2008 11:05)

Originally posted by hulud86:

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Yes i think it would be a smart move too but Sony said that the rumors are not true. Although the source is anonymous, i just don't think it will happen.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171498

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They will say it's not true until they are blue in the face. They have to. Since when has a company actually fessed up to a rumor? If there is a rumor, then there is a possibility. Look at the history of these companies when it has come to rumors - just the news articles on aD alone. I would say that 70% - 80% of the time, MS and Sony fessed up rumors they vehemently denied. Oner put it nicely - if it were true, they can't fess up to it. It would have a big impact on holiday sales.

Comment by: hulud86 (Nov 26, 2008 11:40)

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Yes i think it would be a smart move too but Sony said that the rumors are not true. Although the source is anonymous, i just don't think it will happen.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171498

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They will say it's not true until they are blue in the face. They have to. Since when has a company actually fessed up to a rumor? If there is a rumor, then there is a possibility. Look at the history of these companies when it has come to rumors - just the news articles on aD alone. I would say that 70% - 80% of the time, MS and Sony fessed up rumors they vehemently denied. Oner put it nicely - if it were true, they can't fess up to it. It would have a big impact on holiday sales.

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You're very right. Nintendo denied the DSi a few days before they released it in Japan. This needs to happen, Wii and the 360 are like half the price. I personally think March is too soon for them but we'll see i guess.

Comment by: kikzm33z (Nov 26, 2008 16:15)

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Price cut is really unnecessary. I know, I know, the economy thing but the it's a bargain for the price Sony is offering. I'd like a price cut though, the Xbox360 fan boys will go crazy!( not a sign to start flame war :o ) Plus, I'd like to see hardware sales go up.
Question - IF Sony does do a price cut in March, why not just cut the price in December?

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Fanboy= consumer saying pricecut is unnecessary.
Its not that great of a bundle when you look at it. Overpriced technology put into a gaming console that is at best on par with the competition, thus driving up the price of a gaming machine.

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No, I'm not a fanboy. If I were to get a 360 before the pricecut, I'd say price cut. I would've got an Elite and it costs a lot before the cut. If I was a fanboy I'd say:

'noooooo ps3 0wns n0 n33d f0r st00pid pricecut just b3c4us3 360 n3rds cant afford ps3'

I say it shouldn't have a pricecut because IMO, the Blu-Ray player itself makes it a bargain. Lots of people disagree but I think that it's a valid reason.

Comment by: snowlock (Nov 27, 2008 02:18)

they really need an actual price cut, but i don't know if they'll do it.

i also agree: saying "doesn't need a price cut" = fanboyism.
i'm totally biased in favor of the ps3,
and it certainly needs to have its price changed.
competitors are outselling them at more than $100 cheaper here,
and most people seem to feel there's no good reason to spend more for it.

Comment by: kyo28 (Nov 27, 2008 12:46)

Originally posted by snowlock:

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they really need an actual price cut, but i don't know if they'll do it.

i also agree: saying "doesn't need a price cut" = fanboyism.
i'm totally biased in favor of the ps3,
and it certainly needs to have its price changed.
competitors are outselling them at more than $100 cheaper here,
and most people seem to feel there's no good reason to spend more for it.

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I agree that a lot of consumers tend to think like that. However, at it's current price, the PS3 is good value for its money, considering you get one of the better blu-ray players as well as good DVD upconversion and support for many codecs. I think the problem is that a lot of consumers just don't realize that by paying more, they are indeed also receiving more value (speaking from a hardware point of view).

Comment by: Globe08 (Nov 27, 2008 13:49)

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Price cut is really unnecessary. I know, I know, the economy thing but the it's a bargain for the price Sony is offering. I'd like a price cut though, the Xbox360 fan boys will go crazy!( not a sign to start flame war :o ) Plus, I'd like to see hardware sales go up.
Question - IF Sony does do a price cut in March, why not just cut the price in December?

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Fanboy= consumer saying pricecut is unnecessary.
Its not that great of a bundle when you look at it. Overpriced technology put into a gaming console that is at best on par with the competition, thus driving up the price of a gaming machine.

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I see what your saying and your opinion is just that but my point is Blu-ray hasnt proven its worth in value to the most and for good reasons. Its overpriced, not enough of a leap in technology to justify that price. It looks better and thats about it. To maximize it or even get close you need to come out the pocket heavy i.e get or have 7.1 surround sound, not sure if they come with hdmi cable but probably not so you'll need one of those,a 1080p t.v, the movies are hella pricey unless your amazon.com'ing it up. All that said its not a bargain in my[i][/i] opinion. Not knocking yours but you should elaborate on what makes blu-ray tech so worth it.

No, I'm not a fanboy. If I were to get a 360 before the pricecut, I'd say price cut. I would've got an Elite and it costs a lot before the cut. If I was a fanboy I'd say:

'noooooo ps3 0wns n0 n33d f0r st00pid pricecut just b3c4us3 360 n3rds cant afford ps3'

I say it shouldn't have a pricecut because IMO, the Blu-Ray player itself makes it a bargain. Lots of people disagree but I think that it's a valid reason.

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Comment by: akkuma (Nov 27, 2008 14:18)

anyone who thinks they dont need a pricecut is foolish. every gaming console gets one eventually, and im sure they dont like "not being number one" in the gaming console war.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Nov 27, 2008 14:45)

Originally posted by akkuma:

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anyone who thinks they dont need a pricecut is foolish. every gaming console gets one eventually, and im sure they dont like "not being number one" in the gaming console war.

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Sony just gave 2 price cuts last year(which Nintendo & Microsoft didn't do) how many more do they need like most members are saying the system value is worth the price & some people completely ignore that.Sony really don't care about being number 1 which is a good thing.No console on the market now has a better value than the PS3.

Comment by: snowlock (Nov 27, 2008 15:29)

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anyone who thinks they dont need a pricecut is foolish. every gaming console gets one eventually, and im sure they dont like "not being number one" in the gaming console war.

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Sony just gave 2 price cuts last year(which Nintendo & Microsoft didn't do) how many more do they need like most members are saying the system value is worth the price & some people completely ignore that.Sony really don't care about being number 1 which is a good thing.No console on the market now has a better value than the PS3.

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they haven't actually cut the price at all in my book.
they made the thing cost $100 less by removing $100 worth of equipment,
(the ps2 emotion engine cpu present before the price changed)
then they removed all backwards compatibility and dropped to one sku.

none of that counts.



i can agree that it is the best value, but most people don't want that.
what they want is something to play video games on, but for less money.

Comment by: emugamer (Nov 27, 2008 16:55)

Bottom line is, no matter how HQ the system is, if they want to stay competitive in the market they are in, they need to cut the price. Having the best blu ray player on the market only appeals to someone who wants the best and is willing to pay the price for the best. The majority of people don't understand blu ray at all and may just be looking for something to replace their DVD players for sub $150 USD.

A kid who wants a PS3 may show his parents the pricetag, who will in turn tell them that the 360 is $200 cheaper, and reason that they can wait until a standalone blu ray player and blu ray movies become cheaper. The kid is not going to start rattling off specs. He wants a next-gen system to replace his Wii or whatever, and if his parents are willing to get either one he will be happy. That $200 saved can go toward a couple of good $60 games.

Someone in that position isn't going to care about an expensive HQ blu ray player, when blu ray movies are substantially more expensive than DVD's. Not everyone has the time or really cares to search online for cheaper deals on movies. I know a lot of people who don't trust buying used online (I buy all used, but heck, I've been screwed on Amazon more than once). Who are these people? Well, take a walk in Best Buy and watch the people who crowd around the DVD section. Yes, people still buy movies from B&M stores. Why? I honestly don't know, because I never do anymore, and haven't for about 6 years now. Everything is online for me. But there are people who just go to these stores, and they see the pricetag on a DVD and compare it to the blu ray equivalent. That's what tells them that it's not worth it to buy an expensive HQ blu ray player.

Everyone who has commented on the quality and value of the PS3 is preaching to the choir. But they haven't really taken the time to discuss how the majority of the outside world (the world outside aD tech junkies) will impact sales. They really are the majority.

Just my opinions.

Comment by: Globe08 (Nov 27, 2008 19:18)

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anyone who thinks they dont need a pricecut is foolish. every gaming console gets one eventually, and im sure they dont like "not being number one" in the gaming console war.

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Sony just gave 2 price cuts last year(which Nintendo & Microsoft didn't do) how many more do they need like most members are saying the system value is worth the price & some people completely ignore that.Sony really don't care about being number 1 which is a good thing.No console on the market now has a better value than the PS3.

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they haven't actually cut the price at all in my book.
they made the thing cost $100 less by removing $100 worth of equipment,
(the ps2 emotion engine cpu present before the price changed)
then they removed all backwards compatibility and dropped to one sku.

none of that counts.



i can agree that it is the best value, but most people don't want that.
what they want is something to play video games on, but for less money.

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I completely agree they didnt give price cuts. its not a price cut when you modify the product.

Comment by: Globe08 (Nov 27, 2008 19:29)

Originally posted by emugamer:

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Bottom line is, no matter how HQ the system is, if they want to stay competitive in the market they are in, they need to cut the price. Having the best blu ray player on the market only appeals to someone who wants the best and is willing to pay the price for the best. The majority of people don't understand blu ray at all and may just be looking for something to replace their DVD players for sub $150 USD.

A kid who wants a PS3 may show his parents the pricetag, who will in turn tell them that the 360 is $200 cheaper, and reason that they can wait until a standalone blu ray player and blu ray movies become cheaper. The kid is not going to start rattling off specs. He wants a next-gen system to replace his Wii or whatever, and if his parents are willing to get either one he will be happy. That $200 saved can go toward a couple of good $60 games.

Someone in that position isn't going to care about an expensive HQ blu ray player, when blu ray movies are substantially more expensive than DVD's. Not everyone has the time or really cares to search online for cheaper deals on movies. I know a lot of people who don't trust buying used online (I buy all used, but heck, I've been screwed on Amazon more than once). Who are these people? Well, take a walk in Best Buy and watch the people who crowd around the DVD section. Yes, people still buy movies from B&M stores. Why? I honestly don't know, because I never do anymore, and haven't for about 6 years now. Everything is online for me. But there are people who just go to these stores, and they see the pricetag on a DVD and compare it to the blu ray equivalent. That's what tells them that it's not worth it to buy an expensive HQ blu ray player.

Everyone who has commented on the quality and value of the PS3 is preaching to the choir. But they haven't really taken the time to discuss how the majority of the outside world (the world outside aD tech junkies) will impact sales. They really are the majority.

Just my opinions.

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I couldnt have said it better. All the above information is incredibly true and from a non-bias opinion. Most people are either wanting a gaming console or they want the best of the best. To me the people who want the best of the best will spend more money to buy the best standalone blu-ray player and get the best gaming console which to most gamers is the 360 when it comes to games and graphics. Clearly the wii is tearing up the competition but people who feign blu-ray dont buy that way(the wii) they arent the same consumer. Then theres the people who want just the game console and price and prefence will usually lead them to the cheaper 360 and or wii.Sony has seemed to put themselves into a tough spot. They have been put into what is called the "market decoy".

Comment by: SProdigy (Nov 28, 2008 05:08)

If market demand ever slows for the Wii, a Nintendo price cut (along with surplus of the machine) would be the kiss of death for either MS or Sony.

As it stands, the Big N actually MAKES money from the Wii, something that MS and Sony can only do by retooling the design of their console or waiting for internal parts (such as Blu-Ray drives) to drop in cost.

Nintendo figured out how to engage the consumer this round, and it also helps that their system can be hacked six ways from Sunday. Until Sony drops (or loses) their big brother DRM schemes and luxury price tags, I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for the PS3 just yet.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Nov 28, 2008 09:42)

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anyone who thinks they dont need a pricecut is foolish. every gaming console gets one eventually, and im sure they dont like "not being number one" in the gaming console war.

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Sony just gave 2 price cuts last year(which Nintendo & Microsoft didn't do) how many more do they need like most members are saying the system value is worth the price & some people completely ignore that.Sony really don't care about being number 1 which is a good thing.No console on the market now has a better value than the PS3.

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I think most people just want to play games. Blueray is only good for movies at this time so i dont see paying all the extra money for a PS3 just to play my friends in Madden 09 that looks identical to the version on xbox360. Blueray player are a lot cheaper now and this is about competition between 3 consoles so PS3 has to come up with some type of price break eventually to remain competitive.

Comment by: pomelo (Nov 28, 2008 14:33)

Why not cut the price now? Sony would get more holiday sales if they cut the price now.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Nov 28, 2008 15:16)

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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If market demand ever slows for the Wii, a Nintendo price cut (along with surplus of the machine) would be the kiss of death for either MS or Sony.

As it stands, the Big N actually MAKES money from the Wii, something that MS and Sony can only do by retooling the design of their console or waiting for internal parts (such as Blu-Ray drives) to drop in cost.

Nintendo figured out how to engage the consumer this round, and it also helps that their system can be hacked six ways from Sunday. Until Sony drops (or loses) their big brother DRM schemes and luxury price tags, I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for the PS3 just yet.

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DRM has nothing to do with it look at Sony software sells they killing MS & Nintendo so i beg to disagree.Nintendo didn't engage the customer they just had a lower price point & right now times are hard so people are going with the cheaper price not what a console offer to them as a gamer.Hacking a console might mean better console sells but as we all know the big three make the bulk of there money off software sells & this is really being over looked right now because everyone looking at console sells which bringing money but nowhere near like software sells does & PS3 is making alot of money off that right now this is why we didn't see a price drop.

Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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I think most people just want to play games. Blueray is only good for movies at this time so i dont see paying all the extra money for a PS3 just to play my friends in Madden 09 that looks identical to the version on xbox360. Blueray player are a lot cheaper now and this is about competition between 3 consoles so PS3 has to come up with some type of price break eventually to remain competitive.

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I'm tired of people saying this went they haven't done any research.As it stand right now most games PS3 is the lead platform why because the PS3 has alot more to offer than 360 as we have seen games like FF & The Last Remnant are going to be lesser quality than PS3 because of muti disc.As we are starting to see compression is killing some of MS future games so stay tuned.

Comment by: kikzm33z (Nov 28, 2008 17:43)

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I think most people just want to play games. Blueray is only good for movies at this time so i dont see paying all the extra money for a PS3 just to play my friends in Madden 09 that looks identical to the version on xbox360. Blueray player are a lot cheaper now and this is about competition between 3 consoles so PS3 has to come up with some type of price break eventually to remain competitive.

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Blu-Ray discs that can be used for the PS3 can hold 50GB, you know that right? If you're a 'hardcore' gamer and is willing to pay lots of money for a great gaming system, PS3 it is. With 50GB, you can do a LOT. The other competing consoles can't hold 50GB on one disc, so this is one of the reasons I bought one and think another few million PS3 owners bought it because of the Blu-Ray discs.

Comment by: Globe08 (Nov 29, 2008 14:05)

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If market demand ever slows for the Wii, a Nintendo price cut (along with surplus of the machine) would be the kiss of death for either MS or Sony.

As it stands, the Big N actually MAKES money from the Wii, something that MS and Sony can only do by retooling the design of their console or waiting for internal parts (such as Blu-Ray drives) to drop in cost.

Nintendo figured out how to engage the consumer this round, and it also helps that their system can be hacked six ways from Sunday. Until Sony drops (or loses) their big brother DRM schemes and luxury price tags, I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for the PS3 just yet.

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DRM has nothing to do with it look at Sony software sells they killing MS & Nintendo so i beg to disagree.Nintendo didn't engage the customer they just had a lower price point & right now times are hard so people are going with the cheaper price not what a console offer to them as a gamer.Hacking a console might mean better console sells but as we all know the big three make the bulk of there money off software sells & this is really being over looked right now because everyone looking at console sells which bringing money but nowhere near like software sells does & PS3 is making alot of money off that right now this is why we didn't see a price drop.

Originally posted by lxhotboy:

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I think most people just want to play games. Blueray is only good for movies at this time so i dont see paying all the extra money for a PS3 just to play my friends in Madden 09 that looks identical to the version on xbox360. Blueray player are a lot cheaper now and this is about competition between 3 consoles so PS3 has to come up with some type of price break eventually to remain competitive.

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I'm tired of people saying this went they haven't done any research.As it stand right now most games PS3 is the lead platform why because the PS3 has alot more to offer than 360 as we have seen games like FF & The Last Remnant are going to be lesser quality than PS3 because of muti disc.As we are starting to see compression is killing some of MS future games so stay tuned.

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I think its some of you guys with your facts way off base. MS killing the competition in software sales for this console war. The NDP releases these numbers once a month so why you would assume people wouldnt argue you on this point im not sure. To this point the games sony has used the most space on arent their top sellers so the space just isnt needed. MGS, and heavenly sword were amongst the top 2 space consuming games. A large percentage of games that are multiplatform are lead in sales by MS i.e Madden every year,call of duty series,Gta series. I could go on but with no purpose cause clearly your misinformed. Gamepro,afterdawn,teammxbox all released the attachment rate showing MS leading and nintendo in second and sony in a DISTANT 3rd.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Nov 29, 2008 22:36)

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I think its some of you guys with your facts way off base. MS killing the competition in software sales for this console war. The NDP releases these numbers once a month so why you would assume people wouldnt argue you on this point im not sure. To this point the games sony has used the most space on arent their top sellers so the space just isnt needed. MGS, and heavenly sword were amongst the top 2 space consuming games. A large percentage of games that are multiplatform are lead in sales by MS i.e Madden every year,call of duty series,Gta series. I could go on but with no purpose cause clearly your misinformed. Gamepro,afterdawn,teammxbox all released the attachment rate showing MS leading and nintendo in second and sony in a DISTANT 3rd.

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That's the problem right there you go to gamepro & afterdawn(no offense)& teamxbox who is really slow at getting news & get there news from other sites they don't report news or have any insiders.....lol Do more research because i see your still stuck on what happen a year ago.Look at the software sells the last year & Sony has killed both Microsoft & Nintendo.Not counting PSN has just as many member as XBOX Live with 6 million less console sold.


This figure is since launch:

Software Attach Rates for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii Calculated

Gamasutra pulled together a rough and ready numbers piece today, shunted from a substantial and detailed feature on Nintendo's sales, and ranked the Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii according to their software attach rates.

Any surprises? Just one. The PS3 had a third-party attach rate of less than two back in late 2006, just after it debuted, but Gamasutra's chart now has it nipping at the Xbox 360's heels with more than double that figure.

2.4 - Wii

1.4 - Xbox 360

0.9 - PlayStation 3




5.2 - Xbox 360

4.4 - PlayStation 3

3.1 - Wii

Gamasutra notes these figures are for the Xbox 360 after September 2007 and the PS3 and Wii after September 2008. If you look at the Xbox 360's life-to-date ratio, or 35 months, on the other hand, Microsoft's tie ratio rises to 8.1.

You want to be careful here. High tie ratios are generally good, unless a system is trafficking unusually high numbers of units.

A console's tie ratio is equal to total software units divided by total hardware units. So say you sell 10 copies of 5 games for System A and System A sells 10 units, but you sell 10 copies of 5 games for System B and System B sells 50 units. The attach rates are going to be 5 (50/10) and 1 (50/50) respectively. System A has a much higher attach rate than System B, and so would appear to have the high ground, but System B sold just as many software units and five times as many hardware units, meaning that in this instance, System B is beating the snot out of System A.

Likewise, if you're selling very few hardware units, but lots and lots of software, your attach ratio is going to be high, while obviously failing to indicate your software platform's paltry sales, or give any indication what your install base looks like.

So who's winning? Hard to say. If you think install base matters most, then Nintendo, with some 16 million units sold in the U.S. versus 13 and 6 million for the Xbox 360 and PS3 respectively. If you think raw software sales trump all, Microsoft has around 126 million total in the U.S. versus 96 million for the Wii so far this year. Several of you might further note that Wii Sports comes bundled with Nintendo's system (15.2 million copies), so you can't not buy it, and that Wii Play is essentially free with the purchase of a Wii Remote (either of which either skew or don't skew figures, depending on your perspective).

But if you just think "who's winning" is a dull, boring, last-gen game, hear hear, and I'll see you online to play something better tonight.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...8110601561.html





These are U.S. figures with Sony beating both in Software in Japan & Eur.Sony has a higher rate for the last year i can't find that figure that was post on the net 2 weeks ago.

Comment by: SProdigy (Nov 30, 2008 13:05)

Well, the Wii is killing software sales actually. Wish I had my handy magazine here to look at, but Wii Fit, Mario Kart, etc. followed by some DS offerings such as Mario Kart and New Super Mario Bros. are constantly in the top 20. As for multiplatform, it appears that the 360 versions of games (ie. Madden) sell better than the Wii and PS3 versions.

Also I was eluding to "hacking" as to why the PS3 hasn't taken off as well. Currently the 360 and Wii are hacked to death. If the PS3 ever gets a chip or HDLoader, I bet console sales go through the roof. Just look at the DS and PSP for proof.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Dec 01, 2008 07:49)

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If market demand ever slows for the Wii, a Nintendo price cut (along with surplus of the machine) would be the kiss of death for either MS or Sony.

As it stands, the Big N actually MAKES money from the Wii, something that MS and Sony can only do by retooling the design of their console or waiting for internal parts (such as Blu-Ray drives) to drop in cost.

Nintendo figured out how to engage the consumer this round, and it also helps that their system can be hacked six ways from Sunday. Until Sony drops (or loses) their big brother DRM schemes and luxury price tags, I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for the PS3 just yet.

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DRM has nothing to do with it look at Sony software sells they killing MS & Nintendo so i beg to disagree.Nintendo didn't engage the customer they just had a lower price point & right now times are hard so people are going with the cheaper price not what a console offer to them as a gamer.Hacking a console might mean better console sells but as we all know the big three make the bulk of there money off software sells & this is really being over looked right now because everyone looking at console sells which bringing money but nowhere near like software sells does & PS3 is making alot of money off that right now this is why we didn't see a price drop.

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I think most people just want to play games. Blueray is only good for movies at this time so i dont see paying all the extra money for a PS3 just to play my friends in Madden 09 that looks identical to the version on xbox360. Blueray player are a lot cheaper now and this is about competition between 3 consoles so PS3 has to come up with some type of price break eventually to remain competitive.

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I'm tired of people saying this went they haven't done any research.As it stand right now most games PS3 is the lead platform why because the PS3 has alot more to offer than 360 as we have seen games like FF & The Last Remnant are going to be lesser quality than PS3 because of muti disc.As we are starting to see compression is killing some of MS future games so stay tuned.

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Please post some proof of games being lesser quality on xbox360 than PS3. Most graphics are about the same on both consoles so i dont see exactly what you mean nor do i see any proof that PS3 is a lead platform. Sounds more like just opinion to me.

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Blu-Ray discs that can be used for the PS3 can hold 50GB, you know that right? If you're a 'hardcore' gamer and is willing to pay lots of money for a great gaming system, PS3 it is. With 50GB, you can do a LOT. The other competing consoles can't hold 50GB on one disc, so this is one of the reasons I bought one and think another few million PS3 owners bought it because of the Blu-Ray discs.

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I am aware of the huge storage capacity of Blueray but exactly what games have benefited on PS3 d/t BR. I am not saying PS3 is not a great console. I agree with you. But just b/c it can play blueray disc, well that doesnot exactly make the games or funfactor and better on the games. You are looking at it in a way that says PS3 has more capability b/c of storage space and some say more powerful as well. Not saying it doesnot but how often have you seen the graphics blow away xbox graphics d/t BR? Capable of and what the PS3 is doing are two diff things. The Sega saturn was capable of more than the PSone but talk was cheap and thats all it ended up being was talk. The consoles are equal in graphics and gaming experience as each has it great games. Blueray has not made a big impact in gaming as of yet and that is the truth not opinion.

As for the hardcore gamers they are sticking with the 360 and PS3 over the Wii and let the point be made as i have many times that in my opinion a hardcore gamer is not made from how much they spend on a console nor graphics. Just b.c you spend more on the game or the game has better graphics doesnot make the games any better on any particular console.

Signed a guy who could care less about graphics since graphics dont make the game great. Love them but they are just eye candy. Look at the new Mega man for example. Bioshock recently released for PS3 has slightly enhanced graphics compared to the xbox version but it didnot make the game any more fun. To all PS3 owners if you have not played bioshock it is one of the best games i have ever played. I convinced two of my friends to get it on PS3 and one on xbox360 and they agree it is a new concept for FPS, expecially if you are tired of all these war and army games with weak storylines. And just for the record the only reason there is diff in the graphics on bioshock is b/c of the diff in release dates for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

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That's the problem right there you go to gamepro & afterdawn(no offense)& teamxbox who is really slow at getting news & get there news from other sites they don't report news or have any insiders.....lol Do more research because i see your still stuck on what happen a year ago.Look at the software sells the last year & Sony has killed both Microsoft & Nintendo.Not counting PSN has just as many member as XBOX Live with 6 million less console sold.

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Thats not saying much seeing as the service is free.

take a look at this view which is from not to long ago not a year like you claim and its a pro ps3 site still saying what i said was true which is sony is last in attach rate.
[url=http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/04/25/npd-releases-home-console-attach-rate-ratios-ps3-not-so-hot/][/url]

Comment by: Globe08 (Dec 01, 2008 17:57)

better yet google this"console attach rate for 2008" and see where it says ps3 is anywhere near first place in anything, then check your sources and talk to me then.teamxbox,afterdawn,gamepro all may be slow in getting there info but the 1 thing they all have in common is there intel is correct. It doesnt matter if they get it a week or a month late they all still say the ps3 is in dead last in console attach rate.