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Comment by: varnull (Feb 01, 2008 21:29)

Originally posted by ville30:

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Originally posted by aysah:

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I was like THIS close to joining in the debate that slowly emerged here and realized that it's kinda like the Special Olympics... Even if you win your still.. -ahem- so yeah, definitely an interesting article though.

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A man not willing to share his thoughts, has no thoughts worthy enough to share. A man of no worthy thoughts condemns only thoughts of others, being oblivious to all but himself.

-ville30

Now you ponder about that for a while.

It is not about winning, it is about expressing yourself. Interaction with others might help us see the light, so to speak or reinforce our own opinions. It is not about who is right or wrong, it is about finding yourself, what matters to you, how you choose to perceive the world or do you choose to be woefully ignorant to the world by only dealing with the material. While the material is important, one needs a spiritual side. We humans are religious by nature, closing our eyes from what is not and what we believe is, is a terrible crime against humanity itself.
Hehehehe I like to get carried away.

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Doctor:: And how did you find yourself this morning?

Patient:: Well I just threw back the covers and there I was

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... Commercial "pay for" software = made by software developers who want paying... see where I'm going with this?

Comment by: ville30 (Feb 01, 2008 21:54)

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Originally posted by ville30:

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Originally posted by aysah:

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I was like THIS close to joining in the debate that slowly emerged here and realized that it's kinda like the Special Olympics... Even if you win your still.. -ahem- so yeah, definitely an interesting article though.

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A man not willing to share his thoughts, has no thoughts worthy enough to share. A man of no worthy thoughts condemns only thoughts of others, being oblivious to all but himself.

-ville30

Now you ponder about that for a while.

It is not about winning, it is about expressing yourself. Interaction with others might help us see the light, so to speak or reinforce our own opinions. It is not about who is right or wrong, it is about finding yourself, what matters to you, how you choose to perceive the world or do you choose to be woefully ignorant to the world by only dealing with the material. While the material is important, one needs a spiritual side. We humans are religious by nature, closing our eyes from what is not and what we believe is, is a terrible crime against humanity itself.
Hehehehe I like to get carried away.

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Doctor:: And how did you find yourself this morning?

Patient:: Well I just threw back the covers and there I was

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I don't get it. :s

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 02, 2008 00:15)

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@Dela
I certainly don't want to start an argument. But, there are a few things i feel morally obligated to disagree with.

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children

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I know this is your opinion, but i do not believe the Bible to be a work of fiction. My Dad is a Christian minister and i have grown up immersed in Bible, theology, and religion. I will not argue that parts of it can be gruesome. But no more than watching the nightly news.

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im attacking a book, an inanimate object).

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The Bible is a book, an inanimate object, true; But, to believers, it is the inspired Word of God, and therefore carries with it a little more gravity than just another book.

As i said, i do not wish to start a fight, and i'm not attacking your opinions. Just stating as a believer, i felt morally obligated to contest those two things.

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Ah yes because non believers are sub human and there opinions do not matter... religion can be very devisesif, if the bible was not tied to religion it would be seen in a very very bad light since it spends a lot of time on punishment/torture,subjugation(on and by).

While its part of religion it should'NT be "labeled" but then again in the hands of the ignorant it can be used as a tool to subjugate and control.

(this is not a knock on faith but on petty shallow moralisim hat infects a part of religion,normally via to many elites with to much time on their hands,yes I have issues with religion/government but I have issues with most human mobs)

As for censoring media its pointless and petty because those who march in the black booted moralist army will never back down from their corrupted high ground because they do want to nanny adults.

With that said lets look at how logic and reason see the issue, you have SOME media that can be questioned if in the hands of minors (15 and under) so if one looks at this with reason and whats for the best of all one can tie the sale of mature media to minors to law ,its the quickest and most painless way to regulate it.

Example Germany and the UK, the SKU dose not outright ban a lot of titles and the funfact of the day is you can still buy them at local shops and thought he net its just out of sight of minors, the Us BBFC has issues with control they have laws that protect minors from buying mature content yet they like banning things, a system that bans anything outside illicit media(childporn,snuff films,ect) is a pompous draconian system that is unneeded in modern socity.

Its simple folks slot the media he age ranges and limit minors access to the more mature media...(if you feel like a large population of your parents are drooling idiots).

I am against censorship thats a indavendaul shtick,zipy has a saying" telling adults they can not have steak will only make more cannibals" , what I am for is precise regulation.

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Comment by: chinpark9 (Feb 02, 2008 01:21)

So, now it is enough to put the word ' Christian' in your title, and that is supposed to make you, what, honest?
As a breed, politicians are that rarest form of invertebrate, able to explain all their misdeeds as done for the public good, if only the public were to know it. And hopefully slithering away, hoping to have got away with it.
When caught with their hands in the till, those persons stand in amongst their peers to wring their hands and ask for understanding, to wit, that one from Liverpool who "employed his kids".To make amends, this fellow will give up his seat next time round. He should give it up now, and be marched directly to jail. Those people should appear in public in handcuffs.

I say this in all humility. I too, am a Christian.

Comment by: ken9771 (Feb 02, 2008 01:27)

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
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If you do not believe this, visit the following two sites, that will change your mind, that is if you have a mind!

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 02, 2008 01:47)

Originally posted by ken9771:

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
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If you do not believe this, visit the following two sites, that will change your mind, that is if you have a mind!

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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Ya even if thos sites are one sided... the bible is graphic and a lot of the pictures in it got removed by the very puritans propering it up... humans are a sick lot :P

However it is part of not a cult but a main religion hell even the side religions should not be labeled like works of fiction..it should be warped in black paper and marked with religion on it :P(I KID!)

Works of religion are just that, that are story's to inspire the flock , idiots use it as a club bu the majority of the faithful are normal people hat enjoy modern entertainment you might even meet them at the pub, even zippy understands religion is more than a child's fight ^_~.

Comment by: ken9771 (Feb 02, 2008 01:57)

In trying to bring this back to the topic, I guess
"those in glass houses should not throw stones" as the saying goes.
These idoits need to look at themselves and the evil book they
try to shove down our throats before they they go out and tell others
what they want censorship applied to.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 02, 2008 02:08)

Originally posted by ken9771:

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In trying to bring this back to the topic, I guess
"those in glass houses should not throw stones" as the saying goes.
These idoits need to look at themselves and the evil book they
try to shove down our throats before they they go out and tell others
what they want censorship applied to.

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tying to right the thread but trolling moa, yer doing itz wrong!

Comment by: UkWizard (Feb 02, 2008 04:17)

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Anyway.. who ever listens to christians..

where did I leave my lions?

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LMFAO
No more price rises please they are expensive enough already. We should follow japans ratings system...none. The way it's meant to be

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 02, 2008 04:24)

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Anyway.. who ever listens to christians..

where did I leave my lions?

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LMFAO
No more price rises please they are expensive enough already. We should follow japans ratings system...none. The way it's meant to be

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Ya....you do know they censor gore heavily on the console games ,dead rising, RE and few other titles get toned down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_En...ng_Organization

Even have a ratings board as well...

Its annoying on TV anime, censors suck....

Comment by: david89 (Feb 02, 2008 04:57)

i believe Censorship not the answer what need do just inforce the rating system allready inuse like if a games rated m then show your id or something proofs your over 17 years old or whatever.

Comment by: abyss91 (Feb 02, 2008 08:28)

Originally posted by ken9771:

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as the book is by far one of the most terrifying and gruesome pieces of fiction to ever be given to children
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If you do not believe this, visit the following two sites, that will change your mind, that is if you have a mind!

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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I visited the first page and found it rather funny since there was for example this in the site:

"If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself."

The guy who created this site might have read the bible yet understand nothing since he thinks that. It's not about reading, it's about understanding. I think that line should be more like:

"If more people would actually sit down not siding with anyone and read and understand the Bible there would be a lot more believers like myself.


And yes, I do think are some gruesome parts in the Bible too. Don't take me wrong.

I apologize for the off topic.

As for the news: I don't really think stricting the rating would do anything. Things would be much better if the parents looked after their kids and not bought some 30+ game to their six year old son.

Comment by: DXR88 (Feb 02, 2008 16:24)

all these big words make my head hurt...

in any case im not to concerned about this plague ever reaching the shores of America....

As to a religous note. i read the bible all the time, Old testiment. it is funny that alot of people read it and twist it to there will when the bible is in a first person perspective.

there was an old book called My Preacher's A Story Teller

Yes i do not forsee these Hipacrytical Laws being passed in the USA.

Comment by: varnull (Feb 02, 2008 16:39)

But they are already being passed.. all the time. The DMCA was thought up by media monopolies and Republicans.. Bush is a republican, and says he is a christian.. The christian right in US politics are behaving in an unconstitutional way, because with Bush at the helm they can get away with it..and the US public generally being sheep will follow any old nonsense.

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... Commercial "pay for" software = made by software developers who want paying... see where I'm going with this?

Comment by: 21Q (Feb 02, 2008 17:28)

Just my quick two sense about religion. Most religion either loosly follow their rules or not at all, such as most Christian religions with the statues, images, political influence, etc. Then I see a group who actually do to the letter what the bible says, the jehovahs witnesses. Besides them knocking on your door a little early in the morning they are very good people and yet I see blind hatred twords them. So you get riddiculed for doing the right thing? Just something I've wondered.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 02, 2008 20:50)

Originally posted by 21Q:

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Just my quick two sense about religion. Most religion either loosly follow their rules or not at all, such as most Christian religions with the statues, images, political influence, etc. Then I see a group who actually do to the letter what the bible says, the jehovahs witnesses. Besides them knocking on your door a little early in the morning they are very good people and yet I see blind hatred twords them. So you get riddiculed for doing the right thing? Just something I've wondered.

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because when a humble religion is passive the bigger meaner religions pick on it, human nature after all.

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http://gamepolitics.com/2008/02/02/in-fi...r-violence-sex/

Comment by: chinpark9 (Feb 02, 2008 21:04)

Not that I have anything against JW's, 21Q,you being one and all, just that, even those, given any kind of a chance at all, will be all over you, before you can take a breath. I have had that experience. First they help you with the dishes, or the gardening, or whatever little job you may be at when they come, next thing they are doing the hoovering and making your beds, and once they are inside the door, there is no getting rid of them. And I do not believe that the Lord intended for this invasion to happen.
So, truly, they are no better, no worse than any of the other pushers out there. I reckon it would be all right if they did this for a hobby, annoying other people that is, but they are dedicated meddlers.
And that is why I do not believe that they are any better/worse than those politicians who preach at you while picking your pockets.

Comment by: 21Q (Feb 02, 2008 21:57)

Unfortunately I can agree with you....

Comment by: DXR88 (Feb 03, 2008 15:23)

That and knocking on my door at 6:00 am in the morning is bound to get somebody hurt ;> ..

Bush is a Moron, sorry no love for polititions, I have my reasons.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 03, 2008 18:48)

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That and knocking on my door at 6:00 am in the morning is bound to get somebody hurt ;> ..

Bush is a Moron, sorry no love for polititions, I have my reasons.

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Zippy invites them in for tea and questions why is god wrathful and hatefull on his people that Christ sacrificed himself to save regardless if they know of him or not =^^=

Comment by: 21Q (Feb 03, 2008 20:15)

I would answer that but I dont want to escalate this debate.

Comment by: chinpark9 (Feb 03, 2008 23:18)

Aw, 21Q, go on, for all you know, you may have the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Answer, and save us the torment of thinking you know something that we do not.

Comment by: borhan9 (Feb 22, 2008 23:55)

I think that the age warnings have to be on the games however i do not think sales people ask for idea when a customer wants to buy a game whereas they have to ask for i.d if the suspect the person to be a minor.

Comment by: chinpark9 (Feb 23, 2008 00:34)

What's the word there, Borhan 9. I am no longer sure what it was we were discussing. Perhaps you would care to reason with us for a while longer, so we know what is being talked about.

Comment by: chinpark9 (Feb 23, 2008 00:37)

Sorry about this, Borhan 9. I have just realised that the discussion was about the finns and their xtian groups. I am almost certain that it was them that went out to Africa with their beads, and their stories and tried to take away the native riches against gold and ivory finds.
Maybe I am wrong.