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Comment by: Joshewah (Jan 26, 2008 08:00)

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Originally posted by ville30:

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It doesn't seem to be enough for Sony to screw up their own console but now even the godly xbox owners will have to suffer from Sony's idiocy. "Boohoo we have blu ray but our games suck." A GAMEING console is meant for GAMEING. All the other shizzle is just a nice extra. Sony really has to get it priorities straight.

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You are an ****, the PS3 hasn't been around as long as the 360, thus developers know how to code for the 360 better. Why don't you go **** your biased fan boy ****** on a corner somewhere.

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no need to be rude, well i'm a fanboy of sony but i do agree on what ur saying i'm studying computer science, once u get used to a language it gets easy, i guess the same is happening with the ps3, but they probably want to push it a little extra cuz so far ps3-360-games look better on the ps3 like the one that just came out burnout paradise, way better on the ps3 .. just facts

nobrainer up there .. i dun really think u can compare a 400$ dollar console with an at least 800$ pc. so probably a pc can beat a ps3 but what's the tag? games cost the same and pc doens't get everything all ,plus the fact that u don't have to deal with video card issues with a n specefic game or an issue regarding closed ports on the router.

so beat it pc are for shooter games cuz of the mouse and i think a ps3 accsesory just came out wich includes a mouse and keyboard(not sure saw a picture don't remember where thought)

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Opinion. I prefer a game if it is on PC because to me it is superior. In most cases the graphics are better provided you have the graphics card, the KB&M setup makes for flawless controls, and online gaming it far better and consistent than online console games. I don't find that obtaining and installing drivers to be difficult, I actually feel bad for console gamers because they don't get the opportunity that we PC gamers get to improve our graphics and game performance with simple 1st and 3rd party updates. If a console gets updates its always going to be first party and its usually a copyright scheme thats being updated, not graphics performance. This is my opinion though and I don't expect others to agree with it.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 26, 2008 08:14)

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Opinion. I prefer a game if it is on PC because to me it is superior. In most cases the graphics are better provided you have the graphics card, the KB&M setup makes for flawless controls, and online gaming it far better and consistent than online console games. I don't find that obtaining and installing drivers to be difficult, I actually feel bad for console gamers because they don't get the opportunity that we PC gamers get to improve our graphics and game performance with simple 1st and 3rd party updates. If a console gets updates its always going to be first party and its usually a copyright scheme thats being updated, not graphics performance. This is my opinion though and I don't expect others to agree with it.

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Sadly most "PC" games have become console like due to the fact they port the titles to it AFTER they build and prune them for the consoles, look at C&C 3 or Bioshock or any other once upon a time PC only title, quality in general has suffered so really the only thing you have on a PC is the ability to have better control..even if you have to rape the ini files to get it (bioshock),even cryis as well put together as it has some key bind issues but at lest its stable and not watered down of the kiddy pool.

I guess what I am getting at is that the PC only has upgradeable hardware and software to wear you can make a game better easier than on a console, but the sad thing is they don't make many "PC" games any more.

IMO the PC offers the most bang for your buck for 500 of them and can havle your software exspensinces, consoles tend to be locked and one sided and looking to "bukkuka" on the consumer personally I have had enough of short sighted 50+$ games locked 300+ hardware, I'll get the games in time but they are losing money not treating the PC as a equal player in this, hell if they would up the quality on the control(full button mapping) and let me use a KB&M when I want then thats worth 200$ to me right there putting the total price I am willing to spend on the new consoles to 300-400$.. but until they do this....I wont spend more than 200 on it.....

Comment by: ChromeMud (Jan 26, 2008 14:47)

GTAIV for consoles only!My heart bleeds for aniquated PC gamers out there.....hehehehehe.All thanks to the wonders of piracy eh!
That and having to upgrade your graphics card,drivers and fixing Vista....makes me larf :P
I was a PC gamer once,Team Fortess Classic,Quake,Counter Strike all paid for,not downloaded....them were the days.Just thinking of gaming with Vista gives me grey hairs and a migraine.

Comment by: nobrainer (Jan 26, 2008 15:53)

ppl will just use a 360 emulator, simple really, and at the end of the day who loses out, ppl that have to pirate to obtain something because of restrictions like anti consumer DRM or studios who restrict content having to pay huge amounts of cast to the likes of sony for secuROM? Hmm hang on sony make DRM they lobby for tighter rules, use scare monger tactics, omg they get money from both ends, who is benefiting exactly!

Originally posted by ChromeMud:

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GTAIV for consoles only!My heart bleeds for aniquated PC gamers out there.....hehehehehe.All thanks to the wonders of piracy eh!
That and having to upgrade your graphics card,drivers and fixing Vista....makes me larf :P
I was a PC gamer once,Team Fortess Classic,Quake,Counter Strike all paid for,not downloaded....them were the days.Just thinking of gaming with Vista gives me grey hairs and a migraine.

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unfortunately this sounds like the console makers rhetoric to justify spending $/£xx on a system to only play games when you can spend very little more and have a pc that will play games to the same quality and a whole lot of other stuff too. if ppl are so incompetent they are not able to research and READ INSTRUCTIONS, quite frankly they are a danger to themselves or are immature kids with 0 patients.

updating drivers involves knowing who made your bit of hardware and maybe google, click system info button, type dxdiag into the run command, but that's obviously far tooooooo difficult for some!

BTW. vistas lard is because of the MPAA/RIAA using the DMCA to force HI-DEF DRM into the system but XP is still ok for games or XPlight for slower PC's

Schneier: Why Microsoft Sold Out Consumers in Vista

Originally posted by hyperlink full story:

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Today, the PC industry needs Hollywood more than Hollywood needs the PC. Most consumers rely on traditional consumer electronics devices to view DVDs and TV content, but companies like Microsoft are betting on the converged digital home and desperately want a bigger piece of the media device market. Because of the DMCA, Microsoft has to get permission to build devices compatible with Hollywood's DRMed content. So when Hollywood demanded that Microsoft lard Vista with restrictions to access high-def DVD and digital cable content, the software giant was in a weak bargaining position.

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or if you prefer this one from Prof. Peter Gutmann;
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection

its all because of Drm-Ray and HDCP and HDMI all because of the big studios. apple is having to do the same, open source is being blocked from Hi-Def, what a surprise but they don't want any debuggers looking at their dubious code, i mean if it wasn't for debugging sony's xcp would still be infecting ppl's pc and sending personal data back to sony!

Comment by: oappi (Jan 26, 2008 16:06)

@ChromeMud

If you are saying you cant make pirated versions of x360 or ps3 you are wrong.. It is as easy as playing pirated pc game.

Graphic card upgrades are still better way to go than play with 5 years old hardware and graphics. Pc:s are for those who want to do creative work, not just play mindlessly. So if you just want to play with your toy go ahead. I can use my pc to make reports and do 3d modeling etc. Im sure even you have a real computer (not some old hw they call console) you use in dayly basics so why not put that ps3 money on that... most games wont require most modern cpu so if you uprage your videocard with 400 you get really bad ass machine... and games are cheaper.

If r* wont release it on pc... no worries there are plenty of other games i can go with. Im more into a multiplayer anyways and r* doesnt seem to have a talent to make decent multiplayer.. if i heard correctly they might have 4 players multiplayer on gta4.. Wow really i wonder how can i avoid all those 4 players in such a "small map"

Comment by: ChromeMud (Jan 26, 2008 17:14)

It's frankly absurd to think all console owners are kids with no brains that can't use a PC to it's full potential.
I choose to game on consoles because I can,not because it's the best,or because I'm too dumb and I'm sure there are a lot of us out there that don't want to waste all our time in front a computer.
My other half hates my computer because it gets too much attention as it is and no,I don't think it's time to upgrade her...........just yet! :P

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 26, 2008 19:31)

sorry its easier to soft mod a 360 and play ALL360s games via a back up than it is playing a new PC game with unbroken protection!

I hope the PS3 is a easily cracked!

nobrainer
there are no 360 emluators and looking at the Xbox ones.......its going to be another 5 years....

Comment by: phantasee (Jan 26, 2008 20:29)

Oh man. GTA was born on the PC. I played GTA, GTA 2, GTA: London 1969, and GTA III on the PC exclusively. GTA: SA I played on my cousin's PS2, but I don't have a gaming PC anyway.

They will port GTA IV to the PC soon enough, no worries.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 26, 2008 20:31)

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Oh man. GTA was born on the PC. I played GTA, GTA 2, GTA: London 1969, and GTA III on the PC exclusively. GTA: SA I played on my cousin's PS2, but I don't have a gaming PC anyway.

They will port GTA IV to the PC soon enough, no worries.

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after the hellof bioshock PC...give them a few months to correctly port it to PC...hen again.....epic did a wonky job on gears....

Comment by: FreqNasty (Jan 27, 2008 12:24)

Contradicts the early reports that the 360 was the cause of the delay.

That of course never made sense as the ps3 is a bitch to code for!

Comment by: FreqNasty (Jan 27, 2008 12:27)

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Originally posted by ville30:

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It doesn't seem to be enough for Sony to screw up their own console but now even the godly xbox owners will have to suffer from Sony's idiocy. "Boohoo we have blu ray but our games suck." A GAMEING console is meant for GAMEING. All the other shizzle is just a nice extra. Sony really has to get it priorities straight.

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You are an ****, the PS3 hasn't been around as long as the 360, thus developers know how to code for the 360 better. Why don't you go **** your biased fan boy ****** on a corner somewhere.

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no need to be rude, well i'm a fanboy of sony but i do agree on what ur saying i'm studying computer science, once u get used to a language it gets easy, i guess the same is happening with the ps3, but they probably want to push it a little extra cuz so far ps3-360-games look better on the ps3 like the one that just came out burnout paradise, way better on the ps3 .. just facts

nobrainer up there .. i dun really think u can compare a 400$ dollar console with an at least 800$ pc. so probably a pc can beat a ps3 but what's the tag? games cost the same and pc doens't get everything all ,plus the fact that u don't have to deal with video card issues with a n specefic game or an issue regarding closed ports on the router.

so beat it pc are for shooter games cuz of the mouse and i think a ps3 accsesory just came out wich includes a mouse and keyboard(not sure saw a picture don't remember where thought)

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hey little man have you got glasses?..seems you need em! The vast majority of games released on both 360 and ps3 look better on the 360! Go read the reviews at IGN to prove my point. I haven't seen Burnout Paradise on either system yet but if it looks better on the ps3 then it would be one of the very few that do...now that is fact!

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 27, 2008 19:14)

FreqNasty
more like around half mainly do to immature optimization code, this should not be a problem with year.

Also the 360 has issues with space witch will only get worse so meh its like being fickle over the hard liquor you drink...its all piss anyway :P

Comment by: DXR88 (Jan 27, 2008 20:31)

yes the cell processor is to blame but to put it all on the ps3 meh.

Also the 360's are getting an os upgrade that allows Page file Index support. Somthing that should speed up game development while MS decides Blu-ray OR HD-Dvd.

Somthings Fishy and i think rockstars Not telling us what the real problim is

Comment by: windsong (Jan 27, 2008 22:18)

PC version according to the french site wont be out in Europe until October. Might be out in the U.S. before then..

Comment by: bluray983 (Jan 27, 2008 22:34)

Ps3 rocks the both versions will be equal it was not delayed because of ps3, nor 360 but it was just simply not ready

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 27, 2008 23:06)

Originally posted by bluray983:

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Ps3 rocks the both versions will be equal it was not delayed because of ps3, nor 360 but it was just simply not ready

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and the reason for it is due to optimization issues on the PS3 and space issues on the 360.
:P

Comment by: 7thsinger (Jan 28, 2008 14:54)

It's good to get the fault of the delay cleared up. I was under the impression (until this article) that it was mostly the space issue for the 360. Now, i know better. :)

Either way, can't wait to get a hold of it, and play it.

Comment by: Joshewah (Jan 29, 2008 04:00)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Sadly most "PC" games have become console like due to the fact they port the titles to it AFTER they build and prune them for the consoles, look at C&C 3 or Bioshock or any other once upon a time PC only title, quality in general has suffered so really the only thing you have on a PC is the ability to have better control..even if you have to rape the ini files to get it (bioshock),even cryis as well put together as it has some key bind issues but at lest its stable and not watered down of the kiddy pool.

I guess what I am getting at is that the PC only has upgradeable hardware and software to wear you can make a game better easier than on a console, but the sad thing is they don't make many "PC" games any more.

IMO the PC offers the most bang for your buck for 500 of them and can havle your software exspensinces, consoles tend to be locked and one sided and looking to "bukkuka" on the consumer personally I have had enough of short sighted 50+$ games locked 300+ hardware, I'll get the games in time but they are losing money not treating the PC as a equal player in this, hell if they would up the quality on the control(full button mapping) and let me use a KB&M when I want then thats worth 200$ to me right there putting the total price I am willing to spend on the new consoles to 300-400$.. but until they do this....I wont spend more than 200 on it.....

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I'd have to agree with you on the consoles allowing full KB&M support. They would steal many gamers from their PCs if they would just realize this. I would probably have a 360 by now if that was the case. I would still consider my PC as my primary gaming machine, of course, especially for the original content and games that are natively meant for the PC such as Blizz and Valve games, but it would be nice to finally experience games like Dead Rising with proper controls.

Comment by: ikari (Jan 29, 2008 20:23)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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yes the cell processor is to blame but to put it all on the ps3 meh.

Also the 360's are getting an os upgrade that allows Page file Index support. Somthing that should speed up game development while MS decides Blu-ray OR HD-Dvd.

Somthings Fishy and i think rockstars Not telling us what the real problim is

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You know, they might have needed more time to test and add content. Regardless, I would rather have a game released that is coded and tested well instead of something released that was half baked. It might suck that it has been delayed but it will benefit us. I am sure if Rockstar could have released it in October they would have. I am sure they would like the money has much as us wanting to play the game. :-)

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 29, 2008 20:31)

Originally posted by ikari:

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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yes the cell processor is to blame but to put it all on the ps3 meh.

Also the 360's are getting an os upgrade that allows Page file Index support. Somthing that should speed up game development while MS decides Blu-ray OR HD-Dvd.

Somthings Fishy and i think rockstars Not telling us what the real problim is

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You know, they might have needed more time to test and add content. Regardless, I would rather have a game released that is coded and tested well instead of something released that was half baked. It might suck that it has been delayed but it will benefit us. I am sure if Rockstar could have released it in October they would have. I am sure they would like the money has much as us wanting to play the game. :-)

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there are a lot of reasons why its delyed but I am happy it is...would rather have the game finished and polished and not released as a buggy mess...

Comment by: MrXenu (Jan 31, 2008 18:22)

First i heard abotu it beign delayed because fo the 360, i always thought it was the coding for the ps3 which was why they were taking their time, and whislt they waited they were makign the360 dc packs!

Yeah its not a surprise the ps3 is clearly a peice of hardware which is too advanced for its time and peopel do not have much experiance with coding for it (i.e. the cell processor)

Comment by: borhan9 (Feb 20, 2008 00:48)

Smart decisions by rockstar this delay will make the fans happy because it is well explained and has good reason to it and now its up to the game to live up to expectations.

Comment by: lynandal (Apr 02, 2008 13:14)

odd, someone else at the top of rockstar said that this was untrue and that the the real reason for the delay was to ensure the multiplayer was brought up the original expectations. It does seem odd when you think about it that a game originally intended as exclusive to ps3 then gets delayed because the ps3 version takes longer to program for when it goes multiplatform. eh ...

Comment by: lxhotboy (Apr 02, 2008 17:56)

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no need to be rude, well i'm a fanboy of sony but i do agree on what ur saying i'm studying computer science, once u get used to a language it gets easy, i guess the same is happening with the ps3, but they probably want to push it a little extra cuz so far ps3-360-games look better on the ps3 like the one that just came out burnout paradise, way better on the ps3 .. just facts

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Are you so sure the graphics are WAYbetter on the PS3??? Some fanboys fanboys minds are so shallow that they exaggerate things and dont have enough sense to be an unbiased gamer. That sounds just about as bad as the xbots who use to say the graphics are WAYbetter on the xbox 360. I have seen recent games like Call of duty 4, Devil may cry 4 and yeah there is some diff in graphics but i would hardly call it a way better experience on one console than the other. Go to youtube and compare some of the games. The graphics are not way better on either console. They are pretty close and if some one was playing Devil may cry 4 on a tv and you walked into the room, YOU COULD NOT TELL WHICH SYSTEM THEY WERE PLAYING WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE CONSOLE OR THE CONTROLLER. Now i agree the xbox 360 has an advatage over the ps3 d/t the release date. It is easier to program for the xbox360 at this time but i also believe that sometime in the future the ps3 games will start to outshine the xbox360 but as of now no one know how much better they will look graphic wise. Just stay unbiased untill then. Once the graphics look like comparing sega saturn graphics to psx, then you can say WAY better concerning graphics.

Comment by: DXR88 (Apr 02, 2008 19:27)

Haha ill agree with that,lxhotboyHowever The PS3 Does render darks and shadows a bit better. but when your playing a fast pace action game who really looks at there own shadow or how dark the room is when there is a flicker of light,i do.

the XBox has better Flare&Glare. like when i look at a sword the reflection and dent pits are a lot better drawn out. then again who has the time to obseve the dent on the wall or there gun there shooting, i do.

But as of now there is little or no Difference between the two in graphics prowless.