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Comment by: SolShrike (May 15, 2007 19:11)

The reason why people are up in arms about the price of the PS3 is because of how high it is. Seriously, $600+ (in Canada) for a console, part of which is simply that high because it has Blu-ray? Just how many people actually have a Blu-ray player at home to watch thier movies on? The argument that "A regular stand-alone Blu-ray player costs 1500 dollars! The PS3 is a steal!" doesn't hold any water. You're still paying what would effectively be $600+ for a movie player. The Xbox360 Elite is for the hard core gamers who love to have the little details in everything... but Microsoft has the standard option which has been rocking retail shelves since it launched, which is $350 - $400 dollars depending on where you go. It really IS about price. If I have them both sitting side by side (game variety aside), you can be damned sure that myself and the majority of people are going to go with the cheaper console. NOW factor in the game selection and Xbox Live and, well, its fairly easy to see why PS3 isn't doing so well. As I mentioned before, I'm not going to even try to convince a Sony fan that something else is better... I'm just presenting a perhaps different perspective.

Comment by: djeazyg (May 15, 2007 21:08)

Originally posted by SolShrike:

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NOW factor in the game selection and Xbox Live and, well, its fairly easy to see why PS3 isn't doing so well. As I mentioned before, I'm not going to even try to convince a Sony fan that something else is better... I'm just presenting a perhaps different perspective.

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Xbox live is not that great. Matter of opinion I think. Some people think free is better.

For your “hard core” gamers price is not an issue and you have to include all the next gen consoles plus the latest and greatest PC hardware. Your hard core gamers (which I am except for the Wii) will own all of these no matter the cost so they can play anything and everything. Buy the same game twice for 2 different systems just so you can play the extra level the other system doesn't have. It's an addiction. An expensive addiction. Is $600 too much money for the PS3? Hells yea, but your hard core gamer doesn't care cause all they want to do is play.
I just can’t see why people don’t think the Elite 360 isn’t overpriced. I think the Premium 360 at launch should have all the things that the Elite has and still be $400.

There is one edge that the PS3 has over the 360. It doesn’t justify the $600 price tag but it is still an edge.…… 6 months and no failures that I have heard of. If I remember correctly the 360’s started to show problems at this point in its life.

Comment by: gallagher (May 15, 2007 21:28)

"We didn't get into PS3 for the first six months of 2007 - we're into this for the next 10 years and beyond." Uhhh . . . there is no way that the PS3 will be active in 2017. He is full of it. The mere fact that he said this shows they are desperate and will shout out lies.

Comment by: windsong (May 16, 2007 00:33)

djeazyg I agree. Xbox360 has great games but an extremely unreliable system in the long term. PS3 is a great system but no great games for 2 years at least (as compared to the xbox360). I've heard nothing but horror stories about the xbox going under even before warranty expiration dates. Can't say the same about the ps3.

Comment by: motautis (May 16, 2007 01:59)

how does the ps3 have no games?? what did the xbox have this at this time? xbox 360 got perfect dark zero, ps3 has resistance, 360 got dead rising, ps3 got motorstorm, 360 got fight night, ps3 has fight night, ps3 has nba street now, 360 didnt have that in its first 8 months, ps3 got oblivison now, 360 got oblivion in about the same time frame, ps3 has VF5, 360 had DOA4 or whatever. Now though, the ps3 has a crapload of good games coming to it throughout the rest of the year. 360 didnt have crap except for GoW and what? viva pinata???

and 10 years isnt too far of a stretch, just look at how long the ps2 has lasted, it'll be like what? 7, 8 years old in a couple months?

Comment by: ThaJazz (May 16, 2007 08:38)

people if you think for one second that the games on the ps3 is as good as the ones on the 360 you are truely a fanboy.and nothing can be said to you about your beloved console.and befor you open fire i own a ps3 and a wii alo so no fanboy this way.but the 360 has more to offer at a better price.and so what live is not free if you have a job then free dont matter

Comment by: SProdigy (May 16, 2007 12:41)

PS3 IS DREAMCAST!

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option...d=5599&Itemid=2

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 16, 2007 12:52)

ThaJazz
ummm ya 3 or so months in the 360 lauch the 360 games sucked as bad....thus MR fanboy get off your high horse ur poo sticks.

seriously the PS3 needs about 12-16 months for it heal from the launch...much like the 360......
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SProdigy

Sony is not sega they are not that blind.
Hell at this point and time if sony drops the price 300-400 the 360 will be shot below the WII.

Comment by: pigfister (May 16, 2007 13:53)

maybe this explains the recent job cuts over at sony gaming division but how long will the investors want to bail out a dead donkey? what's that old metaphor "Don't put all your eggs in one basket."

PS3 losses drive Sony profits down

Originally posted by link gamepro:

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Sony's financial report for the previous fiscal year has finally been published, revealing a 68.3% drop in operating income, mostly due to the extravagant costs associated with the PS3 launch. Yet, the company's outlook still remains positive that it will be on the rebound for this coming fiscal year.

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or for another look at it from ars technica:

Sony earnings: games division a financial albatross around corporate neck

Originally posted by ars technica link:

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The higher sales and lower cost of entry for the Nintendo Wii are also causing developers to look towards Nintendo for their future projects, and a loss of Japanese developers could do go a long way towards ending any sales momentum Sony is hoping to create for its newest system.

With Ken Kuturagi's resignation and the challenge of improving the financial outlook of the gaming division falling onto Sir Howard Stringer, it wouldn't be surprising to see even more shakeups at Sony. Sony has over $4.2 billion in cash on hand but also has about $11.3 billion in total debt on the books, and it's not clear what the company can do in both the short or long term to staunch the flow of yen leaving the gaming division. What is clear is that their current strategy with the PlayStation 3 has yet to pay off.

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"In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth ia a revolutionary act." George Orwell 1984

Comment by: ZippyDSM (May 16, 2007 14:00)

pigfister
Could be more a reshuffling of staff its only a 2billoin loss since spider man 3 brought in 50 billion sony is not really hurting just yet, what sony needs to do is cut the PS3 in half something they should have done to begin with that way they have their losses planed out unlike currently where they will pretty much sustain losses until the console hits 400 or they have 3 times as many games as the 360....

Comment by: djeazyg (May 16, 2007 14:42)

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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PS3 IS DREAMCAST!

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option...d=5599&Itemid=2

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Now here's a true fanboy. WOW!! I got some stock I would like you to buy. Make the check payable to me and I guarantee it will go thru the roof.
This guy will believe anything he reads on the internet.

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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ThaJazz
ummm ya 3 or so months in the 360 lauch the 360 games sucked as bad....thus MR fanboy get off your high horse ur poo sticks.

seriously the PS3 needs about 12-16 months for it heal from the launch...much like the 360......

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Thank You. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Comment by: pigfister (May 16, 2007 14:56)

@ ZIppyDSM

/agree. a price reduction and some AAA+ games is the only thing that can save the PS3 but with exclusives dropping their allegiance to the behemoth of sony, a bunch of very bad ports and Japanese developers moving to the wii due to lower overall costs is far from happy reading over at the sony camp, and is very concerning for gamers because of the shift in the market companies may start pulling titles from the ps3 release list.

Good Games cancelled so far on the PS3:

WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2007
Theseis
Endless Saga
Saints Row



*edit* there may be hope yet as sony sells off its mobile network service. 16/5/2007, 1:48 PM EST

RealNetworks buys Sony NetServices

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RealNetworks Inc. has announced today the acquisition of European music download service Sony NetServices for $9 million in cash. Prior to Sony NetServices purchase, RealNetworks had acquired South Korea-based mobile music services provider WiderThan, expanding its mobile entertainment portfolio and strengthening its market position in Europe.

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9 million in cash omg!

"In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth ia a revolutionary act." George Orwell 1984

Comment by: SProdigy (May 16, 2007 16:05)

Must I repeat, I am a fanboy of none of the console manufacturers! In the previous gen, I purchased the PS2 first, Gamecube second and Xbox last. Now, I bought my Wii first, then got a 360 after being disappointed with the Wii graphics (but not gameplay), and I have yet to buy a PS3 for all the obvious reasons. I was merely pointing to an article quoting Peter Moore.

Honestly, everyone here keeps stating that IF Sony were to cut the PS3 price tag, THEN it would succeed. Hello folks, Sony is bleeding money with every PS3 they ship! Like I said earlier, MS and Sony are BOTH taking hits on selling the console for LESS than it costs to make, while Nintendo is winning market share with a console that they profit from TODAY. Sony cannot afford to cut the PS3 price tag!

I also agree about the 360 launch titles, and if MS launched with Sony and Nintendo on the same day, I think the 360 would be the dog, and who knows, maybe Nintendo would have sold EVEN MORE consoles as consumers wouldn't have jumped the next-gen gun a year early by purchasing a 360. It's just a theory.

Conclusion: MS and Sony are trying to sell consoles at a loss to make it up with royalties and other revenue streams. (Think of it as an inkjet printer, where the printer is sold for less than the cost of replacement ink cartridges in most cases.) Nintendo is winning with the Wii and DS, because they are CHEAPER for the consumer and CHEAPER for Nintendo to make, thus, they are raking in the profits.

Sony tried to push the PS3 as a Blu-ray trojan horse, and too bad they forced developers to actually use Blu-ray, as they could quickly dump it for a DVD-9 drive and format, and introduce a lower end system for a fraction of the cost. Don't kid yourself, Blu-ray is EXPENSIVE. Until Blu-ray becomes the next DVD, which it may never become, the PS3 will NOT be cost effective to Sony or the consumer.

Comment by: NexGen76 (May 16, 2007 16:19)

Originally posted by ThaJazz:

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people if you think for one second that the games on the ps3 is as good as the ones on the 360 you are truely a fanboy.and nothing can be said to you about your beloved console.and befor you open fire i own a ps3 and a wii alo so no fanboy this way.but the 360 has more to offer at a better price.and so what live is not free if you have a job then free dont matter

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I would say that first gen PS3 games are on the same level as 360 which has a 1 year edge on PS3.I found that to be real sad because PS3 games are going to get better.GOW is that only game on 360 that stand out between any game on either system.Thats one game in one year i find that pitifully on Microsoft part because they live on third party game support & not first.Second & thrid party support run Microsoft they can do what the hell they want because they know Microsoft depend on them but second & third party can't do Sony like that,reason being you hear all the crying about how hard games are to develop for the PS3 because Sony not going to treat them like babies & cater to them like Microsoft does.

Comment by: SProdigy (May 16, 2007 16:27)

This is going to open a whole can of worms, but if history serves as a lesson, Sony should open up their programming to be a bit more friendly to the devs. Everyone knows what happened when Windows launched against the giant that was IBM. Like it or not, Windows crushed everything it its path.

Comment by: ThaJazz (May 16, 2007 19:42)

why is people being so foregiving to sony are they not the big boys on the block when they put out a system with tech noboby want and charge 600.00 for we are to buy it no question asked.and why do we have to wait 2years for good games from the god of console makers.and iam not a 360 fanboy just saying that you get more for less money and if you cant see that then you are blind as hell.i like the ps3 but right now i enjoy my 360 more than my ps3

Comment by: ThaJazz (May 16, 2007 19:45)

and why do people always bring Gears of War up like its the only good game on the 360 go to gamestop and look around.

Comment by: djeazyg (May 16, 2007 20:03)

Originally posted by ThaJazz:

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and why do people always bring Gears of War up like its the only good game on the 360 go to gamestop and look around.

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Gears of War is about as good as it gets on the 360. Just like God of War 2 is about as good as it gets in the PS2. If you’re going to compare you need to compare with the strongest game the system has to offer and a game that is exclusive to that particular system. I thought this was common knowledge.

Comment by: ThaJazz (May 16, 2007 21:44)

you thought wrong.

Comment by: NexGen76 (May 17, 2007 08:11)

Originally posted by ThaJazz:

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and why do people always bring Gears of War up like its the only good game on the 360 go to gamestop and look around.

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Name me another game on 360 that has stand out like GoW has none as of now so this argument that PS3 don't have any good game can be said about 360 also.One blockbuster title in one year Sony has two so far in 6 months RFOM & MS.Both are first party titles.Lets not forget that Heavenly Sword, Metal Gear 4,ninja gaiden sigma & Killzone 2 are due to drop this year.In mean while 360 fan boys still waiting on Halo 3....LOL this game has lived its course,How long before Microsoft unplug the life support cord they are living on from HALO.

Comment by: ThaJazz (May 17, 2007 09:28)

well if you think the only good game on the 360 is GoW then that is your opinion and thats that.i know that there are more but if you say not it must be true.and yes GoW is the best so far in terms of looks but RB6V is not to far behind and crackdown was good and saints row, testdrive,SCDA,and the 360 has its own share of good games coming out also.i never said that the ps3 was a bad console its just the 360 has a better offer right now for a better price.and if you cant see that then too bad.

Comment by: djeazyg (May 17, 2007 15:18)

Originally posted by ThaJazz:

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you thought wrong.

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and your welcome.

Comment by: pigfister (May 18, 2007 15:46)

omg now HDMI is a connection of the past wtf is sony going to do this next ten years, back to the coaxial i suppose!


DisplayPort takes the lead over UDI and HDMI for computer displays

Originally posted by DailyTech:

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Consumers have made one thing clear about the tech industry over the past several years: format wars are confusing and often times deliver more issues than solutions. Display technologies consisting of DisplayPort, HDMI and UDI have all been ferociously vying for industry support over the past two years. Despite a strong push from all three standards, DisplayPort crossed a major milestone in April when it received approval by VESA to be an industry standard.


Kettler showed a LCD that was only half an inch in thickness. The panel also incorporated speakers and a microphone. Audio and video signals route through a single DisplayPort cable. DisplayPort LCD panels will be available later this year, Kettler claims.

The DisplayPort standard recently wowed consumers by adopting a standard that takes advantage of fiber optic cables for signaling. Using technology from a leading DisplayPort task force member named Luxtera, DisplayPort devices that use fiber optics will be able to accept cable lengths unheard of in the industry.

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Comment by: Djisas (May 19, 2007 12:22)

Still complaining about the price??
Take a look ate Nvidea's cards, the GTX is near 600$ the ultra goes well beyond 700$, just for a graphic card, ad the cpu, no current cpu priced over 1000$ matches the cell, blu ray player, more 600$; etc...
A pc matching the console power would cost well over 2500$, if its possible to build one...

Comment by: hughjars (May 19, 2007 12:43)

Originally posted by Djisas:

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A pc matching the console power would cost well over 2500$, if its possible to build one...

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- BS.

One of the cheapest E4300 Core 2 Duo CPUs & one of the £120 or - much - less Nvidia 8500/8600 cards running VC2 decoding can easily handle any high def video that any games console can.

PowerDVD is all you need in terms of software
(and Windows Media Player Classic and CoreAVC for *cough* other types of HD *cough* ).

Sorry no offence but that kind of claim is exactly what we get treated to regularly in these discussions, it's just typical myth & ill-informed utterly wrong nonsense.

.....and as those of us using the XBox 360 HD DVD add-on with a PC can easily see those kind of claims that hugely expensive and huge computing power is needed is just nonsense in that instance too.

It's also worth noting that when it's used with a PC all the supposed 'limitations' of the XBox 360 HD DVD add-on (in terms of the 720p/1080i resolution & 'only' DD sound) disappear with the kind of kit that is pretty common now.
1080p & 7.1/8.1 sound is down to you and your hardware & software.