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Comment by: djkraz (Apr 14, 2007 18:30)

Low demand, maybe because it's too god damn expensive! HOLY SHIT! I mean i want one too, but not for the price they got it at!!!! FUGITABOUTIT

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 14, 2007 18:51)

ps3 is defenitly the way to go. you get a great gamming sysytem and an inexpensive br dvd player. as br will ultimately fail it is best served viewed from a 600 clam ps3 vs a 1000 clam stand alone betamax:)

Comment by: ThaJazz (Apr 14, 2007 19:15)

the ps3 could be the best way to go but where are the games.i cant play with a br drive

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 14, 2007 19:22)

Originally posted by ThaJazz:

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the ps3 could be the best way to go but where are the games.i cant play with a br drive

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the games will come. remember the original xbox had no games in the begining. hold out till there are some more games and a price drop should happen as well.

Comment by: vinny13 (Apr 14, 2007 19:54)

If you think about it, the PS3 is not much more then the Xbox. With what you'll be paying for Live and whatever else you have to pay for, Xbox isn't that much cheaper. By the time a new system comes out(in like another 4-5 years) you've already spent about $270 for a little card with a password on it that lets you play with others.

And what about the future of PS3 games? With 20GB more space on a Blu-ray disc then a HD-DVD, that's either one hell of a campain and online, or graphics that will bring a tear to your eye :P(with the proper TV of course)

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 14, 2007 20:00)

Originally posted by vinny13:

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If you think about it, the PS3 is not much more then the Xbox. With what you'll be paying for Live and whatever else you have to pay for, Xbox isn't that much cheaper. By the time a new system comes out(in like another 4-5 years) you've already spent about $270 for a little card with a password on it that lets you play with others.

And what about the future of PS3 games? With 20GB more space on a Blu-ray disc then a HD-DVD, that's either one hell of a campain and online, or graphics that will bring a tear to your eye :P(with the proper TV of course)

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it would not surprise me if br became the standard for gamming discs and HD-DVD for video dvds.

Comment by: djeazyg (Apr 14, 2007 21:44)

Zippy......
If you dislike the PS3 so much why do you keep up on PS3 news? I would think by now you just wouldn't care at all and just leave it at that.
You complain about the price. Ok but how much did you pay for that PC you seem to like so much? Your argument will be that you can do a lot more than play games on a PC. True, but I'll bet you don't need a powerful machine for the other things you do on a PC. A decent video card that won't be outdated in a year costs about $300. (I know because I play on the PC as well) You need good memory to make those games run well. My PC is very outdated and a gig of good 400mhz DDR is still almost $100 or more. $400 dollars for a video card and memory that will be obsolete in a year or so. That is unless you don't care how well the game plays or what it looks like. As your PC gets older your games look, feel and play crappier and crappier until you upgrade. 360 or PS3 games will keep getting better as they get older. Atleast until they reach their peak but that takes more than a year or 2. Not to mention all the issues you can run into during install. Driver problems or codec issues. Direct X issues. Will the game like my hardware or not. Some games are very picky about what sound card or video card you have. Most of this stuff costs money to replace and it’s not cheap. 360 or PS3 doesn’t have any of these problems.
Myself.....I like all of them. PC, 360, PS3, it’s all in what you want to play. The Wii isn't my style but i can appreciate what it has too offer.

As far as BR or HD-DVD failing? They are both going to fail. Too many companies out there trying to outdo both and one of them will succeed.

I got a small question for you people and your "price drop" "it's too expensive" crap. So in 5 years or so when the new consoles are out and they cost $800 I guess you'll stop playing games all together. Right?

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 14, 2007 22:51)

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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Zippy......
If you dislike the PS3 so much why do you keep up on PS3 news? I would think by now you just wouldn't care at all and just leave it at that.
You complain about the price. Ok but how much did you pay for that PC you seem to like so much? Your argument will be that you can do a lot more than play games on a PC. True, but I'll bet you don't need a powerful machine for the other things you do on a PC. A decent video card that won't be outdated in a year costs about $300. (I know because I play on the PC as well) You need good memory to make those games run well. My PC is very outdated and a gig of good 400mhz DDR is still almost $100 or more. $400 dollars for a video card and memory that will be obsolete in a year or so. That is unless you don't care how well the game plays or what it looks like. As your PC gets older your games look, feel and play crappier and crappier until you upgrade. 360 or PS3 games will keep getting better as they get older. Atleast until they reach their peak but that takes more than a year or 2. Not to mention all the issues you can run into during install. Driver problems or codec issues. Direct X issues. Will the game like my hardware or not. Some games are very picky about what sound card or video card you have. Most of this stuff costs money to replace and it’s not cheap. 360 or PS3 doesn’t have any of these problems.
Myself.....I like all of them. PC, 360, PS3, it’s all in what you want to play. The Wii isn't my style but i can appreciate what it has too offer.

As far as BR or HD-DVD failing? They are both going to fail. Too many companies out there trying to outdo both and one of them will succeed.

I got a small question for you people and your "price drop" "it's too expensive" crap. So in 5 years or so when the new consoles are out and they cost $800 I guess you'll stop playing games all together. Right?

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400 and even 500 is ok but 600 is pushing it the PS3 was poorly done in price and marketing this is fact,now the only question remains what games will it get becuse at 600$ it has the same games the 360 dose whats the point of it?
games make a system and make it worth the money you put into it even if MGS was exclusive I still wouldn't pay it for 600,I am sorry if you think wanting to save money and and wanting to pay for the "real value" of it is a bad thing,BTW I hammer on the 360 as much MS had a chance to do something nice with the elite and totally blew it and it turns out the white premiums of the fall will only really have a new CPU I hope the cores will too I refuse to spend 400 on a wonky bloated took 2 years 4 revisions to fix console....

you don't like the fact people can state their dislike of the systems or their makers go to a fanboy club welcome to reality :X

I'll be the frist to admit I am a idiot and try and toe some imaranry line o'balance in my lil head,you ask mew a question be ready for a answer :P

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 14, 2007 23:12)

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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As far as BR or HD-DVD failing? They are both going to fail. Too many companies out there trying to outdo both and one of them will succeed.

I got a small question for you people and your "price drop" "it's too expensive" crap. So in 5 years or so when the new consoles are out and they cost $800 I guess you'll stop playing games all together. Right?

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BULL, One format will succeed and one will fail. hi-def is the future and at least one hard-media product will succeed.. exactly who else is competing against br and HD-DVD in a hi def hard media category?? none I know of... enlighten me..

if I want to wait for a price drop i will do just that. i don't care enough about these games to spend 600 for a console and for sure i will not spend 800. I will buy the ps3 when it is 300 bucks and then will play the games when they become 20-30 per game either new or used. i don't care if they are the games every one else is playing right now or the games you paid 70 bucks for that I got for 9.99 from half.com. And no I don't care if I have to wait 2 years for the ps3 to be 300 either.

one thing is for sure that ps3 you got for 600 won't be worth the price of the cardboard box it came out of when the next gen comes around. by the way when Xbox came out it was 400 or 500 bucks I believe I paid 199 for mine and was totally satisfied waiting.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 14, 2007 23:30)

CrappyX

well they could fail ,they both could go mainstream since the invention of dual players,hell one of them could make a 2.0 and that could trump them all then DVD,but your right its more likely 1 will win the other will hang around in some form,I think BR /Sony is due for a a win they cant fail all the time LOL,BR is nice but at the same time so is HDVD so the format war will come down to whoever gives up frist or what the indutry as a whole says I cant really pin it down but tis going to be another 3-6 years..

Comment by: djeazyg (Apr 15, 2007 02:49)

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Originally posted by djeazyg:

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As far as BR or HD-DVD failing? They are both going to fail. Too many companies out there trying to outdo both and one of them will succeed.

I got a small question for you people and your "price drop" "it's too expensive" crap. So in 5 years or so when the new consoles are out and they cost $800 I guess you'll stop playing games all together. Right?

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BULL, One format will succeed and one will fail. hi-def is the future and at least one hard-media product will succeed.. exactly who else is competing against br and HD-DVD in a hi def hard media category?? none I know of... enlighten me..

if I want to wait for a price drop i will do just that. i don't care enough about these games to spend 600 for a console and for sure i will not spend 800. I will buy the ps3 when it is 300 bucks and then will play the games when they become 20-30 per game either new or used. i don't care if they are the games every one else is playing right now or the games you paid 70 bucks for that I got for 9.99 from half.com. And no I don't care if I have to wait 2 years for the ps3 to be 300 either.

one thing is for sure that ps3 you got for 600 won't be worth the price of the cardboard box it came out of when the next gen comes around. by the way when Xbox came out it was 400 or 500 bucks I believe I paid 199 for mine and was totally satisfied waiting.

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I never said Hi Def wasn't the future. You should read what I said and not make things up.
Just one format against BR and HD DVD? How about 2.

"http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/5098/6122/nme-dvd-hd-Blu-ray-multi-format.phtml"

"http://www.mempile.com/news.html"
...it took me all of 3 seconds to find them and there are others.

So wait for a price drop. I don't care what you do. I am just asking if people can justify it and guess what? They can't. If you want to be behind in the times be my guest. Don't buy it at all. Steal one and throw it off a bridge. I don't give a shit. But then you don't belong in a forum about the PS3. It's a bit too new for you. You sound like you’re at home laying on the ground pounding your fists like I just took your favorite toy cause you were bad. It was just a question......life will go on. RELAX

Oh....and for all you just spewed out, you still didn't answer the question.

Zippy....
I have no trouble with reality. Looks like the reality is my opinion got the best of you. Sorry.
My problem is not the fact you state your dislikes, it's how many time you’re going to do it. You seem to have an answer for everything but the problem is it's always the same answer. Every PS3 thread has your name in it saying the same stuff over and over. I don't really care and I even agree with some of it but you should at least change it up a little to make it more interesting.
I retract my statement about you disliking the PS3. I don't want to argue with you I just like a healthy debate.
As for being ready for your answers...... Nothing you say can bother me. The little fanboy shot you gave me was a bit low but I guess I deserved it. You can trust that there will be more questions and more opinions. Many more.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 15, 2007 03:13)

djeazyg

Merely suggesting I can go to the fanboy zone and its never pretty no matter who enters it [fat hiry guy in a sailor moon outfit or man faye pretty to boot] =0-o=


the mods have yet to thump me for my posting style I will admit I can post less..but the caffeine and voices get me :X

Take my opinions as the smelly poo gas they are or not,I just want people to know what they are gettign into when they flop down 500$ for a new system it aint all that its cracked up to be.

The PS3 is ok for what it is if it was worth 400.... ya know the whole price V cost thing to much money for to little games the BR movie thing is nice but at the price of of a 4 or so month old game (30-40) its just to much money now in acouple years when it has games on it it might be worth every cent but for now its to much money.

The Wii is a solid lil system and I guess thats its main problem its lil the lack of power hurts the WII but never the less its solid enough to thump the others in the short run.

the 360 has my problem of not be able to find its head for its arse the hardware issues are enough for me to say pass the games are enough for me to put money down so meh damned if you do damned if you dont

At least with waiting a bit you get a better pick of options not everyone has 600$ to blow on gaming every few months I mean if you buy a system and 3 or 4 games for the PS3 thats nearly 800$ and the games you wont be able to return if the industry didn't have a "slight" anti consumer racket going one could test the waters allot easier.

Comment by: baldy43 (Apr 15, 2007 05:39)

When you are told that a certain model of a very new game machine like PS3 - 20GB is being withdrawn from sale in one country you start to think that there could be something wrong with it. I would like to hear what the reason is for the withdrawal and why it is only in North America and not the rest of the world. I would also be trying to get all Governments to ask the same question and if there is something wrong they should all be recalled to be replaced or fixed.

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 15, 2007 05:54)

djeazyg Wrote:
[b].[/quote]I never said Hi Def wasn't the future. You should read what I said and not make things up.
Just one format against BR and HD DVD? How about 2.

"http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/5098/6122/nme-dvd-hd-Blu-ray-multi-format.phtml"

"http://www.mempile.com/news.html"
...it took me all of 3 seconds to find them and there are others.

So wait for a price drop. I don't care what you do. I am just asking if people can justify it and guess what? They can't. If you want to be behind in the times be my guest. Don't buy it at all. Steal one and throw it off a bridge. I don't give a shit. But then you don't belong in a forum about the PS3. It's a bit too new for you. You sound like you’re at home laying on the ground pounding your fists like I just took your favorite toy cause you were bad. It was just a question......life will go on. RELAX.[/quote][/b]

djeazyg:
you write like a 3 year old. Any one who wishes to be in any forum can be if you don't like it you leave, news flash.. no one will give a crap if you stay or go

You produced a product which simply plays both Medias that you claim would fail and one optical player that is not even on a market so it has no support currently except for maybe a hard drive replacement or data storage. You still have not shown me this revolution you claim will overthrow HD-DVD and br.

no one is behind the times because they choose to wait on a silly game console as in two years that silly game console is still producing brand new games. bad news again for you; really no one gives a crap that you have the first edition of a game console exept for you and maybe a thief looking to take it from you. So relax sit back and have your little nerdy orgasm with your wonderful console then go ahead and write some more angry postings and feel great about your little self.

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 15, 2007 06:01)

ll

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 15, 2007 08:11)

cappyx
ouch what he says is not to far of the beaten path,however like you I think waiting is a good option,besides if he writes like a 3 year old I write like a 1 year old :P

Comment by: runnfool (Apr 15, 2007 08:34)

Oh it is always fun to watch a "discussion" like this turn to insults. And yes, I do realize that I've now become a target as well. You guys don't make it very easy to express an opinion on here I think.

It wouldn't stop me if I had anything big to say though. I don't have anything to prove, but I do want to share my humble opinion.

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360 or PS3 games will keep getting better as they get older

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I'm not sure I understand how this is different than a PC game. Are you suggesting that because the PC hardware evolves, the PC games "outgrow" a given configuration faster than the consoles? Interesting. I was very ready for my old xbox to be upgraded so I could get to the new graphics, speed, and peripherals on the 360 -- and I have the same experience with my PC every couple of years. Until I upgrade, the games I play keep pushing the hardware until it can't be pushed further.

On a side note, the comparison of PC to console is fascinating. In the PC world we have our ultra hi-res monitors and 100+FPS graphics cards and water cooling. Oh now we have dual core CPU and dual channel graphics cards. So what: we still don't have games that support two monitors. Because the consoles are "growing up" with HDTV standards now, they must educate people on HDMI vs component, p vs. i, etc. Sure you'll still have peeps plugging in their analog cables but the rest of us have high-end TV, stereo, speakers, cables, etc. to wire into the mix correctly. So I'd argue that just like the PC, in console world you can pay big for your habit or it is a sunk cost because lot of the system exists to do other things.

Anyway. As to BR vs HD-DVD that everyone compares to Betamax vs VHS. It would be sad to me if neither wins. Some of us consumers need to continue to be early adopters, and some need to wait for the decision to be made and prices to fall. We are nearing the time for "critical mass" on one format or the other -- what's it going to be? I saw a ~ $300ish HD-DVD standalone player in Crutchfield the other day. Dual formats are now < $1000 where it makes sense they start. Once we choose the hardware, they can start pumping out the media so we can buy a blank without breaking the bank.

No real point here, just chattering. Thanks for listening.
JR

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 15, 2007 09:12)

runnfool
I suppose it means as the systems mature the games do as well and they grow and learn from each other making the newer ones "better".


Depends on what PC game market you follow if don't follow the most system hunger titles you can put upgrades off every 2-4 years in most cases its not so bad if you focus on 300 for a vid card every 2-5 years the video card will be update to date enough to run any game at normal settings I have found mobo to be the next thing to update then CPU then ram the toughest transition is when you have to do CPU/mobo and ram but like is aid if you do it right you just have to do it once every 2-5 years altho its a much more active market than consoles active as in having to be replaced its funny tho the 360 is almost in that position but if you are not a PC person and would rather maximize your money on 1 or 2 high def gaming then the PS3 or 360 would be a better choice.

While some compare BR and HDVD to betamax I don't they are very close in form and function with at best a 20GB gap for storage both have issues to grind out BR has the space Hdvd has the HDVD+DVD layered discs theres a chance that one of their newer specs that dose not play on current hardware could "win" but I don't see it I lean to BR because it has more space but price and the whims of consumers and the industry will claim a victor so its going to be 3-6 years.

Comment by: runnfool (Apr 15, 2007 10:06)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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I suppose it means as the systems mature the games do as well and they grow and learn from each other making the newer ones "better".

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And how is that different than the PC?

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As your PC gets older your games look, feel and play crappier and crappier until you upgrade.

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Not sure I agree: PC games keep getting better though they do "encourage" you to upgrade your hardware. Because you *can* upgrade a PC the software pushes the hardware a bit more. In console land, the developers just play the deck they are dealt until the next generation.

I have heard it suggested that PC developers are lazy and let the hardware "carry" the software... but this and other threads have suggested that console developers are not entirely different.

Thanks for the response!
peace,
fool

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 15, 2007 16:55)

Hey runnfool,
No one here is going to blast you for asking questions i am totally open to listening to what others have to say as there is always a chance i can learn something new. I’ll be happy to give you some input it is by no means the only input you should consider as you should compile you’re data and then make a choice that best fits what you need. Here’s my point of view.

pc games. I did the pc game thing in the late 90's and the hardware upgrade cost me a ton. back then I paid 300 for a 8mb voodoo card (can you even fathom that now??) and it was so sad the day i retired that pc along with it went the games. in short I like to separate my pc from my gaming system for the following reasons:
>conflicts with programs I need for every day use
>expensive consistent upgrades
>way too much tweaking
>sadness the day i decommission that pc with all of that outdated hardware i paid a ton for.
With a gaming system i pay once and they make all the games to conform to that system. They will push the limits of that game console but you should not have to ever upgrade it. and when i buy a new console i have a whole library of games i can play again and no sadness as decommission is either rare or non existent.

The last time I bought Xbox for the following:
>better graphics
>Dolby digital 5.1 game play

this time i plan to go ps3 for the following reasons:
>full HDMI support with in game dd5.1
>Sony will not let you down with titles in the future
>no additional hardware to buy for br DVD play
>a very inexpensive way to play br discs that i can rent from netflix and a very low cost way to enter the hi-def DVD market with little risk. If br fails i still can play games forever
>all data is transmitted via a single HDMI cable to my TV
>the ps3 looks way cooler than the 360 (irrelevant but not totally)it is going to be connected to a new 52" Hd-lcd TV I am sampling so the cooler looking the unit the better. i plan to wall mount the TV so I need all to work from one single HDMI cable ie i want the rats nest of wires to go away. I am choosing LCD as there is no chance of burn in.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 15, 2007 17:27)

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I suppose it means as the systems mature the games do as well and they grow and learn from each other making the newer ones "better".

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And how is that different than the PC?

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As your PC gets older your games look, feel and play crappier and crappier until you upgrade.

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Not sure I agree: PC games keep getting better though they do "encourage" you to upgrade your hardware. Because you *can* upgrade a PC the software pushes the hardware a bit more. In console land, the developers just play the deck they are dealt until the next generation.

I have heard it suggested that PC developers are lazy and let the hardware "carry" the software... but this and other threads have suggested that console developers are not entirely different.

Thanks for the response!
peace,
fool

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define better? I see PC games gettign smaller and more simplistic look at the evolution of Quake that sums up PC gaming pretty well.

Some games try and reinvent them selfs and fail the series pretty good like Quake 4 or Spy Hunter 3 wif Teh Rock I swear nothing like a washed up wrestler/actor to kill a good IP,anyway my point being only a few titles can sustain quality threw a few games ,like DMC or FF every other game is off the wall and poorly done but they make a come back and manage to keep the brand going now adays its about brand and graphics from PC to console no matter who you turn to they don't care about the overall quality of the game they just want it out so they can work on the next cash in, ok maybe not that bad but look at the PC games jumping to vista when no one in their right mind wants vista they could make a ton more moeny making it for XP that everyone has but no they want the deals so they can get more moeny off thier sorry games...I am rantign again I know ><


I guess it comes down to how much you use the computer and how much you play on it currently
1.PS2 (DMC box set,Dragon quaest 8,GoW,Castlivina COD)
2.PC KOTOR,Snowblind,Quake 4,Unreal anthology
3.Xbox (Halo 2,Sudeki,Crimson sea,might play LOK:defiance again)
4.GC:MGS twin snakes,ZeldaWW

its funny if MS was not blind and put coherent BWC in the 360 I would have one right now this min no questions asked but since they skimped on it I don't want a 360 because I know of the hardware issues they are having,since I have a PS2 and can fix them I dont need or want a PS3 with poor BWC that would make the cheat devices I sue to make games fun be worth fooling with...

If someone made a working well supported cheat device for the 360 and a keyboard and mouse converter for it I would get it today but since a cheat device wont ever be made I'll have to wait for a simi customizable KB&M device to make up for the devs not knowing how to code button mapping anymore.

hell I could say the same for the PS3 give me working cheats so I can make games fun and give me control over the controls and I will be a happy gamer.

Comment by: cappyx (Apr 15, 2007 17:33)

yes i love the cheat systems as well. there is nothing better than to be able to play the whole game through without ever dying or running out of ammo. to me the game is so much better this way.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Apr 15, 2007 17:43)

Originally posted by cappyx:

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yes i love the cheat systems as well. there is nothing better than to be able to play the whole game through without ever dying or running out of ammo. to me the game is so much better this way.

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I cant stand god mode 0-o

however I do like inf jumps and adjusted ammo and other odds and ends, mostly to re balance the fun factor in a game.

Comment by: webe123 (Apr 16, 2007 23:51)

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Originally posted by cappyx:

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yes i love the cheat systems as well. there is nothing better than to be able to play the whole game through without ever dying or running out of ammo. to me the game is so much better this way.

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I cant stand god mode 0-o

however I do like inf jumps and adjusted ammo and other odds and ends, mostly to re balance the fun factor in a game.

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What do you have against God Mode? I get tired of repeating a stupid game level over and over and over again because some programmer thought it would be neat.

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