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Comment by: johnblaze (Mar 09, 2007 12:16)

Originally posted by BobbyBlu:

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HOME IS Sony answer to Microsoft LIVE its not a game its just a way to network & alot of other stuff.You don't have to use it,only there to give you a option to enhance networking.

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I agree, I can't see how this could be a bad thing or something to complain about since it's going to be a free feature, you'll always have the option not to use it if you're not into that sort of thing.

Comment by: L-Burna (Mar 09, 2007 13:14)

I don't play games online so it doesn't benefit me(not a dial up user also),but if you are saying you can't cheat with this system.I'm sure there will always be a way to cheat bro.I do agree cheating online is pointless and I don't see how some people can't understand it ruins the game for everybody else.Online is just another scheme for game companies to make a profit.I can lists numerous games that make you pay for online service,not saying "Home" is one of them.The reason I don't like online is for the fact that if you pay for a game you should get the full game.Buying a game and then having to pay online is wrong in my mind also.I don't see why "Home" is so important that it should come before any other issue they need to sort out.

Comment by: BobbyBlu (Mar 09, 2007 13:37)

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I don't play games online so it doesn't benefit me

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Okay i understand your view point now.You should try online its better than you think but you will find cheaters everywhere you go.But i was just like you i didn't like online til i found a game that i liked(Socom2) i became a addict soon as i played that game.I don't think there is no game that you got to pay for to get the full version on PS2 most stuff just be extra's.

Comment by: zxvfrr41 (Mar 09, 2007 15:20)

Originally posted by L-Burna:

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I don't see why "Home" is so important that it should come before any other issue they need to sort out.

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I'm not a market analyst here but I think it's fair to say that Sony has had some success in the past. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. They had the biggest selling consumer product ever with the Walkman until it was surpassed by the Playstation. Sony is probably the best known and arguably the most successful consumer electronics and entertainment company that's ever existed. I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt on "Home".

It is a part of the overall package that they are delivering for the PS3 along with gaming, memory stick cabability for photos, MP3 playback, wireless, Blu-ray, 1080p capability, HDMI connections, PSP interaction, etc. No one is saying the "Home" is going to make anyone go run out and buy a PS3 but it will certainly add value for those who do buy it.

And exactly what issues are you referring to? The games I have are excellent especially considering they're games created early in the development life, and the library of games will grow exponentially. I have no problem waiting for games like Gran Turismo and Metal Gear because I know they will be absolutely insane when they come out.

Blu-ray movies look great and some look spectacular.

If the issues you are referring to are that not all games are backward compatible, I'm not overly concerned with that. Sony is fixing items like this with firmware updates. To put it in perspective, I'm having a lot more fun with the PS3 (and all it's so called issues???) than I would be having with just my PS2.

Comment by: PotSmoker (Mar 09, 2007 16:30)

said it before will say it again, what a waste of bandwith, a simple interface is alot better, the only thing that would make this good is being able to fight/kill each other.

Comment by: L-Burna (Mar 09, 2007 17:55)

Well one game that is online that wasn't worth playing was Final Fantasy XI,and it was for the PS2.You had to pay monthly to play it and that is not including the 100 dollars you shell out for the game and the encrypted harddrive.I'm not saying all games are like this,but there are games like this.Sony is trying to take backward compatibility away from the PS3,that is an important issue I think.Sony is also trying to strip parts from the PS3 to make it cheaper,which is an important issue.I look at it like this,if "Home" is more important than those issues then the company is failing to meet the standards of what the PS3 is suppose to do.I can bring up more issues that need attention,but so far the issues I mentioned are very important to most consumers.I'm not saying they haven't accomplished anything,what I'm saying is they are setting themselves back by messing with projects like this.

Comment by: gogochar (Mar 10, 2007 03:46)

The graphics look way better than Second Life. Hope it works out.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 10, 2007 05:03)

L-Burna
Both Sony and MS fail to see the need for BWC,they fail to see it because they need revenue from new game sells thus dont want to sell a ton of systems they wont push new game sales...its rather sad really.

In my mind support the games you got you sale more systems and then sale more games but they tend to do things backwards....

Comment by: L-Burna (Mar 10, 2007 07:35)

Well said ZIppyDSM and I just wanted to say that Nintendo has always been good about BWC.Sony and MS don't really give thought to BWC,which is gonna hurt them in sales.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 10, 2007 07:45)

Originally posted by L-Burna:

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Well said ZIppyDSM and I just wanted to say that Nintendo has always been good about BWC.Sony and MS don't really give thought to BWC,which is gonna hurt them in sales.

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Not really mainly because they can not afford to sell thousands of systems and a hundred games,they have to ignore BWC because old game sales wont stop the loss of money from the new system....

On the other hand I didn't get a 360 because of the BWC and the hardware issues I would have gotten a 360 if it worked......I am waiting for the new revision to make up my mind.

as for the PS3 sony is just a slob I should know I am one,they are trying to many things at once and then back pedaling when it gets to much.

Comment by: L-Burna (Mar 10, 2007 10:00)

It will help Sony out by taking BWC away,but its not to the consumers benefit.They are taking hardware out of the system to lower the price to manufacture the console.They are going to have to sell thousands of these consoles,because it is in high demand and the same applies to Nintendo and MS.Its not about selling hundreds of older games,it is to lower production cost.They can save a little bit by taking the PS2 enigma out of the system.It reminds me when Sony had the big PS2 system,and to save money they redesigned the system and stripped a bunch of stuff out to save money.It didn't really save them that much money,because they ended up with more hardware issues.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 10, 2007 15:26)

Originally posted by L-Burna:

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It will help Sony out by taking BWC away,but its not to the consumers benefit.They are taking hardware out of the system to lower the price to manufacture the console.They are going to have to sell thousands of these consoles,because it is in high demand and the same applies to Nintendo and MS.Its not about selling hundreds of older games,it is to lower production cost.They can save a little bit by taking the PS2 enigma out of the system.It reminds me when Sony had the big PS2 system,and to save money they redesigned the system and stripped a bunch of stuff out to save money.It didn't really save them that much money,because they ended up with more hardware issues.

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you have to wonder what costing them more R&D for revisions or just keeping the revision they have,the PS2 has 16 revivsns and 2 models that can not have come cheap.

Comment by: BobbyBlu (Mar 10, 2007 17:42)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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L-Burna
Both Sony and MS fail to see the need for BWC,they fail to see it because they need revenue from new game sells thus dont want to sell a ton of systems they wont push new game sales...its rather sad really.

In my mind support the games you got you sale more systems and then sale more games but they tend to do things backwards....

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That is totally false Sony has done a very good job of BWC better than Nintendo & Microsoft.Every Sony gaming system every released(PS1,PS2&PS3)Had BWC.The PS3 does BWC all the way back to PS1 so to say Sony has not done a good job at this is not true please do a little more homework before you make a crazy statement like this.Sony not killing BWC they are taking out the emotion engine to exchange it with another hardware solution to cut cost.

Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
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Comment by: L-Burna (Mar 10, 2007 20:31)

If you look at the European launch you will see how upset the consumers are there.It hasn't affected people in North America yet,cause it won't happen till April.If you have a PS3 before this time period then you shouldn't have a problem with BWC.It depends on how you look at the issue,if you don't get it by April then you pretty much should say goodbye to BWC.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 11, 2007 02:31)

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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L-Burna
Both Sony and MS fail to see the need for BWC,they fail to see it because they need revenue from new game sells thus dont want to sell a ton of systems they wont push new game sales...its rather sad really.

In my mind support the games you got you sale more systems and then sale more games but they tend to do things backwards....

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That is totally false Sony has done a very good job of BWC better than Nintendo & Microsoft.Every Sony gaming system every released(PS1,PS2&PS3)Had BWC.The PS3 does BWC all the way back to PS1 so to say Sony has not done a good job at this is not true please do a little more homework before you make a crazy statement like this.Sony not killing BWC they are taking out the emotion engine to exchange it with another hardware solution to cut cost.

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dude...your believing your own hype...what dose the PSX have BWC to eh??

Now yes the PS2 had 90%ish BWC I have a acouple PSX games that wont play on it right but that aside the PS3 is on shaky ground on BWC unless they are supporting more than they let on,the PS3 supports a cherry picked roster of games because of frimware patches the current PS3 with the PS2 chip supports more than the PS3 without it,and they have plans to replace all the newer PS3s with the PS2chipless version thus lowering what it can play...so please understand they are downgrading the system in order to save a buck.

At least MS had a REAL reason to not do FULL BWC,when they changed chipsets/partners on the 360 ninvinda/ati would not let them use their programing in the emulation of it thus forcing them to go into half arsed BWC mode.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
Sony has declared war on importers the consumer will be next with CD's,Videos/Games not far behind that....boycott SONY!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8062.cfm

Comment by: zxvfrr41 (Mar 11, 2007 22:09)

Sony is not eliminating backwards compatability although the European version will not be able to play as many games. Instead of dedicated chips for BWC, software will be used. Currently 98% of PS2 games are supported on the PS3. Europe will obviously be less than that.

Comment by: zxvfrr41 (Mar 11, 2007 22:09)

Sony is losing over $200 on every PS3 they sell since current production costs are close to $800 per unit. It's understandable why they would make a move like this and it's also something they can work on through software updates, tackling the most popular games first.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 11, 2007 22:18)

zxvfrr41
more like 800-1200 for the high end.

They have said unless you have forgotten they are not going to heavily support BWC.

Comment by: ChocTunda (Mar 12, 2007 11:15)

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They have said unless you have forgotten they are not going to heavily support BWC.

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Sony said that they was going to have another software solution not totally drop it like Microsoft.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=105410

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 12, 2007 11:44)

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[quote]They have said unless you have forgotten they are not going to heavily support BWC.

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Sony said that they was going to have another software solution not totally drop it like Microsoft.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=105410[/quote]

YOu can read cant you? in one of the already posted articles SONY them selfs have stated they are not going to focus on BWC when they rip the chip out of the PS3(will be placed on the back bruner)

So basically they are doing the same as MS,altho it already supports more than the 360 ,they should have left it in a took a different apporch like dropin the low end ps3 altother.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
Sony has declared war on importers the consumer will be next with CD's,Videos/Games not far behind that....boycott SONY!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8062.cfm

Comment by: zxvfrr41 (Mar 12, 2007 15:36)

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So basically they are doing the same as MS,altho it already supports more than the 360 ,they should have left it in a took a different apporch like dropin the low end ps3 altother.

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It would be interesting to see the sales ratio of the 60Gb vs the 20Gb PS3. From what I've seen, most retailers aren't even carrying the 20Gb, so Sony may very well discontinue it at some point especially since they lose more money on selling the lower end because it's still almost as expensive to manufacture as the high end model.

I'm also a bit surprised that Sony is eliminating the chipset for the European release although they said that they would still work on BWC through software. They're obviously trying not to lose their shirts by losing $200-$400 on each unit sold but full BWC was a big selling point for the PS2. As I mentioned, they may very well go after the most popular games through software updates and not bother with the less popular titles.

Personally, I never really played PS1 games on my PS2 and when more PS3 games come out, I don't really anticipate playing many PS2 games. It's hard to go back to older graphics once you see the new stuff.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 12, 2007 18:37)

zxvfrr41
BWC is kinda important to me since I still play PSX/PS2 games and am adding on to my library,emu can be tricky and kill the game shark I have,it just adds to the annoyance of it,the PS3 is looking up but the 360 looks better right now.

Comment by: zxvfrr41 (Mar 13, 2007 09:39)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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zxvfrr41
BWC is kinda important to me since I still play PSX/PS2 games and am adding on to my library,emu can be tricky and kill the game shark I have,it just adds to the annoyance of it,the PS3 is looking up but the 360 looks better right now.

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I really wasn't comparing the two but I'm curious why you say the 360 looks better right now. Do you mean as a system or literally looks better as in the graphics? The PS3 just came out so the 360 is going to have more games, better online community, etc at this point.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, it all comes down to preference on what you like. I have an HD TV so 1080p movies coming out of the Blu-ray player is pretty amazing. Out of my collection of PS2 games, I only play about 10 and all play perfectly on the PS3. I have nothing to complain about with the PS3.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 13, 2007 10:02)

zxvfrr41

the PS3 has a bit more polish in its hardware,its software so far is no worse than the 360s at launch but not much better what I hate aobut the PS3 is the lies and the spins sony PR has gone into.
the PS3 is currently worth 200 to me in a year when the library expands some I cloud up it to 300-400.

The 360 is sadly not much better,the newest model(not the new revision) are built a bit better but still have enough issues to make me say no,the software has improved greatly from its launch and all in all the system is filling out its still limping from its crap fest of a launch but thos hardware issues make me so I can wait even when the current line up is worth the price admission.
the 360 is currently worth 200 to me the model one just has to many issues,however the model 2 is worth 300-400 to me.

I base the above prices on "fun factor" and the current focus of gaming today,I refuse to pay more than 200 for a system that dose nothing new and offers about the same level of graphics as my computer,shallow gaming doth not get my money.

Unlike the other 2 the WII is worth getting NAO,however I am cheap and want to see what the possible DVD player WII brings before I put money down,plus I am waiting on Metroid prime 3 so I can do a weekend of MP3 and Zedla :P.

Comment by: pspjunior (Mar 19, 2007 18:28)

Hey i love my x360 and is thinking of getting a ps3 mybe nmext year or somthing i dunno... but HOME is somthing that sounds really good... if you think about it its like a whole clone of earth but in a game.. you can tlk to other ppl and everything to.. this sounds nice.. oh and abouth the theatre.. do you seriosly get to watch movies? as in full legnth movies. or do you have to pay