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Comment by: borhan9 (Feb 12, 2007 23:30)

And tell me why the cheaper version is not available?? I will wait a long time before i go anywhere near ps3.

Comment by: johnblaze (Feb 12, 2007 23:41)

My PS2 started giving me disk read errors a couple of years ago, I just recently cleaned the laser lens by hand as a last ditch effort and it's worked perfectly since then. This kind of gives me mixed feelings about the quality, on one hand the system crapped out and I had to fix it myself, but on the other the console's been around for a good while and still has quality games coming out on it. The one good thing about it is that I'm able to buy games like GOW and Shadow of the Colossus pretty cheap now!!

Comment by: Thoatih12 (Feb 12, 2007 23:47)

i could afford a ps3 and so can most other people here..but whats the point 600$ or more is alot of dam money..i can buy a new dam computer
or even a new HDTV at least 27 inch for what there selling the ps3 at..and even if a price drop came i will prolly not buy it..i've been a sony fan my whole life until i said F*^$ sony and bought the xboxs360 and im happy with my xboxs360 the company gives me the sense that they care about there costumors more and gamers come first kinda things..like i said earylier in this disscusion..im just sick of sony...why could'nt they just use HD-DVD? noooo they have to try to make money and make blue-ray...sony does this EVERY time a new tech. or format comes out...vhs..sony had to make a dam beta max...didnt they even make a dvd competing product?...sorry but im dont with sony!
i know all the sony fanboys are gunna flame me..im not a xboxs fanboy..and im not here to bash the console itself..its a good on but sony just did it wrong this time..for me at least...i bet most people wont agree with me :(

PsP History: 1.51>2.60>2.71>1.50>2.0>1.50>3.02OE-A>3.02OE-B>3.03OE-C!
Xbox360..

Comment by: Andrew691 (Feb 13, 2007 02:20)

You cant say "why could'nt they just use HD-DVD? noooo they have to try to make money and make blue-ray" Sony has been one of many companies developing Blu-ray for like 10 years(longer than HD-DVD), it wasnt just an overnight decision to add it to the PS3 its been planned for a long time.

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 13, 2007 07:49)

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Hughjars give it a rest with it being double Japans price man its getting annoying, if you took a little time out of your life to stop bitching maybe you would realize its not JUST the PS3 that has such and increase.

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- Ah OK, so that makes it perfectly acceptable and alright then does it?

Funny how some folks moan about people going off topic but the instant the cost of the PS3 is raised that's the first thing they want to do....."don't talk about that talk about this!".
Yeah, real strange one that is, not.

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so stop bitching about it.

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Another thing why the hell do you keep comparing SD-DVD sales to HD/BD sales

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- Because it proves how tales of the high def 'format war' being won are just manipulative and outright lies.

When both formats are being outsold by the dead UMD format it's laughable to try and exploit people's ignorance on the subject and attempt to declare yourself 'winner'.

Sales are far too tiny to declare 'winners' - which is how come those idiots love to play ratio and percentage games (and avoid giving out the real numbers at every turn)

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you cant compare something thats been out for like 10 years that is the current media standard

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- It's not about a straight comparison, it's about pointing out just how far away both formats are from being a mass-market product.

It's about demonstrating how tiny the sales of each are, so tiny in fact that claims of one or other to be the 'winner' right now are just laughable......and as I said wholly reliant on people not knowing the truth of what is going on.

The sales numbers (when the propagandists can tear themselves away from playing with ratios or percentages) show each format selling in the few thousands
(recent best selling Blu-ray title 'Crank', 7500 copies sold. Ludicrous.)

The mass-market still buys in multi-millions as we see from SD DVD sales.

.....I hate to see manipulative liars getting away with their manipulative lies.

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The only real good game thats still being made for PS2 is going to be God Of War 2, which is released sometime this month.

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- I take it you've made a mistake there.......or are you really intending to say the best game for the PS3 is going to be a forthcoming PS2 one?

S'funny but it wouldn't surprise me.

Once the short fanboy rush has been and gone and the PS3s are sitting bolted to the store shelves then you can come and sound off about how 'popular' you imagine it is here.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 13, 2007 08:18)

the Euro PS3 can still play USA/JP games right?
I know its movie side is regioned..

So the Lowered PS3 is the money loser I thought as much it was stupid for them to do it like that it would have been better for all if they didn't do the low end and just sold the high end for 450.

450 is a good price for what the PS3 offers and keeps it low enough to be what it is a game machine.

Comment by: BobbyBlu (Feb 13, 2007 08:53)

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When both formats are being outsold by the dead UMD format it's laughable to try and exploit people's ignorance on the subject and attempt to declare yourself 'winner'.

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This tread is not about format war please get on topic.

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the Euro PS3 can still play USA/JP games right?
I know its movie side is regioned..

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Yes you are correct.I see the EU & UK pre-order are going really well.Better that some retailer thought.But it do help to have 30 game on a console launch.

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 13, 2007 09:21)

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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it was stupid for them to do it like that it would have been better for all if they didn't do the low end and just sold the high end for 450.

450 is a good price for what the PS3 offers and keeps it low enough to be what it is a game machine.

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- The problem here is that £450 is what it costs here in the UK (it's actually £425 ($816) here but with the remote it's around the £450 level).

That's $864 US.

But I know you mean US $ zippy, which would be $450 = £234.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 13, 2007 09:52)

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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it was stupid for them to do it like that it would have been better for all if they didn't do the low end and just sold the high end for 450.

450 is a good price for what the PS3 offers and keeps it low enough to be what it is a game machine.

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- The problem here is that £450 is what it costs here in the UK (it's actually £425 ($816) here but with the remote it's around the £450 level).

That's $864 US.

But I know you mean US $ zippy, which would be $450 = £234.

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odd its 345 when I add it up...mmmmm

Ya I know they rise it a bit for the UK but they are padding it almost 8%,but the low end high end with little diffrance in them they were foolish to it do like that since they are losing money on it no matter what they do they should focus on making the high end more price effective and get rid of the low end altogether.

Back to the US/UK pricing is 600/460 with vat 703/540
the UK price is close to 600 Eu why when the vat only makes it 550 at the most they are double dipping and it angers me....

the site I use to calc currency's is
http://www.xe.com/ucc/

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
Sony has declared war on importers the consumer will be next with CD's,Videos/Games not far behind that....boycott SONY!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8062.cfm

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 13, 2007 10:44)

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odd its 345 when I add it up...mmmmm

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£425 (x £1 = $1.92 US) = $816.

£450 (x £1 = $1.92 US) = $864

$450 (÷ $1 = £1.92 UK) = £234

(think about it Zippy, it's not so far off of £1 = $2)

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Back to the US/UK pricing is 600/460 with vat

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Yes, the £425 price (and the £25/20 or so for the remote, depending on outlet) is inclusive of VAT.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 13, 2007 11:23)

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- £425 (x £1 = $1.92 US) = $816.

£450 (x £1 = $1.92 US) = $864

$450 (÷ $1 = £1.92 US) = £234

(think about it Zippy, it's not so far off of £1 = $2)

Back to the US/UK pricing is 600/460 with vat


- Yes, the £425 price (and the £25/20 or so for the remote, depending on outlet) is inclusive of VAT.

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are you sure ?



www.xe.com/
425.00 EUR
Euro = 553.194 USD
United States Dollars
1 EUR = 1.30163 USD 1 USD = 0.768265 EUR


let me check another site I use
yup same
http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

even yahoo says the same
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/conver...&submit=Convert

what currency are you using? US is 1.30 to 1.00 EU

the 703/540 is the UK price in EU and USD with the 17% vat.

BTW with the conversion rates I am using 820$US is 629 Eu...I smell padding of price.

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
Sony has declared war on importers the consumer will be next with CD's,Videos/Games not far behind that....boycott SONY!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8062.cfm

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 13, 2007 11:57)

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are you sure ?

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- Zippy my old mate the £ is for UK pounds sterling.

The € is the sign for EU Euros.

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I smell padding of price.

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- I spot someone being a little visually challenged! :P

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 13, 2007 12:08)

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[quote]are you sure ?

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- Zippy my old mate the £ is for UK pounds sterling.

The € is the sign for EU Euros.

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I smell padding of price.

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- I spot someone being a little visually challenged! :P[/quote]
Sort of site yes I need new eyes to go with the new brain :P

I forget england clings to the pound.

still was not the EU price for the UK nearly 600 EU?

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
Sony has declared war on importers the consumer will be next with CD's,Videos/Games not far behind that....boycott SONY!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8062.cfm

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 13, 2007 13:24)

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Sort of site yes I need new eyes to go with the new brain :P

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- You're ok zippy, I knew there had to be a rational explaination!

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I forget england clings to the pound.

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- Sadly (IMO) we do, our 'single market' isn't quite complete just yet.

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still was not the EU price for the UK nearly 600 EU?

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- Yeah it's €629.99 in the Republic of Ireland - but the price is still set at €599 for the rest of Europe.

Basically the differences are so small it's not really worth going to the effort of importing one from anywhere in Europe (the post & packing charges would possibly swallow what little you saved).

Todays rates -
£1 = €1.49
£1 = $1.94

UK price = £425 = €633/$824 US
Irish price = €647 = £434/$841 US
EU Europe price = €599 = £402/$799 US

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 13, 2007 14:43)

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[quote]Sort of site yes I need new eyes to go with the new brain :P

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- You're ok zippy, I knew there had to be a rational explaination!

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I forget england clings to the pound.

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- Sadly (IMO) we do, our 'single market' isn't quite complete just yet.

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still was not the EU price for the UK nearly 600 EU?

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- Yeah it's €629.99 in the Republic of Ireland - but the price is still set at €599 for the rest of Europe.

Basically the differences are so small it's not really worth going to the effort of importing one from anywhere in Europe (the post & packing charges would possibly swallow what little you saved).

Todays rates -
£1 = €1.49
£1 = $1.94

UK price = £425 = €633/$824 US
Irish price = €647 = £434/$841 US
EU Europe price = €599 = £402/$799 US[/quote]
I still see a mark up over the vat witch is pittafull.

Comment by: diableria (Feb 14, 2007 00:48)

why are people crying? expensive or not thousands of people will buy a ps3 so why dont you stop your drama, if you dont wanna buy it then dont but shut up please

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 14, 2007 01:01)

Originally posted by diableria:

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why are people crying? expensive or not thousands of people will buy a ps3 so why dont you stop your drama, if you dont wanna buy it then dont but shut up please

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Well its great you don't care just keep eating up the BS they slop out!

SIcne these are World wide corporations these price "adjustments" are unfounded most of the time,without bitching about it the price wuld be higher because no one would question the power of the corporation!

Comment by: diableria (Feb 14, 2007 11:50)

actually my comment wasnt directed at u, im just sick of people arguing about how much they think microsoft/ sony / nintendo suck or how much money they make its not like your gonna get any of their money, instead all the want is your money. so just get whatever the hell you like the most and if you have anything positive to say just shut up

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 14, 2007 11:56)

Originally posted by diableria:

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actually my comment wasnt directed at u, im just sick of people arguing about how much they think microsoft/ sony / nintendo suck or how much money they make its not like your gonna get any of their money, instead all the want is your money. so just get whatever the hell you like the most and if you have anything positive to say just shut up

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true true pick your poison and lap it up ^^

Comment by: alex131 (Feb 18, 2007 01:22)

In my opinion, the PS3 is not overpriced. If you want a 360 because it's cheaper, keep in mind that you're sacrificing High Def. video. The 360 or the Wii may be cheaper, but keep in mind that you're spending less because you're getting less.

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 18, 2007 15:36)

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In my opinion, the PS3 is not overpriced.

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- I'm sorry but no-one s going to convince me that the PS3 is 'worth' twice the price they are charging in Japan here in the UK.

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If you want a 360 because it's cheaper, keep in mind that you're sacrificing High Def. video.

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- No, that's just not true.

Why did you have to introduce this erroneous nonsense into the discussion?

The XBox 360 may not come with a built-in high def DVD drive but that is hardly the be-all and end-all of high def and high def content.

The XBox 360's IPTV is all about high def video content and it's a facility every XBox 360 connected to the net can utilise.

XBox 360s can also be used to stream downloaded VC-1, WMV9 and some .ts high def content from a PC, very easily.

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The 360 or the Wii may be cheaper, but keep in mind that you're spending less because you're getting less.

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- In the case of the XBox 360, contrary to the propaganda, you actually aren't really getting "less" of anything at all.

A high def drive is only part of the HD story and high def downloads are a part of the tale being over-looked by some (particularly - or should that be deliberately? - on the Blu-ray side because up to 50gb sizes make for a lot less easy a product for today's consumers to handle than up to 30gb).

Comment by: diableria (Feb 18, 2007 15:50)

lol@ microsoft fanboys

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 18, 2007 16:29)

Some might might not understnad what hughjars said
he said the 360 and PS3 offer the same Hdef content off their internet services,the 360 is not over price because the HDVD player is a OPTION,the 360 can run Hdef as well as the PS3 can.

to me
the main difference in the PS3 and 360 is the standardized HDCP,the 360 emulates it the PS3 has in in its hardware,beyond that the systems are so close together theres really lil diffrance in them.

Comment by: hughjars (Feb 18, 2007 18:53)

Correct zippy.

Being accurate and telling the truth is not a matter of 'fanboy'ing' for anybody.

I think it's cheapening the debate when people can either state incorrect facts or outright lie without challenge.

If you're going to highlight and make a deal out of the differences there are between the 2 'systems' at least get it right and stop making inaccurate claims.

.....or at least acknowledge and correct your genuine mistakes if you are making them.

Comment by: alex131 (Feb 18, 2007 21:11)

Well, I own a PS3, but even with the 60GB drive, the space is limited. I rotate the content between it and my computer. So, for this reason I am in favor of Blu-ray, DVD's, and other external media.
However, my friend streams almost everything to his 360 and stores only music on his HDD. It's really a matter of application.