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Comment by: Ryu77 (Sep 17, 2006 00:55)

With all due respect... You can't be seriously trying to make a point here.

Any DVD player using standard AV cables or a damaged motherboard is going to look off also, if it isn't totally inoperative. Which to me makes your post completely redundant.

It's just like saying a Toyota can beat a Ferrari with a blown motor... I mean of course that's going to happen when all 800kw (could be exaggerated...lol) is blowing straight out the side of the block.

I don't know what to say but some of these posts are going so far off track that it's hard to even remember what the thread was initially for!... Which is "A DELAY IN THE PS3 RELEASE".

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Sep 17, 2006 01:42)

Ryu77
I know I know
hughjars said something about the PS2 not looking much better than the PSX,all I can come up with it a rare instance of bad cable or bad mobo.
if anything the PS2 is like the jump from Software based 3d to hardware based 3d for computers,there is jump between the PSX and PS2 mabye not as great from SNES or Sega CD to PSX.


SNES hop Sega CD leap Saturn/PSX skip N64 hop DC hop PS2 hop GC hop Xbox

SNES to Sega CD was a hop with CD you got more storage but the genisis was the liminting factor for its potential

the PSX and saturn are near even the PSX haveing better 3d the saturn haveing better 2d.

the n64 is a oddity had great 2d/3d but was llimited to carts and its sound system was not great not a leap or a hop just a tinkering with the tech of the time.

From N64 to DC theres a nice hop Solid sound,2d and 3d on a GD rom

DC to PS2 is not much of a improvement maybe a bit more power in 3d but in all not like the jump say from DC to Xbox

the GC and Xbox came out after the PS2 the GC has a bit more power than the PS2 but less than the Xbox,I feel it and the Xbox fought for 2nd place since the PS2 was pretty much dominate, Xbox havening the most power and potential but lacking the support needed to make it number 1 without a doubt, if sega kept to their quality of old and became a 2nd party to MS ,MS might have decimated the GC and fought the PS2 on equal footing,the reason I say this is the Xbox reminds me strongly of the DC the controller layout is a dead giveaway,if sega and MS teamed up proplery they might could have toppled the PS2.
And when I say proplery I mean by working on thier main titles Streets of rage,Phansty Star,SHining Force,Sonic ect,ect,ect.

altho I guess its best things have turned out how they have since sega cant make a game to save its life now...and I am still waiting on my Phansty Star Remakes >>

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Comment by: Ryu77 (Sep 17, 2006 05:27)

Sorry, I misunderstood your intention. I highly doubt he viewed one with any kind of fault but thank you for your alternate perspective. I agree with what you are saying to some degree but you still need to look at all areas in the right perspective. Of course the largest jump went between cartridge based consoles to optical media based consoles. I mean you're comparing restrictions of say 8mb up against 700mb (CD).

You feel that the XBox is the most powerful out of this generations console. To be honest I can't say I agree nor disagree on that one... But Sony won me for this round and I am almost definate they will have me for the next generation of consoles too.

Ok... But let's look at the PSX--->PS2 jump. I'm going to try to stick with easy to understand facts that almost everyone can understand. I mean the average console owner doesn't know about pixel pipelines etc. etc.

Would you say that when the PSX came out a lot of people were impressed with the FMV scenes? I would say a big yes!

Now of course this was much easier to do when you're suddenly using media 50 to 100 times the capacity of the previous gen (I know Sega had CD, and others like Neo-Geo, PC engine etc. but to be honest they nowhere near maximised the use if it's potential).

Now, the PS2's FMV had massive improvement over the PSX. It's like comparing VCD up against DVD. Again mainly due to a fairly large jump in media choice. 700mb (CD)--->4500mb (DVD).

On to sound, not a major improvement but some notable features. First of all a jump from 44.1khz to 48khz, second an addition of an optical out and also on board DTS and Dolby decoders.

Anyway I could go on and on... For those that can understand more advanced details, here's some specs from both machines. I would say it's more than a slight jump which is what I quoted from Hughjas...

PSX...
-Analog Joystick
-Controller
-Memory Card
-Link Cable
-Mouse with Pad
-RFU Adaptor
-Multitap Unit
-R3000A
-32 bit RISC processor
-Clock- 33.8688MHz
-Operating performance - 30 MIPS
-Instruction Cache - 4 KB
-Data Cache - 1 KB
-BUS - 132 MB/sec.
-Data Transfer Rate (DMA TO RAM) 150 KB/sec. (Normal) 300 KB/sec.(Double speed)
-Maximum Capacity - 660 Megabytes
-Features Audio CD play XA Interactive Audio
-Control Pad Two control pad connectors Expandable with multitap connector
-Backup RAM Two removable cards 128 KB Flash Memory OS support for File Save, Retrieve and Remove
-Serial Port I/O Link Cable Connectivity
-Main RAM: 2 Megabytes Video RAM: 1 Megabyte Sound RAM: 512 Kilobytes CD ROM buffer: 32 Kilobytes OS ROM: 512 Kilobytes
-24 Channels
-44.1KHz sample rate
-PCM audio source
-Digital effects include: Envelope Looping Digital Reverb
-Load up to 512K of sampled waveforms Supports MIDI Instruments

PS2...
-CPU: Emotion Engine 300MHz, 128-bit INT, 128-bit FP, 24KB L1, 16KB Scratch, 8KB VU0, 32KB VU1, 450 MIPS, 6.2 GFLOPS, 66M Vertices/Sec, 2.4 GB/s Internal, 1.2 GB/s Graphics, 3.2 GB/s Memory
-Graphics: Sony GS 150MHz, 1.2G Texels/Sec, 32-bit Color, 4MB (48 GB/s), 1.2 GB/sec Bus
-Sound: SPU2, 48 2D Voices, ADPCM, 2MB
-Data: 24MB (2.6 GB/s), 16MB (81 MB/s), 4.7GB Discs, Expansion 56K Modem Ethernet

(Source: www.emulator-zone.com)

Comment by: sammorris (Sep 17, 2006 06:56)

Zippy: I'm not so sure, my system really struggles with 1080p WMV playback.
Ryu77: Indeed, and I have owned a Nintendo 64 and PS2, before that there were shared consoles with my brother, a NES, SNES, Mega Drive (Genesis as you rightly pointed out for the US folks) and PS1.
Ryu77: I don't think there's any weight in an argument that the PS2 wasn't a leap from the PS1.

Comment by: hughjars (Sep 17, 2006 13:12)

Ryu77 matey no need to post up a spec sheet.

I'm sorry you find it so hard to believe but really from what I've seen of the PS2 left me enormously underwhelmed.

Maybe it was partly down to the earlier games but what I saw really wasn't such a great leap over PS1.
Maybe it got better in time but by then I was long past games consoles.

Sorry,
Just my view.

Comment by: sammorris (Sep 17, 2006 13:29)

We all have different opinions, I do very much like the PS2. Its graphics are very outdated, but compared to the PS1 it's a lot better.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Sep 17, 2006 14:42)

Ryu77
Uummmmm PSX to PS2 is 1 skip and 2 hops,the N64 had the hardware upgrade witch gave some nice efects,the DC was a upgraded N64 if you will,and the PS2 is upgraded even more from the DC,without looking at the N64 and the DC it is a leap,but when you take into count the uping of power in the consoles it was quite steady.

the Xbox has power that is a fact and with the HD that comes in every one it had potential but alas MS barely stayed in the fight becuse they simply didn't have the games,they've made a niche tho but compared to nintendo and sony I dont see how they are making a profit on it sicne it only dose well in the US.

hughjars
even with basic PS2 games like FF10 or Legaia 2, or any other 2nd year games they are beyond the PSX 0_o

I'll admit DOA looks crappy on the PS2 but meh they just didn't try and bring out the PS2 power :P

I dont know why I cant get into DOA mabye to many damn moves to remember..I like soul cab and street fighter mobtter...give me 4 or 6 power moves per character and I am a happy camper *L*

the PS2 has graphics akin to the 98-01 PC gaming area Unreal torny/champ 1 would run perfectly on it,Doom 3,UT03 and other top heavly games of 02 and beyond mabye not *L*

I hated the Xbox at first because it was a shrine to the blind graphical goddess devs have been mindlessly worshiping then a year ago it finally blossomed into something worth checking out the PS2 right now has a ton more games and some rather great like Dragon Quest 8 unlike the FFs that remake them selfs into crap every few years this is a solid old school RPG,my only complaint is the towns have bad house to people ratios but then this is not the frist 3D RPG to suffer from that.

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I fuzzy braind mew =0_o=
FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
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"Hollywood the 4kids of comic moives."

Comment by: sammorris (Sep 17, 2006 16:18)

It isn't all about the graphics! A game has to play well too!

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Sep 17, 2006 16:21)

sammorris
thats why the industry as a whole has took a dive,worshiping to much the hot looking blind graphical goddess...

I have a brain...I think......
I fuzzy braind mew =0_o=
FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
"Music And Film Industry Association of America.."
"Hollywood the 4kids of comic moives."

Comment by: sammorris (Sep 17, 2006 16:26)

I've always regarded the Unreal Engine to have a good graphics/gameplay balance. What games is it in other than UT2004?

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Sep 17, 2006 17:11)

sammorris
nearly every other game,UT04 is k weapons are still a bit weak compared to UT99 but at elat tis better than UT03 that has very nerfy weapons.

I have a brain...I think......
I fuzzy braind mew =0_o=
FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
"Music And Film Industry Association of America.."
"Hollywood the 4kids of comic moives."

Comment by: sammorris (Sep 17, 2006 17:24)

LOL nearly every other game... I wish!

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Sep 17, 2006 17:48)

sammorris
No I meant every other game was made with graphics in mind not coherent fun gameplay look at FFX,Manga carta and Quake 4 game paly is annoying(FFX),weak (Manga carta)or jsut fcked up by lack of level and weapon designs(Q4)

I have a brain...I think......
I fuzzy braind mew =0_o=
FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
"Music And Film Industry Association of America.."
"Hollywood the 4kids of comic moives."

Comment by: vgaddict8 (Oct 09, 2006 23:11)

PS3 will flop because Porn won't be available on the blueray format for like another 10 years.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 09, 2006 23:17)

vgaddict8
it can play DVDs,thus is can play porn :P

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/398201#2403533

Comment by: vgaddict8 (Oct 09, 2006 23:28)

NO!!! People want "blue-ray" porn!!!! It's suppose to make like 1 million movies on one disc!!! And The quality is suppose to be "super" good! The lack of Blue-ray porn will be sony's downfall! MARK MY WORDS!

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 09, 2006 23:32)

vgaddict8
qauilty of normal HD/BR discs is well normal on normal TVs,if you have a 2 grand TV then mabye you will have better qauilty *L*

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/398201#2403533

Comment by: vgaddict8 (Oct 10, 2006 00:05)

Well you get the idea...porn on blue-ray is a "key" factor in the success of blue-ray format as well as the ps3.

Comment by: A_Klingon (Oct 10, 2006 00:56)

Quote:

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The lack of Blue-ray porn will be sony's downfall! MARK MY WORDS!

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You can get porn on vhs. You can get porn on the internet. You can get porn in daily spam mail whether you want it or not. You can get porn in magazines. You can get porn from your ex-girlfriend, or on the TV or on bubble-gum cards or on the back of a box of Kellog's Corn Flakes.

If the future success of any major upcoming high-technology format as advanced as Blu-ray were dependant on the availability of porn, the format would be doomed before it ever crept past the blueprint stage.

There's *infinately* more at $$$take here than porn will ever muster.

Do you think you really need to hear & see 1080p, 16:9-widescreen, 5.1 PCM-Surround-Sound heavy-breathing, high-resolution grunting just to get your jollies ???

Methinks you'd be better off visiting your local night club. You'd even get to see everything in 3-D. :-)

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 10, 2006 01:08)

A_Klingon
AHHH!!!!!
Go outsde!?!??! pepole are scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
plus there are no nightclubs in hickville

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
"Hollywood the 4kids of comic moives."
Looking to swap analog sticks on a PS2 pad,need some help or info
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/398201#2403533

Comment by: handsom (Oct 10, 2006 08:55)

Teh Internet is for Porn.

Comment by: sammorris (Oct 11, 2006 05:58)

Teh internet?
Teh internets is 4 pr0n, my friend!

Comment by: don010 (Feb 10, 2008 02:39)

lol you guys are funny

but wtf does this have to do with the new ps3 lol

porn on blue-ray lol!!!

lmao

Comment by: sammorris (Feb 10, 2008 02:52)

More to the point, why are you digging up a thread we last posted in more than a year ago?

Comment by: sniper78 (Feb 10, 2008 03:14)

Ya wow I got an email saying that this thread has been updated.