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Comment by: FlakMNKEY (Oct 05, 2005 21:05)

Thanks chickenb,

I do think the right today would consider jesus a godless liberal and would try to get him locked up or put to death in someway. That is if though jesus was real.

Gsuscrazy, Everything can be politicized nowadays if you havn't turned on the news in the last 4 years I would suggest doing so. Dictatorships are liberal/socialist democracy's. The right never gets a say in them.

Comment by: FlakMNKEY (Oct 05, 2005 21:18)

Except for the Nazi's. Thats a right wing group. Everyone knows Bush is Hitler.

Comment by: Shinraboy (Oct 05, 2005 21:22)

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Fu** the Christian Right

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That is VERY uncalled for. Please, look at this advertisement. You don;t just play with religion.

Lo que esta de mas, esta de mas!

Comment by: punqewe (Oct 05, 2005 21:52)

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Everyone knows Bush is Hitler.

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tre funnah

Comment by: Jauzzi (Oct 06, 2005 09:37)

"Bush is Hitler"

No offense to anybody, but I think Hitler would not agree, I mean... he was a far better public speaker than Bush...

PS. To all those CIA agents reading this post, it was just a joke... (I don't want to end up in a trash bag).

Comment by: jcase (Oct 06, 2005 14:49)

Link anyone?

Comment by: A_Klingon (Oct 06, 2005 22:33)

I was interested too, jcase, if I could scrounge up an image of the pulled advert, but couldn't find a thing. (Supposedly, no one saved the image anywhere.)

I did a Google search for "jesus+sony"; "jesus+sony+pic"; "jesus+sony+jpg"; etc. etc., and although there are 18,000,000 links to articles about the recalled advert, I cannot locate the image itself.

Comment by: g$$$ (Oct 06, 2005 22:39)

Why do you have to go and pick on Hitler now? :)

Comment by: abuzar1 (Oct 07, 2005 00:10)

At least hitler could win his wars (Most of the time)

Comment by: Jamzbond (Oct 07, 2005 01:19)

I scarcely can think of anything of substance to add to what I believe to be the most intriguing thread I've read on this or any other similar forum. As much as I abhor the comments of Sgt Spanky, he did provide a pivotal role in the discussion. I think he inadvertently added more religious rhetoric to the converstion than would have otherwise occurred and he evoked the wrath of most of the members purely because of his antisemitism (here I mean hostility in general, not only to Jews as the literal meaning states) towards christians, old ladies, the moderator, etc. As a purely moral issue you don't enter someone's house as a guest and conduct yourself in such an arrogant and insolent manner. I think the comments of Gsuscrazy are noteworthy(all kudos to you) and the Moderator did what I think was the fair thing to do. For any who believe that the punishment was not commensurate with the crime, you will recall that he was infact warned prior to the execution of his Afterdawn demise. We have a responsibilty in fact an obligation to maintain a standard which is not morally reprehensible to say the least and even moreso, not inflammatory or offensive. I think the goodly Sgt exeeded that line. I personally have not seen the advt so I cannot comment on it but from what I have gleaned from this scintillating discussion I believe that Sony ought to have exercised more discretion. I am a Christian, maybe not a very good one because I was given a key chain with a small Buddha figure on it and I have kept it for years. This may be perceived as duplicity on my part but I'll say this in my defense. I have never used it as a key chain. I have hung it in my office as on ornament and if that offends anyone then please hastily admonish me and I'll remove it. I have always been or at least try to be respectful of other religions, beliefs etc and I think that it's a useful virtue to have in this diverse world of ours. I know I have digressed tremendously but if you can pardon my youthful enthusiasm(ie Newbie) you might find something of worth in my epistle. BTW here's a passing thought, what if the goodly Sgt decides to re-gister as the 'Goodsamaritan ', is there anyway to deny him further access?. I really would appreciate a response to this.

Comment by: A_Klingon (Oct 07, 2005 09:14)

Hello, jamzbond;

That very subject had (has) been broached before - (re-enrolling under a different alias) - and for the life of me I can't remember what the final general consensus was.

I suppose Sgt. Spanky could attempt rejoining under another name - and in truth if he has learned a basic, common-denominator simple courtesy for other members' beliefs, I would not personally be opposed to this.

I take no joy in banning people. Not one single smidgeon. Although I have been with AfterDawn for some three-plus years, it may surprise you to know that Sgt. Spanky is the only member whose account I have terminated; whose contribution has ever left me with the concrete belief that I had no choice. I would never ban a member friviously or simply because I got up on the wrong side of the bed one morning. Terminating a member is loathesome to me, but over the years, Oh! Have I _ever_ been tempted to put (other) certain people "out of their misery".

Further.... I try to be tolerant of others. So often I have scanned the various threads and nearly bit my tongue in utter disbelief at how many blatant liberties some people will take with putting their ideas across. Some posts border on slander. Others are so disrespectful of others members and the Administration alike, that it appalls me they have not previously been axed. And some members - for about 1000 different personal reasons, want only to hurt others because they themselves are hurting. For them, the public Forums provide an easy way out to accomplish this. But doing so is UNFAIR and unacceptable.

For those of you who may think I'm on some misguided power-trip acting like Jesus himself - perhaps you should view some of the other threads in the "News Update" sections from time to time. Very often, the topics ultimately being discussed bear little-to-no Earthly resemblence to what the thread started life as. As such, I believe that ALL of AfterDawn's moderators show far more tolerance than should humanly be expected of them. People very-nearly get away with "murder".

In truth, I believe there are many members currently posting who really should not have been permitted to remain here. Unfortunately, there are only a relative handful of Mods in comparison with the thousands and thousands of active members. That, undoubtedly accounts for their continued - often deplorable - participation. When you let someone routinely "get away with" ignoring the simple forum rules we ask members to respect, it only encourages them to continue to alienate others.

Regardless of what anyone's personal views are on religon, politics, governments or society in general, they MUST show the same basic courtesy to others that - fortunately - the lion's share of our membership do indeed show for each other.

I have learned SO much from Afterdawn since I first came here. I have learned SO much from all of *you*! That is what these forums are supposed to be all about. Helping each other - solving conflicts, posing questions, offering solutions and trying to keep each other abreast of upcoming technologies and how we might best take advantage of them.

It might also surprise you to know, that I myself was once temporarily banned from this board. (Yes me, a Mod!) I too must adhere to the common respect I ask of you, or else pay the price. I'm no better or worse than any of you.

Re. Sgt. Spanky, -- hurtful, hateful comments like FU** THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT simply don't qualify; in this case, they have nothing to do with Sony, blu-ray discs or the thread in general, and are - to me - unacceptable. Sgt. Spanky's subsequent explanation only served to seal his fate.

I do not apologize for attempting to provide a comfortable atmosphere for our membership to paticipate. Sorry, that's just the way I see it.

For what it's worth, A/D *has* provided an outlet-of-sorts for non-thread-related postings. Aptly named "Safety Valve" you can find it here:

http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/17

-- Mike -- (A_K) --

Comment by: LilBambi (Oct 07, 2005 09:25)

Yes, it was the Roman soldiers who put the crown of thorns on Jesus. At least two of the four Gospels state this. Matthew as was already mentioned, and Mark 15:16-20 as well:

"16: And the soldiers led him away inside the palace (that is, the praetorium); and they called together the whole battalion.

17: And they clothed him in a purple cloak, and plaiting a crown of thorns they put it on him.

18: And they began to salute him, "Hail, King of the Jews!"

19: And they struck his head with a reed, and spat upon him, and they knelt down in homage to him.

20: And when they had mocked him, they stripped him of the purple cloak, and put his own clothes on him. And they led him out to crucify him."

But Jesus forgave them as he did every person who hurt him.

I do think the advert was likely in poor taste, especially in Italy of all places to run such an ad.

I don't think Sony is gonna do that one again. ;)

As far as politics go. There have been what some folks would consider to be 'fanatical' christians as president and in every office of government in the US since it became a country.

Everyone has some sort of belief system, even if their belief system is NOT believing in any God.

The Declaration of Independence itself was written by Christians who believed strongly that people were granted, by their creator, certain inalienable rights. So was the Bill of Rights. No system of government is perfect. No president (or any other country's leader is perfect) and certainly not this one, but it is not because he's a christian, IMHO.

Comment by: FlakMNKEY (Oct 07, 2005 11:02)

This has been a very interesting discussion, so I will put my final thoughts in and be done with it. I hate this guy, And now it appears we went to war in Iraq because he heard voices. I have 2 links here that will prove my case about why bush and the christian right should not run this country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051007/pl_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051007131357

This next one is a video, Hey bush why don't you learn to talk and actually learn what soveirgn actually means.

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1128506422

Comment by: FlakMNKEY (Oct 07, 2005 11:06)

Oh if for some reason the video doesn't load, just click the download button.

Comment by: FlakMNKEY (Oct 07, 2005 11:27)

Ok I thought that would be my final thought but after reading that article. I must now do a rant.

Motherf***er I hate you!!! Die!!!

First you go after Afganistan and Bin Laden which i had no problem with because they were the one's responsible.

Then you quickly lose interest in Afganistan just like everything else you do. And tell us that we have to go into Iraq, not because your dad didn't accomplish it, or oil, or saddam tried to assasinate your dad. but because they are harboring terriosits and have weapons of mass destruction, bullsh*t, so when that story didn't work. You tell us it's because the Iraqi people need freedom from a oppresive goverment. Well guess what the Iraqi people were free. If you didn't know Iraq was the only middle east country when ruled by saddam that did not follow Islamic Law. Meaning women didn't have to wear there full out head and dress garb. you didn't have to get down on your knees and prey to allah if you didn't want to, etc, and women did have the right to vote, no other middle east country had that right. But now with the new goverment that your putting in they are requiring Iraqi's to follow islamic law.

I can't even name the other excuses you lied about in going to iraq because there were to many. So now it's the only obvious thing left to believe. your a dillusional lunatic hearing voice. I don't care if your white house is denying it, it's the only thing that sounds like the truth and makes since. Plus I don't believe your fake press anymore or the whitehouse. After Rafael palmero took the stand at congress to testify that he didn't take steroids period. Then it turns out that he did. I will not belive your lying asses again. Not until there's a democrat back in office.

Comment by: LilBambi (Oct 07, 2005 12:50)

I am no longer even sure that either the Republicans or the Democrats deserve to be in office anymore. From where I sit, both sides have lied beyond excuse, and it appears that there is something seriously flawd with both sides' extreme philosophy. They have both managed to take this great nation and polarize it to the point where there seems to be no way to bring it back into balance.

There doesn't seem to be a single presidential candidate that has been discussed that worth his/her salt in the current political arena in the US.

Personally, I am very disillusioned with the turn of events in the US. And I am a patriotic American and it hurts to say that. And I resent both the Democratic and Republican parties for doing this to our great nation.

Comment by: badaboy (Oct 07, 2005 14:04)

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THIS IS ALL ABOUT RESPECT.............AND FREEDOM,,,,ONE'S FREEDOM'S STOPS AT THE POINT OF WHERE THE NEIGHBOUR'S ,,"STARTS"...AND....RESPECT THE OTHERS AS YOU WISH TO BE RESPECTED...Wich does not exclude one's right to express themselves also,,,mentionning that Adolph Bush is an A.H....is simply mentionning a fact of reality....as saying that the peoples of U.S.A. re-elected him on bases of fear of ridiculism beeing sound asleep ...also is a SAD reality,,,,,IF SONY who pays "BIG" money for these advertisements ...are not bright enough to name a number of persons to act as a review panel,,to visualize their new commercial,,,,and give a signed cheque to any "Come by joe" LETS NOT ARGUE AND LET THEM SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES AND PAY FOR IT IF NECESSARY,,,,SEEMS THEY CAN AFFORD IT AT THE PRICE THEY SELL THEIR STUFF,,as i mentionned before THEY should respect if they want to be a respected company....BUT IT ALSO IS OUR PREROGATIVE TO BUY PRODUCTS FROM COMPANIES WHO RESPECT "EVERYBODY IN A SANE MANNER"

Comment by: abuzar1 (Oct 07, 2005 15:24)

FlakMNKEY you talk as if ISlamic Law is a bad thing.

Comment by: Jamzbond (Oct 07, 2005 21:55)

A_Klingon thanks for the response. I couldn't agree with you more. After I exited this thread I decided to go strolling around in the safety valve for the first time. I'm still pondering the safety valve label for this forum coz I read a thread about some angry person who was previously banned and returned under a new name(yes I discovered the answer to my question but thanks for the clarification A_K)with 2 friends(??Nephater, etc) and was just ranting like a maniac. They were identified by a member and there was just a free for all mud slinging contest. I recall one of the offenders previously had the name 'killerc' or something like that. Can't recall the new name but he incensed everyone. It was about being banned by Neph before. Even Auslander who was being pretty cool seemed kinda miffed. Hey there are all kinds of ppl and we have to accomodate all their different personalities without escalating an already tense situation. You obviously have thought about your decision but from my stand point, have taken the absolutely correct stance. I think that the majority of persons on this thread are in agreement. Not that you needed any affirmation but it ought to be somewhat consoling. Keep up da good work.

Comment by: A_Klingon (Oct 08, 2005 10:35)

Thank you muchly, Jamzbond for all the kind words, and taking the time to check out the 'Safety Valve' forum. It's a place where ALL (mostly) topics can be thrashed to death if that is what folks feel they need to do.

We really should try to get back on track here, people.

FlakMNKEY:

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Motherf***er I hate you!!! Die!!!

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I know you are a Newbie sir, but if you would please be so kind ---- Put A Sock In It, Mister.

Too many more rants, and I'm simply going to close this thread, and then you won't be on Santa's Christmas list this year, FlakMNKEY.

:=)

Comment by: Jamzbond (Oct 08, 2005 11:02)

A_K twas my pleasure. For some uncanny reason I am still riveted to this thread despite the fact that we are soooo far of the topic of the thread. I'll still peep in to see what happens next. It's been a really good chat though.

Comment by: A_Klingon (Oct 10, 2005 03:17)

Sorry to have taken so long to answer your PM, Jamzbond - I have now done so.

Yep - we certainly cover a LOT of ground around here, eh? :=)

Comment by: freshguy (Oct 11, 2005 00:36)

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I am a Christian, maybe not a very good one because I was given a

key chain with a small Buddha figure on it and I have kept it for

years. This may be perceived as duplicity on my part but I'll say this in my defense. I have never used it as a key chain. - Jamzbond

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That's okay Jamzbond. I would not at all be surprized if even as I

type this, Jesus and Buddha are enjoying a good game of "Burnout3:

Takedown" right about now.

Comment by: ThePastor (Oct 11, 2005 19:30)

Expressing displeasure about President Bush is one thing. Constantly ranting, trying to equate Bush with Hitler (which is patently absurd) and generally debasing our President over and over is quite a different matter and boarders on the obsessed.

I fail to see how President Bush or the Republicans in general have anything at all to do with the Sony advertisement.

Comment by: Jamzbond (Oct 13, 2005 00:00)

Sorry for the tardy response myself. Been busy lately. Much respect A_K. Thanks for the PM. Hey Freshguy that's really hilarious. I'm still cracking up. BTW u r going straight to h*ll: Do not pass go , do not collect $200, lol. Been reading the political debate with interest but I'll restraint myself from commenting. This is way out of my league. Catch you all later.