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Comment by: novicebb (Jul 11, 2005 12:20)

So any one else foolish enough to believe that Nintendo even has an shot?

Comment by: Reasons? (Jul 12, 2005 11:15)

They don't have a chance at taking the market, but a huge established fanbase, along with children and lower income brackets will make the Nintendo Revolution a success. However, in comparison, it won't pull as much money as the bigger two will. The Revolution may have backed down, but the established fan-base is too huge to just throw away. It will definitely be third, but not forgotten.

Comment by: rootmage (Jul 16, 2005 23:14)

who knows what nintendo is planing it looks like theyve been strong armed the cell supposedly has twice the power of the xbox 360 however as complicated is it will be programming for seven chips its going to crash

more then an achaholic piloting a helicopter standing on his head

in the bermadia triangle. you should see thease screens for project gotham 3 http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots747.html

Comment by: Reasons? (Jul 17, 2005 18:58)

Once the basic skills and compiler etc. for the cell is gained/understood, it'll be just like current programming to that person. How do you think people looked at just plain programming a computer when they first became personal? Probally the same way... then they get familiar with it.

Comment by: novicebb (Jul 18, 2005 10:31)

@Reasons:

Yes Nintendo Revolution will be third but a very distant third. I don't think that kids really will be all that excited about the Revolution as you think. Plus Sony and M$ will definitely vie for those so called "Nintendo Fanatics" with all kinds of offers. I wouldn't be suprise if you can get a Xbox 360 for about $150 if you trade in your game cube with like 15-20 games or so. Some won't take advantage of that deal but many will be tempted by such an offer. But

I don't think Nintendo will have a chance because it will focus more on gaming than on overall "home entertainment" like M$ and Sony will.

Can Nintendo is getting bombarded by all ends from those that are eating away at it's mobile gaming to those independent companies that are creating games that are targeted towards those tweens and adolescents.

I mean can the Revolution really survive when if it doesn't support HD imaging, downloadable contents, wireless networking or online music and movie service? I don't think it even has a shot. I truly believe that Nintendo will go the way of Sega and just become a Game developer for other consoles and maybe stick with mobile gaming.

Comment by: Reasons? (Jul 18, 2005 14:05)

That's definitely possible, but not with this generation. It will support wi-fi and you will be able to download the original games from past systems, ultimate compatibility. That and the fan-base plus owned titles will let Nintendo live at least this one time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not buying one, but there is a need for balance and reason for both sides.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Jul 18, 2005 14:31)

It is correct that nintendo put gaming on the map. I remember atari, coleco, and others. Nintendo was definitely not the first but they did take it to a new level of gaming and popularity that spread like wildfires. But that wont be enough to pull any kind of surprise or rabbit out of a hat when compared to what Sony and Microsoft are going to do in the next-gen. Whether there are flops or gigaflops Sony and Microsoft will remain the two dominant systems.

Comment by: lynxtramp (Jul 21, 2005 16:16)

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Comment by: Auslander (Jul 21, 2005 16:19)

this thread is still around? arg...i thought someone finally closed it.

Comment by: Reasons? (Jul 21, 2005 16:31)

No, flip closed the Official Xbox 360 v PS3 v Revolution thread, this one wasn't near as big and still amounts to petty squaballing.

"generally agreed throughout the gaming world"- That doesn't make it the best graphics. The best graphics are actually found on almost every Xbox game, because it came out after the others and has the latest hardware. Detailed and pretty character models (because japanese creators are all frickin horney perverts, lets face it) are not good graphics. Resident Evil fanboy/girl community is what it amounts to.

Don't use all caps locks to pretend your yelling at people, it'll get you banned. If you don't like what goes on, then leave this thread. You've done nothing but bitch, just go.

Comment by: SamuriHL (Jul 21, 2005 17:48)

I doubt I'll add much "value" to this very humorous thread, but, I'll give it a try. I'm not even going to get into the "this is better" argument...it's pointless at the moment. However, I'd like to bring up a point that I think has been somewhat glossed over. The paradigm shift in programming that these consoles brings to the table is bigger than the last generation of consoles. As a result, the first gen of games is going to suffer immensely. What I mean by this is that in the first gen, the developers will be focused on getting libraries and tools written to help them master the intricate details of the hardware. Why does this hurt? It leaves less time to focus on the GAME itself. Now, after the first couple of games are produced and the tools and libraries are refined, then they'll focus on game quality a lot more. This happened with the current gen of consoles, but, I suspect it'll be a bigger learning curve this time. IOW, it'll take longer to get significantly better games. Don't get me wrong, there's likely to be quite a bit of improvement even in the first gen games, but, they won't have all the tricks and tools down until much later. This is just my opinion but as a non-game developer I do know the development process. They WILL master the hardware in time...and that will allow them to get back to doing what they want to do...design great games and be able to implement them.

Comment by: lynxtramp (Jul 24, 2005 20:32)

Dont forget how long it might take to actually get used to programming the games on ps3 and xbox360, as the games will require large teams and sometimes even millions of pounds to produce them, as the consoles are hugely more complicated thean their predecessors, which might draw them to nintendo, as their console will be easy to develop for and cheap, which could mean more support and a lot more, possibly quality, games for their console, and quicker to get to grips with.

Comment by: Reasons? (Jul 25, 2005 11:36)

But will a large audience be drawn to the Revolution's hardware?

In a multi-billion dollar industry, it's best to spend more making a sweet game and selling more copies. At $50 a piece, the profit margin for everyone selling to the end user is making a mint.

Comment by: Doggy_Bot (Jul 25, 2005 18:01)

Great solution! Im getting both!

He thinks he's flying, or does he?

Comment by: lynxtramp (Jul 27, 2005 12:15)

what i am trying to say is that companies might not be able to make a profit because of the large cost, no matter how much they sell the games for, and how many they sell because of the costs, therefore be forced to work for nintendo beacuse of cheaper development costs making it easier to create new games, and dont forget the unique selling points of revolution, especially the new controller if they make it right, could mean they get back on top, not forgetting the lasting appeal of their games to fans and newcomers, could mean success for nintendo and failures for sony and microsoft.

Comment by: Reasons? (Jul 27, 2005 14:23)

Good point, but I garuntee you they wil never be back on top. Sony has taken the market by storm and MS is an up and coming serious competitor. In other words, Nintendo wil be successful but not as much as these two.

I could be wrong but it's pretty obvious that Nintendo has backed down, they said it prctically. They said they want to be the affordable system, not all the shiney hardware.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Jul 27, 2005 16:07)

I hear a few people here and there saying Nintendo might do this and Nintendo might be the system to watch out for in the next-gen of video gaming systems. Well, lets get it straight first that no one is trying to knock Nintendo's new system by on talking of the PS3 or Xbox360's supposed sucess for the near future. It is just very unlikely that Nintendo will hold down any spot in the race of the new systems but the third spot. Just b/c they might have plans to allow play of lots of past games doesnot make up for the demand from the gamers for new exciting games that will keep us all on the edge of our seats. It will prove to be a great marketing stratedgy and will help their sales by doing so but as most others mention before it will not be enough to NOS their car to the front of the race b/c the PS3 and xbox360 have big block engines running under their hood with lots of items to detail their respected sytems in the next-gen of systems.

Comment by: ricod (Oct 07, 2005 15:11)

I'm personally tired of Sony products. After digging into the PS2 and new slim PS2, they have one consistency: garbage parts, especially the lasers (try changing one). My Sony slim DVD player can agree with that as well. Not to mention the PSP is pretty and all, but again made of cheap hardware (the LCDs are horrible). Sony laptops and PCs...a pain to maintain. Sony seems to have a tendency to get more and more proprietary. They'll probably proprietarize themselves to death.

I stuck with Sony for a long time until I got an XBox. God of War has been the only game I've been interested in on the PS2 for a LONG time. Recently, there hasn't been any games that have come out that would make me want to buy a PS2 just to play it. Games that mainly made it worth it for me were the Final Fantasies and Xenosagas. GT4 is beatiful, but I can say that it's not that much fun. Glad I didn't buy it; borrowing it briefly was enough.

The XBox has Ninja Gaiden Black, Halo 2, and the best version of Splinter Cell Chaos Theory. The Gamecube had Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4. Those high-replay-value titles make purchasing the systems plenty worth it. They see more action than my PS2 ever will.

Sony is doing what they did before with over-hyping. The PS2 was supposed to be amazing, and I remember being disappointed. I personally thought the Dreamcast was better, but knowing how I had a great experience with the PSX and it's titles, as with most of the gaming public, Sega wouldn't last long with its console.

On a side note, I hope they redesign the look of the PS3. It looks like a section cut out of a smashed hot dog painted with silver spray.

Comment by: kowru (Oct 27, 2005 18:53)

i've been reading this thing for a lil while now...really just bored waiting on a download. there are a couple people who dont annoy me...but just about all of you seem misinformed in one way or another.

it certainly helps that xbox came out after ps2, but microsoft also pumped tons of chips inside that thing with a faster processor and more memory AND a built in hard drive (look at gamecube which came out slightly later, as it is less powerful but still a good amount stronger than ps2). microsoft pushed its console much more than sony could have done a year ago (compared to dreamcast the year before ps2, ps2 is only slightly stronger...mostly the same). so not only was the technology of the ps2 outdated the day of its release, they make you buy EVERYTHING seperate...neway im going off topic here, its just i dont have much respect for sony, they are so comfortable where they are that they dont even respect us gamers. just ask yourself why ps2 and xbox have always sold at the same price, this further proves my point.

onto ps3 and 360, after reading the specs...and being knowledgable in the area, you wont really see a huge difference in graphic quality between them. having more "cores" does not always mean "better" than having two processors...its how you utilize them. both companies are bosting to be better than the other, they would both be right and wrong, it all depends on the programmers as first generation games will most likely not use the full capacity of the systems.

we should in fact be thanking microsoft for pushing the specs, because of this the ps3 is undoubtably better than it would have been otherwize. the memory of the ps3 for example, was once 256mb, now in responce to the 360's 512mb, sony then upgraded theirs to the same. sony is also being pushed to the market, this generation is coming at least a year early. without the xbox, the ps3 would be another ps2 technical letdown. (bet you guys didn't know oddworld for xbox was going to be on ps2 before they found out that ps2 was weaker than sony said)

ok so lets say the ps3 is a bit noticable better than the xbox graphically, it SHOULD be! it comes out a year later or more, it better be stronger than something that came out the yr prior. alot happens in one year in the technology world.

bottom-line:

will the graphix difference (considering there is a noticable one) change anything? if we look at our current generation, the ps2 is standing above gamecube and xbox...so it could go either way, no one can know for sure and there is no point in fighting over it. my personal opinion on the matter...the ps2 is a subject of fanboys.

games are another matter for both systems, but i'll get into that if need be.

:::btw if u want some funfacts, i got both systems at launch, my xbox works perfectly and my second ps2 boots up "when it wants to." no way in hell i was gonna by a 3rd one:::

::edit:: oops i didn't realize there were 5 pages heh heh, just read the first...maybe i'll check if my download is done now.

Comment by: kowru (Oct 27, 2005 19:03)

i for one thing revolution definitely has a shot. i would, more than anything, like to play original games with new experiences. if they pull this off right they could totally take the gaming work by storm. its disheartening to see ppl think that it will fail before knowing anything concrete about the system, but if it doesn't support HD, not as powerful etc...if it has the games i'll buy it. its going to be at a cheaper price also, that always helps aye? why not just buy all 3 systems? they'll all have games worth getting, why miss out on any of it? (course sony's console has always had much more garbage ratio than the other systems).

Comment by: Nephilim (Oct 27, 2005 19:31)

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there are a couple people who dont annoy me...but just about all of you seem misinformed in one way or another

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Thank God the "All Knowing Master" is here. So we're supposed to take your word as gospel despite the fact that your post is nothing but yet another bunch of opinions?

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Comment by: Reasons? (Oct 27, 2005 20:43)

Another day, another Xbox roady. If I'm not mistaken the official specs on PS3 were released at E3, 512MB or RAM, same spec sheet to this day.

People gravitate to this topic with no experience or formal education in either computer engineering or computer science (people with a tech degree in computer programming... eh....) and just blab. I love how they take evrything advertising and web sites and companies say as, well, gospel. Everyside has it's propanganda lies and faults.

The truth is seen when a personal analysis is done using spec files not found on sites like IGN of individual parts(ie the cell, the rsx(7800) Xenon and Xenos..etc) of the systems. Or when you find a professional journal of some kind of of arstechnica or andandtech.

Is this a hard concept to understand?

Comment by: kowru (Oct 28, 2005 01:36)

for nephilim ^^-

i dont know to answer that...yes? some of it is educated opinion, but yes opinion none-the-less...though most of what is there is fact...

reasons dude-

- roady eh? i base my findings on facts mr...if you look at the past facts about sony's hardware via gamespot...along with other sources if you dare look for them, the ram still says 256. it wasn't until afterwards they made it "official" and released the official specs...i might spend too much time learning about videogames, but i remember the interviews with a few ppl supporting this.

- i am also not a fanboy in any way, i just dont have respect for sony after feeling fingered a few times as it is. i have all systems, love all great games in all genres.

- are you trying to make it difficult to understand?

i haven't had any formal education i will admit, but the greatest minds that i know are all self taught...i myself made a game when i was a mere 14 yrs old...took almost a yr to finish heh...

my entire life is eating, sleeping, and shitting videogames :P...maybe i've said too much.

i dont know everything, but what i dont know...i do what most ppl on this thread should do, read up da facts, read up what the pro's say about it, and come up with an educated opinion.

Comment by: lxhotboy (Oct 28, 2005 08:56)

Comment by: Reasons? (Oct 28, 2005 09:53)

ok, have fun nov 22nd