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Nancy Pelosi: Game violence can't be singled out in gun debate

Dela @ Feb 11, 2013 22:27 | 38 comments

Pelosi wants comprehensive gun violence debate that is based on evidence, and not anecdote.

The House Minority Leader, Nancy Pelosi (D), was speaking on Fox News Sunday on the issue of gun violence in America. Interviewer Chris Wallace brought up the role of video games and asked Pelosi why she doesn't get her Hollywood friends to "stop the video games."

"I understand what you're saying. I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother," Pelosi said. "The evidence says, in Japan for example, they have the most violent games and the lowest mortality from guns. I don't know what the explanation is for that, except that they might have good gun laws."

She criticized Wallace for sticking to only one part of the issue of gun violence. While she said that further examination of video games is needed, it must be in the context of a larger comprehensive look at the gun issue and based on evidence.

"I think we have to do it all. We have to take a look at these games are," Pelosi said.

"I don't think we should do anything anecdotally. We have a saying here: the plural of anecdote is not data. And so we want to know: what is the evidence? What will really make a difference here? And I think it has to be comprehensive."

Video game violence has been singled out - even by the NRA - as playing a significant role in mass shooting events in the United States, while defenders of the industry point out that the same violent video games are played in Canada, and in almost every country in the world.

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Comment by: Kannz (Feb 12, 2013 18:22)

I don't think it had to do with civil war more like if our government reemerged as an "evil monarchy" or dictatorship then we as a people could rise up and reclaim the government for the people with our arms need be.


Comment by: Mrguss (Feb 12, 2013 23:02)

Mass Murders have been increase lately & will keep increasing, 'cos the U.S. Govt. is side-sing with the corporations to control and exploit the citizens of USA (Wage-Slave)since all those politicians in Washington have stocks on many corps. and the people are waking up from the "America Dream" lies!!!
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NRA (4M members) is a Washington D.C. Lobbying Group funded by Gun manufacturers to sell guns. They will never propose solutions that hurt profit. ($12B a year Industry)
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Correction: NRA Opposes Background Check Requirements.
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7 NRA Gun Groups:
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Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 12, 2013 23:47)

Violent Video games has very little to do with it. Based on what I see the problem seems to lie in the households of the parents. Working in Education for many years I see more parents that are content to expect the school system to basically raise their children with very little parents being involved in their children's education and daily lives. They buy them items like cell phones and allow them to play any game they want all at a young age and then the parents do not keep up on what they are actually doing with that technology. This is partially because some parents do not understand it all but also I feel that some parents feel they are too busy to be bothered with it.

I grew up in a house with guns as my father was a police officer and a detective. I also played violent video games on the PC that had swearing, death, and blood. I think the difference is that no matter how busy both my working parents were they still found time to ask about my day and school, made sure I did my homework, and when I was old enough my father took me to the gun range and taught me how to use and care for a gun safely. At home he kept them locked up in a gun safe and if I even thought of getting out of line I got my ass beat. Non of this time out crap or my parents being my buddy much like I see today.

So like most things they refuse to address the source of the problem and using video games as a skapegoat. Parents need to wake the eff up and keep their kids under the age of 15 from playing rated M games as a general rule and instead of letting their kids have free reign of the console and playing it 24/7 and free reign of the internet and their cell phones they need to make it clear that they will be watching their children like a hawk and have strict rules and punishment until the day the child can PROVE they deserve the freedom and responsibility instead of automatically getting the priviledges without working for it.

All that being said I know I grew up in a different time before everyone was so instantly connected but I think if I was a child or teenager now my parents still would be parents and make sure I was on the right path of life by being involved and making me earn my freedoms and priviledges instead of automatically giving them to me. Kids today expect too much for nothing.

OK RANT OVER


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Comment by: manitoba (Feb 13, 2013 00:41)

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
violence has been around since mankind began.
violent movies,videogames,comic books have been around for years and i dont believe its the problem behind gun related crime.
I think the issue with gun violence in usa is due to easy access to guns and lack of training to own a gun responsibly.
in australia its very hard for us to legally own a gun and we have less gun crime than usa.
americans think they need guns to defend themselves personally think its a bit of paranoia.
hope i havnt offended anyone.

Yes you do have fewer gun violence in AUS, however all other types of crimes have gone to double or even triple there previous rates.

Comment by: Bigwillyz (Feb 13, 2013 04:15)

Originally posted by bobiroc:
Violent Video games has very little to do with it. Based on what I see the problem seems to lie in the households of the parents. Working in Education for many years I see more parents that are content to expect the school system to basically raise their children with very little parents being involved in their children's education and daily lives. They buy them items like cell phones and allow them to play any game they want all at a young age and then the parents do not keep up on what they are actually doing with that technology. This is partially because some parents do not understdisciplineisciplinend it all but also I feel that some parents feel they are too busy to be bothered with it.

I grew up in a house with guns as my father was a police officer and a detective. I also played violent video games on the PC that had swearing, death, and blood. I think the difference is that no matter how busy both my working parents were they still found time to ask about my day and school, made sure I did my homework, and when I was old enough my father took me to the gun range and taught me how to use and care for a gun safely. At home he kept them locked up in a gun safe and if I even thought of getting out of line I got my ass beat. Non of this time out crap or my parents being my buddy much like I see today.

So like most things they refuse to address the source of the problem and using video games as a skapegoat. Parents need to wake the eff up and keep their kids under the age of 15 from playing rated M games as a general rule and instead of letting their kids have free reign of the console and playing it 24/7 and free reign of the internet and their cell phones they need to make it clear that they will be watching their children like a hawk and have strict rules and punishment until the day the child can PROVE they deserve the freedom and responsibility instead of automatically getting the priviledges without working for it.

All that being said I know I grew up in a different time before everyone was so instantly connected but I think if I was a child or teenager now my parents still would be parents and make sure I was on the right path of life by being involved and making me earn my freedoms and priviledges instead of automatically giving them to me. Kids today expect too much for nothing.

OK RANT OVER[/qu
Originally posted by bobiroc:
Violent Video games has very little to do with it. Based on what I see the problem seems to lie in the households of the parents. Working in Education for many years I see more parents that are content to expect the school system to basically raise their children with very little parents being involved in their children's education and daily lives. They buy them items like cell phones and allow them to play any game they want all at a young age and then the parents do not keep up on what they are actually doing with that technology. This is partially because some parents do not understand it all but also I feel that some parents feel they are too busy to be bothered with it.

I grew up in a house with guns as my father was a police officer and a detective. I also played violent video games on the PC that had swearing, death, and blood. I think the difference is that no matter how busy both my working parents were they still found time to ask about my day and school, made sure I did my homework, and when I was old enough my father took me to the gun range and taught me how to use and care for a gun safely. At home he kept them locked up in a gun safe and if I even thought of getting out of line I got my ass beat. Non of this time out crap or my parents being my buddy much like I see today.

So like most things they refuse to address the source of the problem and using video games as a skapegoat. Parents need to wake the eff up and keep their kids under the age of 15 from playing rated M games as a general rule and instead of letting their kids have free reign of the console and playing it 24/7 and free reign of the internet and their cell phones they need to make it clear that they will be watching their children like a hawk and have strict rules and punishment until the day the child can PROVE they deserve the freedom and responsibility instead of automatically getting the priviledges without working for it.

All that being said I know I grew up in a different time before everyone was so instantly connected but I think if I was a child or teenager now my parents still would be parents and make sure I was on the right path of life by being involved and making me earn my freedoms and priviledges instead of automatically giving them to me. Kids today expect too much for nothing.

OK RANT OVER

Perfectly said, I have been saying the same thing for long time now and I'm not even a parent yet. It's really sad to see but REAL parents like mine and the ones you descibed are a dying breed. These kids today (god I sound old) have shitty attitudes and think they're entitled to whatever they want. They do need their ass beat 110%, maybe then you wouldn't hear them telling adults to F-off. It's disgusting the way they act and it makes me ashamed to even be young because I don't want to be put in that catagory. None of this is ever going to happen though because parents today are scared of and scared to discipline their kids

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 13, 2013 04:54)

Originally posted by Bigwillyz:
Perfectly said, I have been saying the same thing for long time now and I'm not even a parent yet. It's really sad to see but REAL parents like mine and the ones you descibed are a dying breed. These kids today (god I sound old) have shitty attitudes and think they're entitled to whatever they want. They do need their ass beat 110%, maybe then you wouldn't hear them telling adults to F-off. It's disgusting the way they act and it makes me ashamed to even be young because I don't want to be put in that catagory. None of this is ever going to happen though because parents today are scared of and scared to discipline their kids

Believe me I know. I work I.T. in a high school and I am surrounded by self-entitled punks all day that think the world owes them something. Kid is failing school because he is lazy and does not apply themself the parent comes in and blames the school and the teachers. In my day if I got a C my parents were on my ass and going to the teacher asking them what I was doing wrong. It doesn't end there but I think you get my point.


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Comment by: xboxdvl2 (Feb 13, 2013 07:24)

Originally posted by bobiroc:
Originally posted by Bigwillyz:
Perfectly said, I have been saying the same thing for long time now and I'm not even a parent yet. It's really sad to see but REAL parents like mine and the ones you descibed are a dying breed. These kids today (god I sound old) have shitty attitudes and think they're entitled to whatever they want. They do need their ass beat 110%, maybe then you wouldn't hear them telling adults to F-off. It's disgusting the way they act and it makes me ashamed to even be young because I don't want to be put in that catagory. None of this is ever going to happen though because parents today are scared of and scared to discipline their kids

Believe me I know. I work I.T. in a high school and I am surrounded by self-entitled punks all day that think the world owes them something. Kid is failing school because he is lazy and does not apply themself the parent comes in and blames the school and the teachers. In my day if I got a C my parents were on my ass and going to the teacher asking them what I was doing wrong. It doesn't end there but I think you get my point.


if i got a c in high school my parents were glad i passed.did have school deputy principal on my back telling me i should be geting straight a and that getting c's and b's werent good enough.also almost every other kid got paid from there parents per every a they got.


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Comment by: Bigwillyz (Feb 13, 2013 19:16)

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by bobiroc:
Originally posted by Bigwillyz:
Perfectly said, I have been saying the same thing for long time now and I'm not even a parent yet. It's really sad to see but REAL parents like mine and the ones you described are a dying breed. These kids today (god I sound old) have shitty attitudes and think they're entitled to whatever they want. They do need their ass beat 110%, maybe then you wouldn't hear them telling adults to F-off. It's disgusting the way they act and it makes me ashamed to even be young because I don't want to be put in that category. None of this is ever going to happen though because parents today are scared of, and scared to discipline their kids

Believe me I know. I work I.T. in a high school and I am surrounded by self-entitled punks all day that think the world owes them something. Kid is failing school because he is lazy and does not apply themselves the parent comes in and blames the school and the teachers. In my day if I got a C my parents were on my ass and going to the teacher asking them what I was doing wrong. It doesn't end there but I think you get my point.


if i got a c in high school my parents were glad i passed.did have school deputy principal on my back telling me i should be geting straight a and that getting c's and b's werent good enough.also almost every other kid got paid from there parents per every a they got.


Yes definitely see your point.

Here we go, this is a good example of bad parenting. Paying your kid to get good grades is bribery and teaches them nothing. Now they expect something for doing what they should already be striving for. If I did good in school I got to go out with my friends, that's it. The only money I ever saw was for doing a list of chores and a job. This is where the self entitled BS comes in, what's next...oh you did a poops...good job here's $5. Sorry to go that route but that's seriously how ridiculous it sounds. It's like the way we treat our animals by giving them treats, no wonder some act like one

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 16, 2013 02:25)

Originally posted by Mysttic:
It doesn't even make sense to the majority of US citizens; it's simply the NRA and gov't officials that support them that refuse to take accountability accepting the fact that guns kill by the end users who choose to do the killing; plain and simple as that. Give a person a gun, it's their choice who and what they target, not the video-games, movies or songs that person may or may not be influenced by.

Even should they surmise (with or without evidence) that it's only video games as the majority cause; then they would have to examine on a case by case basis in court, whether than in fact if video-games played such a social impact on the accused mind, if then he was criminally responsible for the crime committed?

So essentially anyone caught owning/playing a violent video-game then turns around and does a crime spree can not be found according to the NRA, guilty due to mental disorders of being subjected to video game violence.

Very true!

This is what I would expect from Pelosi as she will not go against part of her backing, Hollywierd, otherwise she is all about taking away our rights.

The second amendment isn't about hunting either it is about our right to defend ourselves against the government, specifically the British regime at the time. I truly hate the nonsense argument of hunting riffles so often used by the media/dem's, especially since a shot gun is much more effective in close requirements then any assault riffle.


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 17, 2013 14:06)

No it's NOT video games because in Oz we banned pistols, assault weapons etc. over 15 years ago after the last gun massacre and since then there have been none when there was at least one every year before that.

From wikipedia:
As a response to the spree killing [by Martin Bryant], Australian State and Territory governments placed tight restrictions on semi-automatic centre-fire rifles, high-capacity repeating shotguns and high-capacity rifle magazines. In addition to this, heavy limitations were also put into place on low-capacity repeating shotguns and rim-fire semi-automatic rifles.... Though this resulted in stirring controversy, opposition to the new laws was overcome by media reporting of the massacre and mounting public opinion in the wake of the shootings.


The USA might (but probably not reading many of the comments here) consider the very real experience of we Australians instead of just conjecturing or thinking they are radically different from other democracies in this world.

PS: I am not against the owning of guns for sport or hunting. My brother-in-law runs a gun shop and is a national rifle champion. Of course the guns at his home are kept in a locked safe and ammo and firing pins are kept in another- by law. Even though he could make a lot of money he is completely comfortable with the situation and considers Americans bonkers.


Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 17, 2013 17:22)

When I was young we had more guns in our homes. They were not locked up and we had ammo with the guns. They could be picked up and used in a pinch. We had children around but they were taught to respect the guns and use them safely. We had no problems like we do today were there are less homes with guns so what has changed?

Could it be that kids are brought up will less respect? Could it be that children are brought up with no boundaries? Could it be the Entitlement attitude prevalent today? Could it be our more then ever a socialistic society? Could it be all of the less than desirable people we invite into our country? Could it be over sensationalized by the media as it is still a very small number compared to other death rates?

What I can tell you is it isn't the guns and that is a fact, it's our society and the way people are today.

I personally prefer freedom at any price and freedom like every other way comes at a price.


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 17, 2013 17:36)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
What I can tell you is it isn't the guns...

As I predicted in my third paragraph... explains the flood of Americans moving to Australia.


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Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 17, 2013 18:06)

Your Prime Minister is great and you are right even my family has contemplated moving to Australia and getting away from the Obama/Reid/Biden/Pelosi clan.


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 17, 2013 19:03)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Your Prime Minister is great and you are right even my family has contemplated moving to Australia and getting away from the Obama/Reid/Biden/Pelosi clan.

Sure. But Oz is not for you... I think you'd be better off moving to the 1800s.


Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 17, 2013 19:39)

I don't think you have a say in the matter nor do you know what is better for me. Maybe you should move to the US you might fit in well here.


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 18, 2013 02:21)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
I don't think you have a say in the matter nor do you know what is better for me. Maybe you should move to the US you might fit in well here.

Rest assured, I don't have a say in the matter. But if you don't like it in the US for the reasons you stated... you would absolutely hate it here, I guarantee. So much so, I thought you were being sarcastic before. Even the Yanks I know getting Aussie citizenship and buying houses here are doing it because they like the thriving hybrid economy and are escaping your luna-right. And we despise smug arrogant Yanks with a passion... we call them "Septics" (true). I think you have the wrong country, we are tantamount to communists according to your standards (and proud of it)... you must have meant Austria.


EDIT: No offence to Austrians, you have a beautiful country.


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Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 18, 2013 11:31)

What a joke, hybrid, sure.....


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 18, 2013 12:13)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
What a joke, hybrid, sure.....

Not my term. Like I said, laissez faire ideologues would naturally see us as filthy commies. Try somewhere else, maybe some third-world country.


Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


Comment by: Mrguss (Feb 22, 2013 20:52)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
When I was young we had more guns in our homes. They were not locked up and we had ammo with the guns. They could be picked up and used in a pinch. We had children around but they were taught to respect the guns and use them safely. We had no problems like we do today were there are less homes with guns so what has changed?

Could it be that kids are brought up will less respect? Could it be that children are brought up with no boundaries? Could it be the Entitlement attitude prevalent today? Could it be our more then ever a socialistic society? Could it be all of the less than desirable people we invite into our country? Could it be over sensationalized by the media as it is still a very small number compared to other death rates?

What I can tell you is it isn't the guns and that is a fact, it's our society and the way people are today.

I personally prefer freedom at any price and freedom like every other way comes at a price.

Less respect, less boundaries, more attitude:
'cos the last generations grow up "without parents" 'cos women work to be as equal as men, single parents, etc. and kids nannies are the TV, video games, etc. No a real parenthood guidelines and kids grow up trusting no-one or hardly any-one.

More socialistic:
Kids look at us as a materialistic machines, etc.

Immigration issues:
Immigrants came to work hard for minimum wages and do jobs that American Citizens do not want to do.
1rs. Generation Immigrants are good 'cos they have the illusion to get ahead no matter how hard it will be or how long it will take. They do not forget where came from, so they have an identity, but not an American-Identity.
2nd. Generation Immigrants are the basters, confused, rebels, etc. They born on the line, they are not a "real Americans" but also they are not from where their parents where from: (Re-negates)
+3rd. Generation Immigrants are the winners. They have an America-Identity and are mentally stables to be wherever they want to be.

Death related Issues:
Yes, we are more each day and less people die from simple deceases that kill many on the past centuries.

To summarize all:
This U.S. Government way to deal with mass-murders and blame Video-Games is the most stupid way to deal with the real problem (The Govt. Itself). But we all know that the Govt. like to play mind games & lie; divide & confuse people in order to keep the power over us.


+5000

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 22, 2013 21:07)

Government, Schools, and parenting.... Are the big problems today. I love it because my kids or my sisters kid, everyone that meets them go wow you kids are well mannered, respectful and they work hard, seems to be uncommon these days unfortunately.

You made good points and there are more of course.....


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 23, 2013 02:14)

Originally posted by Mrguss:
But we all know that the Govt. like to play mind games & lie; divide & confuse people in order to keep the power over us.

You're lucky to at least be living in a democracy... do something about it!


Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 24, 2013 03:34)

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
But we all know that the Govt. like to play mind games & lie; divide & confuse people in order to keep the power over us.

You're lucky to at least be living in a democracy... do something about it!


Back to the jokes again I see. We are far from a Democracy although that might be the image they would like to portray.


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 24, 2013 05:15)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
But we all know that the Govt. like to play mind games & lie; divide & confuse people in order to keep the power over us.

You're lucky to at least be living in a democracy... do something about it!


Back to the jokes again I see. We are far from a Democracy although that might be the image they would like to portray.


Democracy is not perfect or ideal... it is a work in progress... it has been for millennia and always will be. I feel I'm reasoning with a spoilt brat.


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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 24, 2013 11:30)

Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
But we all know that the Govt. like to play mind games & lie; divide & confuse people in order to keep the power over us.

You're lucky to at least be living in a democracy... do something about it!


Back to the jokes again I see. We are far from a Democracy although that might be the image they would like to portray.


Democracy is not perfect or ideal... it is a work in progress... it has been for millennia and always will be. I feel I'm reasoning with a spoilt brat.


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Nothing in life is "Democracy is not perfect or ideal..." I don't think your "feel" is on point. Actually you are way off, kind of what I've danced around prior... But there is truly no point to continue this path further either is there.


Comment by: Jemborg (Feb 24, 2013 12:09)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
But we all know that the Govt. like to play mind games & lie; divide & confuse people in order to keep the power over us.

You're lucky to at least be living in a democracy... do something about it!


Back to the jokes again I see. We are far from a Democracy although that might be the image they would like to portray.


Democracy is not perfect or ideal... it is a work in progress... it has been for millennia and always will be. I feel I'm reasoning with a spoilt brat.


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Nothing in life is "Democracy is not perfect or ideal..." I don't think your "feel" is on point. Actually you are way off, kind of what I've danced around prior... But there is truly no point to continue this path further either is there.


I understand that democracy does not fit your naive "utopian" vision. I know I'm bang on point but trying to remain as civil as I can... so I used the words "I feel".

I should also have put the words "perfect" and "ideal" in quotes but I overestimated your ability to read things in context... my bad.


Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


   

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