News

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 21, 2011 14:24)

Originally posted by dalecore:

---

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

---

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

hd dvd is dead and never coming back ... that pic looks ugly and doesn't look like next gen console and it will not sell well.

---

HD DVD may be dead for video standards but that doesn't mean Microsoft can't alter the medium for video games. This way they don't have to pay Sony licensing fees for Blu-Ray but move to a higher capacity medium.

---

i thought ms already using hd dvd for gaming isn't that why the game cost 60.00 same price as ps3 blu ray games?

---

Nope up until this point in time they were still using the standard DVD format. They only offered an add-on for HD-DVD and once HD-DVD got phased out so did the add-on. I guess you can call it a safe move on microsofts behalf.

---

I dunno looking at how elusive HD DVD is/was it would have been better for them to have went with HDDVD from the start.

Comment by: buxtahuda (Oct 21, 2011 14:32)

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

---

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

hd dvd is dead and never coming back ... that pic looks ugly and doesn't look like next gen console and it will not sell well.

---

HD DVD may be dead for video standards but that doesn't mean Microsoft can't alter the medium for video games. This way they don't have to pay Sony licensing fees for Blu-Ray but move to a higher capacity medium.

---

It will be something along these lines. Don't I remember reading one of their spokesman say they will under no circumstances give in to the BluRay "craze?" Pretty sure they're all about getting paid royalties or whatever but aren't willing to do the same vice versa; they'll kill themselves off before they start giving Sony $10 a console or whatever licensing costs are.

Comment by: xaznboitx (Oct 21, 2011 14:32)

also there was an update for 360 that uses Dual layer disc unless update not out yet but I know there was a beta ver out for testing few months ago. PS3 uncharted 3 almost couldn't fit into blu ray disc format.

Comment by: Mr_Bill06 (Oct 21, 2011 15:15)

Xbox 360 has always had support for dual layer DVDs. The firmware I believe you are talking about is MS is doing something different with the way discs data is written to them and they get a few hundred MB of extra data on the disc. I can see MS using HDDVD if they don't want to pay Sony for blu use. They would be stupid to do that because not many people own HDDVD's any more. Almost all consoles to come out in the future will support the newest medium out and that is blu-ray.

Comment by: core2kid (Oct 21, 2011 16:14)

If it's SD DVD, make some space for those game collections
https://forums.playfire.com/_proxy/?[im...00dea73d2[/img]

How the hell do I get images in the forum?

Comment by: DVDBack23 (Oct 21, 2011 16:48)

Originally posted by core2kid:

---

If it's SD DVD, make some space for those game collections
https://forums.playfire.com/_proxy/?url...bc576600dea73d2

How the hell do I get images in the forum?

---

Just hit the [IMG] button next to the </> and url buttons.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 21, 2011 16:49)

n/m you fixed the post LOL

Comment by: JST1946 (Oct 21, 2011 17:57)

We all may be dead by then so what's the big deal.

Comment by: core2kid (Oct 21, 2011 18:03)

Originally posted by DVDBack23:

---

Originally posted by core2kid:

---

If it's SD DVD, make some space for those game collections
https://forums.playfire.com/_proxy/?url...bc576600dea73d2

How the hell do I get images in the forum?

---

Just hit the [IMG] button next to the </> and url buttons.

---

I think mines broken. I did that, now you can see the tags in the forum lol.

Comment by: Xplorer4 (Oct 22, 2011 00:58)

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

i thought ms already using hd dvd for gaming isn't that why the game cost 60.00 same price as ps3 blu ray games?

---

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

also there was an update for 360 that uses Dual layer disc unless update not out yet but I know there was a beta ver out for testing few months ago. PS3 uncharted 3 almost couldn't fit into blu ray disc format.

---

Wow dude, have you been living under a rock? lol. 360 has used DL DVDs since day 1.

Comment by: KillerBug (Oct 22, 2011 07:33)

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

i thought ms already using hd dvd for gaming isn't that why the game cost 60.00 same price as ps3 blu ray games?

---

No, they cost $60 because they know they can get it. The difference in production costs between a DVD and an HD media format is negligible. One important bit that Nintendo seems to be missing is that it is useful for a device to be able to do more than one thing. DVD support was enough of a side use when the 360 was launched...and now BluRay support has become that same minimum. Like it or not, BluRay won the war and it isn't even the future...it is the present.

Comment by: Xplorer4 (Oct 22, 2011 12:42)

Originally posted by KillerBug:

---

One important bit that Nintendo seems to be missing is that it is useful for a device to be able to do more than one thing. DVD support was enough of a side use when the 360 was launched...and now BluRay support has become that same minimum. Like it or not, BluRay won the war and it isn't even the future...it is the present.

---

I have to respectfully disagree with you there. I really dont think the ability to play DVD(360) or BluRay(PS3) is a really all that vital. Look at the Wii, despite the inability to play DVDs, by default, it was dominating the console war this time around. Sony was able to capitalize on the fact the PS3 was the cheapest BluRay player on the market in the early days, but a new BluRay player can be had for under $90 now. Is DVD/BluRay playback convenient? Sure, I admit I use my PS3 and 360 for those uses in my living room entertainment center, but the fact Nintendo can sell the Wii as is I think Microsoft and Sony could leave out video playback and still make a killing. Actually, I hate to say it, but it would be smart of Sony to disable BluRay playback. Most people will buy a BluRay player in time(I believe DVD is still outselling BluRay at this time) and then Sony is in a win win situation. Not only do they make money from the console, they make a slight profit regardless of if the customer picks out a top of the line or bottom of the line BluRay player.

Comment by: xaznboitx (Oct 22, 2011 14:31)

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

---

Originally posted by KillerBug:

---

One important bit that Nintendo seems to be missing is that it is useful for a device to be able to do more than one thing. DVD support was enough of a side use when the 360 was launched...and now BluRay support has become that same minimum. Like it or not, BluRay won the war and it isn't even the future...it is the present.

---

I have to respectfully disagree with you there. I really dont think the ability to play DVD(360) or BluRay(PS3) is a really all that vital. Look at the Wii, despite the inability to play DVDs, by default, it was dominating the console war this time around. Sony was able to capitalize on the fact the PS3 was the cheapest BluRay player on the market in the early days, but a new BluRay player can be had for under $90 now. Is DVD/BluRay playback convenient? Sure, I admit I use my PS3 and 360 for those uses in my living room entertainment center, but the fact Nintendo can sell the Wii as is I think Microsoft and Sony could leave out video playback and still make a killing. Actually, I hate to say it, but it would be smart of Sony to disable BluRay playback. Most people will buy a BluRay player in time(I believe DVD is still outselling BluRay at this time) and then Sony is in a win win situation. Not only do they make money from the console, they make a slight profit regardless of if the customer picks out a top of the line or bottom of the line BluRay player.

---

PS3 would cost 200.00 if they get rid of blu ray movies playback unless they have update where it kills it which still makes the console cost 250.00

wiiu will have blu ray for gaming but not for movies.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 22, 2011 14:55)

Originally posted by xaznboitx:

---

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

---

Originally posted by KillerBug:

---

One important bit that Nintendo seems to be missing is that it is useful for a device to be able to do more than one thing. DVD support was enough of a side use when the 360 was launched...and now BluRay support has become that same minimum. Like it or not, BluRay won the war and it isn't even the future...it is the present.

---

I have to respectfully disagree with you there. I really dont think the ability to play DVD(360) or BluRay(PS3) is a really all that vital. Look at the Wii, despite the inability to play DVDs, by default, it was dominating the console war this time around. Sony was able to capitalize on the fact the PS3 was the cheapest BluRay player on the market in the early days, but a new BluRay player can be had for under $90 now. Is DVD/BluRay playback convenient? Sure, I admit I use my PS3 and 360 for those uses in my living room entertainment center, but the fact Nintendo can sell the Wii as is I think Microsoft and Sony could leave out video playback and still make a killing. Actually, I hate to say it, but it would be smart of Sony to disable BluRay playback. Most people will buy a BluRay player in time(I believe DVD is still outselling BluRay at this time) and then Sony is in a win win situation. Not only do they make money from the console, they make a slight profit regardless of if the customer picks out a top of the line or bottom of the line BluRay player.

---

PS3 would cost 200.00 if they get rid of blu ray movies playback unless they have update where it kills it which still makes the console cost 250.00

wiiu will have blu ray for gaming but not for movies.

---

Umm no.....its the same lazer unit either way thus the price is the same, this is mostly a firmware deal with maybe 10-20$ in hardware and frankly I can't think of anything hardware wise a game has thats not used in film playback.

Comment by: Interestx (Oct 24, 2011 01:57)

Simply for the downloading side of things I expect them to make it with a big hard drive (1tb, minimum).
So if they have that & work like a PC then nobody will care about multiple discs if they stick with DVD.
'Only' having DVD certainly isn't stopping great games appearing on PC.
Although I doubt it - even though I expect DVD movie playback will certainly be in there whatever they do.

Personally I suspect the HD DVD triple layer (51gb) tech will get an outing.
It'll be for games only.
Nobody will be able to get hold of blank TL discs or TL HD DVD burners which means a huge leap in security for MS (and we all know how they all covet that).

As for Blu-ray playback?
Who cares when standalone players are now so cheap?

(and they use a hell of a lot less power than a game console, something we are going to have to start thinking about as energy costs keep going up and up)

Comment by: buxtahuda (Oct 24, 2011 12:42)

Originally posted by Xplorer4:

---

Originally posted by KillerBug:

---

One important bit that Nintendo seems to be missing is that it is useful for a device to be able to do more than one thing. DVD support was enough of a side use when the 360 was launched...and now BluRay support has become that same minimum. Like it or not, BluRay won the war and it isn't even the future...it is the present.

---

I have to respectfully disagree with you there. I really dont think the ability to play DVD(360) or BluRay(PS3) is a really all that vital. Look at the Wii, despite the inability to play DVDs, by default, it was dominating the console war this time around. Sony was able to capitalize on the fact the PS3 was the cheapest BluRay player on the market in the early days, but a new BluRay player can be had for under $90 now. Is DVD/BluRay playback convenient? Sure, I admit I use my PS3 and 360 for those uses in my living room entertainment center, but the fact Nintendo can sell the Wii as is I think Microsoft and Sony could leave out video playback and still make a killing. Actually, I hate to say it, but it would be smart of Sony to disable BluRay playback. Most people will buy a BluRay player in time(I believe DVD is still outselling BluRay at this time) and then Sony is in a win win situation. Not only do they make money from the console, they make a slight profit regardless of if the customer picks out a top of the line or bottom of the line BluRay player.

---

I don't think so. They're not that expensive, and Blu Ray is Sony technology; they're trying to have all the edge over the other consoles. Get rid of BR movie playback, which just wouldn't make since considering the hardware is required for the games as well, and people (me at least) would just opt for another console. Then you don't get HD movies along with the subtraction of OtherOS and inability to do normal voice chat outside a game or play music during a game. It's a good selling point that almost makes up for a lot of bad choices and inefficient utilization of the system's resources.

And so you want them to remove features and screw consumers even harder? I don't get it, I love the fact that I have my one, single device that can cover all my movie needs including streaming my own content as well as others'; it's like saying DVD players also don't need to play CD's and that neither should have the original Playstation so that people would have to buy CD players specifically for their home entertainment system. F*ck that, space needs to be saved, power consumed slowly, and heat put out in as small amounts as possible. I don't need 5 devices stacked around thanks.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 24, 2011 13:29)

Meh Sony is just a part of blu ry tech, since blu ray is the defacto film format MS will most likely go with blu ray.

Comment by: Don_Makaveli (Oct 25, 2011 23:55)

I may be a little fuzzy on these things, but wasnt toshiba the creator of the blu-ray technology not Sony. If that was the case M$ wouldnt have to license anything from their direct competition.

Personally I am of the opinion that M$ will incorporate both BD support and HD download capabilities. It would be stupid not to have both with dvd technology being nearly 20 years old.

The future is not only supporting new technology but also making as much money as possible on your old software. Thats why Sony, Xbox and Wii have no backwards compatibility and require you to purchase the games you want to play all over again and a fraction of the original cost.

Comment by: Interestx (Oct 26, 2011 01:07)

@ Don_Makaveli

The thing a lot of people seem to be forgetting in all of this is the Japanese tsunami and its effects.
The Japanese are right now developing energy-efficient devices for all they are worth - and its what Japan is buying.

Expect this to spread & catch on as energy prices everywhere just keep on going up & up & up.

A game console doubling up as a movie player is just a waste of energy.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a move to single purpose devices which are highly energy efficient, and a PS3 or an Xbox 360 as a movie disc player is just not.
Why burn 80 - 100w when less than 25w will do the job as well if not better?

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 26, 2011 01:37)

Originally posted by Interestx:

---

@ Don_Makaveli

The thing a lot of people seem to be forgetting in all of this is the Japanese tsunami and its effects.
The Japanese are right now developing energy-efficient devices for all they are worth - and its what Japan is buying.

Expect this to spread & catch on as energy prices everywhere just keep on going up & up & up.

A game console doubling up as a movie player is just a waste of energy.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a move to single purpose devices which are highly energy efficient, and a PS3 or an Xbox 360 as a movie disc player is just not.
Why burn 80 - 100w when less than 25w will do the job as well if not better?

---

So having 2 devices plugged in all the time is better than one?

Comment by: buxtahuda (Oct 26, 2011 12:29)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

---

Originally posted by Interestx:

---

@ Don_Makaveli

The thing a lot of people seem to be forgetting in all of this is the Japanese tsunami and its effects.
The Japanese are right now developing energy-efficient devices for all they are worth - and its what Japan is buying.

Expect this to spread & catch on as energy prices everywhere just keep on going up & up & up.

A game console doubling up as a movie player is just a waste of energy.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a move to single purpose devices which are highly energy efficient, and a PS3 or an Xbox 360 as a movie disc player is just not.
Why burn 80 - 100w when less than 25w will do the job as well if not better?

---

So having 2 devices plugged in all the time is better than one?

---

That's my thing. If I wasn't playing a game my system would most likely stay running anyway, because I'll want to start right where I left off and a movie would only be a break. Plus it's convenient, I see who's online and can still hop in to a game quickly. I think that really, just one device taking up a bit more is better than 5 taking up the same amount.

Comment by: Interestx (Oct 26, 2011 14:54)

Wow, don't you guys ever switch off appliances when you're not using them?

Jeez talk about lining the power companies pockets for no good reason.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 26, 2011 14:58)

Originally posted by Interestx:

---

Wow, don't you guys ever switch off appliances when you're not using them?

Jeez talk about lining the power companies pockets for no good reason.

---

I turn mine off but do not unplug them, which is almost the same thing.

Comment by: ruff469 (Oct 26, 2011 15:59)

All of you are so hyped on the media playback but IMHO Blu-ray would be best but that is probably the least best feature that should be added to that new machine. Multi-screen setup is the only real upgrade they need to focus on. Which means they would have to have a super GPU in that system. I mean it's ridiculous that I have one of the best console sim racers and I literally have to have 3 copies of the game as well as 3 consoles. So many games would benefit from this type of gameplay.

As far as movie playing I stream everything. I can stream 720 from my pc which to me is good enough.

Comment by: buxtahuda (Oct 26, 2011 16:14)

Originally posted by Interestx:

---

Wow, don't you guys ever switch off appliances when you're not using them?

Jeez talk about lining the power companies pockets for no good reason.

---

Not really. I mean, even in the middle of summer/winter our bill isn't that much, and I've never noticed enough of a difference to spend all the time it takes to walk around plugging/unplugging devices. Some things I could understand, lamps that don't get used often or the microwave or something, if you like to be OCD. But my PS3 gets used too often to worry with plugging it in and waiting for it to start, then waiting for the game to start, check for updates, and read the harddrive several times a day.

I'll unplug things when we'll be away for an extended time, but really it's too much of a hassle to do for everything everyday. Might as well just flip off all the breakers except the kitchen and AC unit, that seems more at ease and would keep any stand-by as well.

If we need efficiency, we need it in devices that do multiple things, we need to be efficient both in consumption and in space usage; again, I don't particularly feel the need for four devices awkwardly stacked around my entertainment center even if they use half the power when running all at ounce. I don't understand how we haven't moved on to strictly PC gaming considering the relatively small/cheap hardware that's floating around that could out-perform these consoles any day; we really should only need one device for all our multimedia needs even if it consumes a bit more power for the ability of being all-in-one.

I'm sorry, it just seems as though you're suggesting the best step is a step backwards. We've moved away from one device for one use and that's how it should be. Have a read of The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven; I feel that if we're trying to advance we need advance in a way similar to the "Moties" they find in the book, we need few, efficient devices for many many different uses.