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Comment by: Gdot73 (May 07, 2011 03:23)

Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by Gdot73:

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too bad the dumb casuals & family parents dont read this sorta stuff & stop buying sony's sh1t. not a single ngp/psp2 should be bought by anyone, but obv that wont happen. i jus got me a ps3 to take advantage of like a whore, 2nd hand ofcourse, no money for sony.

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I find it funny that people think they're somehow clever hiding from Sony by buying 2nd hand Sony products. You're still helping Sony indirectly, because you're using USED Sony products. Also, the guy/gal you bought the used item from, you paid him/her money. You can't stop him/her from spending that money on more Sony products, duh.

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they sold it to me because they didnt want it i assume, could steer them away from it in future if they had their console & it didnt get played. doubt much of the used console money goes to them

Comment by: seegee (May 07, 2011 05:21)

Originally posted by brockie:

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@g_slide why would they need to plant it in peoples minds its obvious all this crap started over hacking, Sony can not make me think or feel anything. anyways hope who ever did this is getting closer to being found & put in jail for many years.

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The fact that you are supporting sony is proof enough for me that sony can and does control your thoughts. It appears that, after all the abuse sony has thrown at us (drm, rootkits, firmware updates that remove features, etc) you would still purchase sony products and accept more arrogant abuse. Kudos to sony for carefully orchestrating their marketing and consumer relations in order to hook you for life.

Comment by: CAPTNCOD (May 08, 2011 05:31)

Wow, Sony is giving us 30 days of + and some ID theft protection program, nothing but junk spam. That's not all they are giving us though, they also will be giving us useless updates about updates?! They will continue to charge the gamers that do subscribe to PSN + every month without service. They will continue to lie. Sony has a deadline with me and should with all of you (they work for us) and that day is May 11. Sony, if it's not up by then YOUR FIRED and I will buy an Xbox the next day.

Comment by: evnflow03 (May 08, 2011 07:50)

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For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.

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true, it was a 3rd party that found the file, but is it so far fetched, that it was placed there by someone wanting to push the blame off of themselves? or by sony looking for an out? it is their network, and they would have had to look at it first, before handing everything over for a third-party to look into it..

Anonymous' motto is fairly widespread and public..their short-fall and greatest weapon is that anyone can be anonymous and that they don't readily know or have an official group ..it's a double-edged sword..

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The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~

Quote:Have you identified the individual(s) responsible for the breach?

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Their answer was a clear and direct "No."

There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture

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the release, stating that the file was found on their network, with Anonymous' motto, is enough of an accusation..they needed a third party to find that file to lend it more "credibility"..if the person or person(s) responsible were smart enough to crack their network..why be so stupid as to leave behind your calling card, instead of just disappearing without a trace?..it just doesn't seem to add up..

Just an opinion and thoughts..hope nothing is taken as being said as personal..and to be honest, it's up in the air, on how this is going to play out..either way i hope whoever is responsible..be it Anonymous, a very smart criminal, or even Sony..are held accountable for their actions and punished for what has happened..

Comment by: sundean (May 08, 2011 08:59)

At least if they had a few options left or some open servers created from the hackers (Anonymous) to making it or some option for us to have servers to play.
By Anonymous I mean do you open or create a new server so we can log into PSN or something I lose not only money but also friends too

Comment by: xboxdvl2 (May 08, 2011 10:14)

if sony goes down we are stuck with xbox,nintendo and pc for gaming.nintendo games are aimed at kids and women.xbox live isnt free.gaming on pc is decent if you got a few hundred $$$ to spend on a new graphics card every 3months.sony are stupid for provoking & taking legal action against hackers and for letting psn get hacked (probably by pissing off hackers) but they still make quality games and car sterios.

Comment by: plazma247 (May 08, 2011 10:26)

@xboxdvl2 are you kidding, their car stereos suck i sould know ive got one !!, worst CD Player ever, list of faults:

1. Forgets subs is attached randomly turns off amp channel
2. Volume control is main control and its easy to jog functions.
3. Bluetooth microphone actually behind font facia (its pants)
4. Digital anti skip is like 2 seconds

i could go on, i was always a firm believer in kenwood sound systems, my last one was capable of still playing cds without skipping with the car air born !! bah off to bassjunkies, out with the Cronies Product and in with a Kenwood again....

PS the difference in the sub 100hz range on my Sony is pretty poor when compared to that of all my previous 6 kenwood units. When your diving 15" of Rockford Punch you really hear it...

Comment by: kfir1 (May 08, 2011 10:49)

I really dont care what happens to sony. I sold my ps3. And I dont buy any sony products anymore. Sony just sucks. So, go ahead hackers bring PSN down and the rest of sony.

Comment by: Gdot73 (May 08, 2011 11:59)

Originally posted by evnflow03:

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For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.

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true, it was a 3rd party that found the file, but is it so far fetched, that it was placed there by someone wanting to push the blame off of themselves? or by sony looking for an out? it is their network, and they would have had to look at it first, before handing everything over for a third-party to look into it..

Anonymous' motto is fairly widespread and public..their short-fall and greatest weapon is that anyone can be anonymous and that they don't readily know or have an official group ..it's a double-edged sword..

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The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~

Quote:Have you identified the individual(s) responsible for the breach?

Source

Their answer was a clear and direct "No."

There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture

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the release, stating that the file was found on their network, with Anonymous' motto, is enough of an accusation..they needed a third party to find that file to lend it more "credibility"..if the person or person(s) responsible were smart enough to crack their network..why be so stupid as to leave behind your calling card, instead of just disappearing without a trace?..it just doesn't seem to add up..

Just an opinion and thoughts..hope nothing is taken as being said as personal..and to be honest, it's up in the air, on how this is going to play out..either way i hope whoever is responsible..be it Anonymous, a very smart criminal, or even Sony..are held accountable for their actions and punished for what has happened..

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ita sony being punished for trying to fight hackers & stating that anyone who watched a video would be fined. their dumb accusations made people fight back & rightfully so, they deserve every negative they get. i'll never buy another sony product new for atleast the next 10 years because of what they said. dont try & fight us, the community that discuss your product. once we own it we can do anything we like with it no matter what. if we can get games for free, or back up our games to hdd, then we will do it because we own the system & can modify it in any way we choose. im waitin for my 3.60 cfw, as iv just bought a ps3, used ofcourse =]

Comment by: xboxdvl2 (May 08, 2011 12:09)

Originally posted by plazma247:

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@xboxdvl2 are you kidding, their car stereos suck i sould know ive got one !!, worst CD Player ever, list of faults:

1. Forgets subs is attached randomly turns off amp channel
2. Volume control is main control and its easy to jog functions.
3. Bluetooth microphone actually behind font facia (its pants)
4. Digital anti skip is like 2 seconds

i could go on, i was always a firm believer in kenwood sound systems, my last one was capable of still playing cds without skipping with the car air born !! bah off to bassjunkies, out with the Cronies Product and in with a Kenwood again....

PS the difference in the sub 100hz range on my Sony is pretty poor when compared to that of all my previous 6 kenwood units. When your diving 15" of Rockford Punch you really hear it...

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the sub/amp problem might be bad wiring.not sure about the other problems.(correction)they use to make decent car sterios.im thinking pioneer cd/mp3 player for my next car.havnt really done much with car sterios since about 03.ken wood is out of my price range.all there products are very high priced here.
anyway when i get a decent car for $2500 or less(which is turning out to be extremely hard) and have money to spend on a car sterio i well start a thread in other topics.

Comment by: LordRuss (May 08, 2011 17:35)

Just to jump on the "other than console" electronic bandwagon as well...

Other than purchasing the PS3 for a handful of games that I wanted and the addition of a bluray player kicked in (for fear of not wanting to pay and exorbitant price when the whole hi-definition parade kicked off) I have only owned a frightfully few Sony products myself.

Their car audio is belligerently shite. I agree that Kenwood and Alpine have rounded out most of my aftermarket there. All of my home audio has either been Pioneer or Kenwood (presently Sony, but only for the mere fact that it was for free & that that fact only); otherwise I have saved my nickles & dimes for the higher end stuff that makes most people sick to hear about anyway & starts a flaming war.

My point being that Sony really didn't merit my money then and certainly not now. It just seems at times we all get roped into 'tasting' the Cool Aid, not necessarily the whole chug-a-lug contest.

Now that I mention it... I don't think I added a damn thing to this part of the forum at all... Well, hopefully a smile, anyway.

Comment by: Jemborg (May 08, 2011 18:46)

Have not bought anything from Mony for ages.

But it's occurred to me that after this fracas I might be able to pick up a cheap s/h one for the few exclusives I'm interested in... like "Blob of War the PMSing".

As to the blew-ray... meh, prefer the decent one in my HTS-PC coupled mit AnyDVD. It's GFX did cost several PS3s after all. It's actually rather useful.

Is that right... if I get it s/h it has to be account de-activated or whateveritis? Otherwise it won't update? If that's so... WTF?

Can't see the Anon group behind this myself. Their attack usually only extend to a low orbit ion cannon.


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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: LordRuss (May 08, 2011 18:55)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Have not bought anything from Mony for ages.

But it's occurred to me that after this fracas I might be able to pick up a cheap s/h one for the few exclusives I'm interested in... like "Blob of War the PMSing".

As to the blew-ray... meh, prefer the decent one in my HTS-PC coupled mit AnyDVD. It's GFX did cost several PS3s after all. It's actually rather useful.

Is that right... if I get it s/h it has to be account de-activated or whateveritis? Otherwise it won't update? If that's so... WTF?

Can't see the Anon group behind this myself. Their attack usually only extend to a low orbit ion cannon.


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Getting back on track, I'm in full agreement...

Comment by: airman (May 09, 2011 03:32)

Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

Comment by: SomeBozo (May 09, 2011 04:27)

Originally posted by airman:

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Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

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Might depend, example where a good lawyer helps. The companies that might have been hit hard may not have had the correct working in the EULA (End User License Agreement), while Sony i bet had we only warranty the value of the machine for total damages, which would be the part that might be settled in court once someone can prove they suffered loss because of sony's negligence. For me sony running with unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks did nothing. In my mind there is a clear example of negligence on sony's part.

In the example of other companies getting hit hard, it all depends on the information itself as well.

I personally would love to see sony get hit hard, mainly to be an example for others that private information must be kept private. Additionally data within the company should be encrypted and require a hardware dongle or a certificate only available internally (or both) in order to read the data. It should be that if someone is able to hack in and copy the data files they should be useless without the correct encryption keys. So again i think sony is not just negligent but grossly negligent...

Comment by: airman (May 09, 2011 06:56)

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by airman:

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Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

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Might depend, example where a good lawyer helps. The companies that might have been hit hard may not have had the correct working in the EULA (End User License Agreement), while Sony i bet had we only warranty the value of the machine for total damages, which would be the part that might be settled in court once someone can prove they suffered loss because of sony's negligence. For me sony running with unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks did nothing. In my mind there is a clear example of negligence on sony's part.

In the example of other companies getting hit hard, it all depends on the information itself as well.

I personally would love to see sony get hit hard, mainly to be an example for others that private information must be kept private. Additionally data within the company should be encrypted and require a hardware dongle or a certificate only available internally (or both) in order to read the data. It should be that if someone is able to hack in and copy the data files they should be useless without the correct encryption keys. So again i think sony is not just negligent but grossly negligent...

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I'm not so sure about the lawyers. In the other cases it was the government who found the companies negligent and they are now required by law to protect that information even where the potential for loss exists. So the size of the awards has been based on the size of the breaches. Of course it depends on the agencies and who has friends where... OTOH some pretty large organizations have had some pretty stiff fines for failure to protect their customers information. With Sony getting off pretty much scott free over the root kit affair, it would only seem like poetic justice for them to get hauled over the coals on this one.

Comment by: TrinUK (May 09, 2011 12:39)

Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by TrinUK:

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Yes I think you did miss something - They claimed the PS3 would allow users to play PS2 games and the PS3 would allow users to install another operating system which would take full advantage of the PS3's hardware. Both statements were false. Not all units could play PS2 games and those that could did not have 100% compatibility. Then the relaunch of the slim ditches PS2 support! As for other OS? Even with the other OS option enabled? This did not give users full access to the PS3 hardware but restricted access (Graphics were restricted and deliberately not supported in other OS mode). This was done to prevent users working on a translated PS2 emulator or emulators that require extensive 3D hardware support. Lies

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Okay, what you said is very esoteric, it's far from "lied about everything." You have valid points, but I've to say, most gamers don't really care. I'm not going to debate full BC, OtherOS and emulators simply because that's not the reasons I bought my PS3. On the other hand, PSN is down and still down, a pain...

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I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldnt be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

Comment by: LordRuss (May 09, 2011 14:07)

I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

But then they'll want to track each time you played what game, watched program, went to the toilet, hit the fridge, had a wank, etc... Steve Jobs is even more of mind control freak than I care to imagine. But that's just my bent imagination...

Try my old blog for a good laugh... Russell's World

Comment by: TrinUK (May 09, 2011 14:27)

Originally posted by LordRuss:

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I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

But then they'll want to track each time you played what game, watched program, went to the toilet, hit the fridge, had a wank, etc... Steve Jobs is even more of mind control freak than I care to imagine. But that's just my bent imagination...

Try my old blog for a good laugh... Russell's World

That's why I dont own a eye phone, eye pad or eye mac - ha ha. Apple should replace their logo with the all seeing eye and add the moto "resistance is futile". Then again, any item connected to the national grid is open to privacy invasion thanks to Mossad and the CIA.

Comment by: LordRuss (May 09, 2011 15:26)

Originally posted by TrinUK:

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Originally posted by LordRuss:

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I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

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But then they'll want to track each time you played what game, watched program, went to the toilet, hit the fridge, had a wank, etc... Steve Jobs is even more of mind control freak than I care to imagine. But that's just my bent imagination...

Try my old blog for a good laugh... Russell's World

That's why I dont own a eye phone, eye pad or eye mac - ha ha. Apple should replace their logo with the all seeing eye and add the moto "resistance is futile". Then again, any item connected to the national grid is open to privacy invasion thanks to Mossad and the CIA.

I know I'm getting old, but I think I just caught on to what the whole "i" thing is about on the head end of all those components that Stevie has been putting out... your printing of "eye" put it in complete perspective for me! Thank god I haven't bought any of that crap either.

I put you in for sainthood... be on the look out in your mailbox for your decoder ring!

Comment by: Oner (May 09, 2011 16:48)

Originally posted by evnflow03:

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For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.

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true, it was a 3rd party that found the file, but is it so far fetched, that it was placed there by someone wanting to push the blame off of themselves? or by sony looking for an out? it is their network, and they would have had to look at it first, before handing everything over for a third-party to look into it..

Anonymous' motto is fairly widespread and public..their short-fall and greatest weapon is that anyone can be anonymous and that they don't readily know or have an official group ..it's a double-edged sword..

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The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~

Quote:Have you identified the individual(s) responsible for the breach?

Source

Their answer was a clear and direct "No."

There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture

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the release, stating that the file was found on their network, with Anonymous' motto, is enough of an accusation..they needed a third party to find that file to lend it more "credibility"..if the person or person(s) responsible were smart enough to crack their network..why be so stupid as to leave behind your calling card, instead of just disappearing without a trace?..it just doesn't seem to add up..

Just an opinion and thoughts..hope nothing is taken as being said as personal..and to be honest, it's up in the air, on how this is going to play out..either way i hope whoever is responsible..be it Anonymous, a very smart criminal, or even Sony..are held accountable for their actions and punished for what has happened..

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Understandable but when you look at what we know so far it doesn't make sense. Remember An0nymous just before the outage said specifically "Sony prepare for the biggest attack you have ever witnessed An0nymous style" then the BIGGEST attack happens only for them to backtrack and claim "we did not do this" when Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, and other multiple security firm/legal entities get involved!?

Now as I said it may not have been An0nOps but that doesn't mean An0n isn't behind this. Your whole group is about "An0ns" so you can't say it wasn't "An0ns" when you don't even know who "An0ns" really are in your group now can you? It's a double edge sword that they don't want to admit to owning. Plus it seems like a bunch of immature people who are trying to cover their asses now because of how much heat is coming at them from World Wide agencies (remember the HSA, DoJ & etc can't be the only ones investigating this).

Am I saying it 100% solid evidence. No. But for people to instantly give an excuse when there is no proof it wasn't them, with a stupid pseudo reverse conspiracy theory when all facts say other wise (DDoS, Orchestrated Gatherings, Press Releases, Multiple warnings & the biggest last warning). It all cannot just be brushed under the rug that easily with a "Sony planted it" conspiracy THEORY based off no fact or proof. I really don't see "Sony" chancing/lying to the US congress and all these agencies (of which are the ones who found the file) less credible than a conspiracy theory from those blinded by a biased hatred.

Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by airman:

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Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

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Might depend, example where a good lawyer helps. The companies that might have been hit hard may not have had the correct working in the EULA (End User License Agreement), while Sony i bet had we only warranty the value of the machine for total damages, which would be the part that might be settled in court once someone can prove they suffered loss because of sony's negligence. For me sony running with unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks did nothing. In my mind there is a clear example of negligence on sony's part.

In the example of other companies getting hit hard, it all depends on the information itself as well.

I personally would love to see sony get hit hard, mainly to be an example for others that private information must be kept private. Additionally data within the company should be encrypted and require a hardware dongle or a certificate only available internally (or both) in order to read the data. It should be that if someone is able to hack in and copy the data files they should be useless without the correct encryption keys. So again i think sony is not just negligent but grossly negligent...

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That is not truthfully accurate information you are speaking and where the propagation of a misinformed comment that continues to grow lies. The misnomer of

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unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks

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is not true. It started from 1 comment that came from an IRC chat of which was NEVER CONFIRMED as valid. Then only to be blown out of proportion and made int FUD headlines by forum posts and "journalists" who never fact checked ANYTHING of which then ultimately made it to Dr. Eugene Spafford's testimony before Congress of which he was citing unverified/untrue information! This "security expert" in a written statement said ~

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I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date and had been warned about that risk.

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Thus PROVING he had no first-hand knowledge of the state of Sony's servers or Sony's knowledge about possible exploits. He didn't know a damned thing and literally just repeated empty unsubstantiated claims he read in the media!

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And now people consistently claim this as fact everywhere. It has basically become the game of telephone (explanation) just like so many other media BS.

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Comment by: Jemborg (May 09, 2011 17:17)

Originally posted by TrinUK:

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I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldnt be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

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Do you mean to say that if Mony turned around and stated, "in the interests of better security and improving the service we have decided to charge our users $2 per week", you would give up PSN? Surely not?

At first I laughed at the notion of Crapple producing a gaming console, but on second thoughts it's not so outrageous a idea. :)

On other fronts... still can't believe people are making excuses for Mony and believing everything they say.

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: Gnawnivek (May 09, 2011 17:54)

Originally posted by Oner:

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unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks

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is not true. It started from 1 comment that came from an IRC chat of which was NEVER CONFIRMED as valid. Then only to be blown out of proportion and made int FUD headlines by forum posts and "journalists" who never fact checked ANYTHING of which then ultimately made it to Dr. Eugene Spafford's testimony before Congress of which he was citing unverified/untrue information! This "security expert" in a written statement said ~

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I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date and had been warned about that risk.

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Thus PROVING he had no first-hand knowledge of the state of Sony's servers or Sony's knowledge about possible exploits. He didn't know a damned thing and literally just repeated empty unsubstantiated claims he read in the media!

SOURCE & SUPPLEMENTAL

And now people consistently claim this as fact everywhere. It has basically become the game of telephone (explanation) just like so many other media BS.

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Thanks for clearing it up Oner, learned something new :)

Comment by: LordRuss (May 09, 2011 20:17)

You know, outlandish as it is for Sony to draw fire onto Anonymous for whatever reason (probably for breathing room at the moment): How about I raise a stink...

I would like to make this outlandish statement...

I think "Sony" is the one that has actually violated the client security. I say someone (or group) within their own company has actually stolen their own client information and has made off with it.

Sure its conspiracy, but not so outlandish that it throws off the FBI of a few days for Sony to do their own internal investigation and attempt to solve, prosecute and implement its own solution before the public as a whole can class action their own wrath.

Comment by: Oner (May 09, 2011 23:00)

Originally posted by LordRuss:

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You know, outlandish as it is for Sony to draw fire onto Anonymous for whatever reason (probably for breathing room at the moment): How about I raise a stink...

I would like to make this outlandish statement...

I think "Sony" is the one that has actually violated the client security. I say someone (or group) within their own company has actually stolen their own client information and has made off with it.

Sure its conspiracy, but not so outlandish that it throws off the FBI of a few days for Sony to do their own internal investigation and attempt to solve, prosecute and implement its own solution before the public as a whole can class action their own wrath.

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There is always a possibility of anything as there were layoffs (in the range of 200) within the Network Division 2 weeks before the PSN outage.

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