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Comment by: Jemborg (May 04, 2011 04:03)

@Oner

It's true, it is just my opinion. I only express it when I think you act like a jerk. Which is not all the time I might add. I don't think you are the worst person but you are intolerant of being fairly taken to task when you make your, er, "pronouncements" though... and of course you'd disagree with my first remark heh.

Have a careful look at my signature... it's the code I try to live my life by.

Go ahead and ban me if it makes you feel better. That would be pretty pathetic and just proves me right after all.

Sorry that I mostly post in the news sections... I'm just too busy to get on to the forum proper much. Hardly a major fault.



EDIT: You know when I say "cherry-pick" I mean "take statements out of context". Yeah, that makes me furious, it's the sly equivalent of putting words in my mouth.


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Comment by: lawndog (May 04, 2011 05:31)

@Oner the statements that your saying are false in my comment where taken directly from the news article posted.
so to say, "I sure would like to see some factual evidence referencing some of the not so accurate information you believe is true"
All you have to do is look up at Andre Yoskowitzs article posted as to which the comment I made was in regards to.
Hopefully you didn't think I was just pulling information out of my rear. It's posted here on Afterdawn.
And being that my post was a comment directly related to the news article the information available as you claim to be "not so accurate" in the article as to which I commented. And I believe it to be within my full right to comment on the article believeing that the information to be true, as it is under the "news" column. Now I suppose I could "research" the information myself. But to do true research to appease everybody one would have to have first hand knowledge now what is read on the website, or on Sonys blog. (yes I did read your sources)
I do appreaciate you showing where you got your information and giving Sony's take on the situation. But I do not appreciate you making it appear that I just randomly generated the information I posted. Because it was in fact in the article itself.
And just so you don't think I'm some troll who only posts in news forums on AD and doesn't contribute to AD in any other way. I've been visiting and posting to AD since August of 2004, almost 7 years now. Majority of my posting where in the guides section, yes helping others. I doubt that comment was in regards to me though, although I could be wrong.

Comment by: Jemborg (May 04, 2011 06:29)

It would have been made to me lawndog.

It's seems only having the time to post in the news section is a failing of sorts. I suppose it implies I'm some sort of troll who contributes nothing not even something stimulating or informative.

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: Oner (May 04, 2011 15:00)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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@Oner

It's true, it is just my opinion. I only express it when I think you act like a jerk. Which is not all the time I might add. I don't think you are the worst person but you are intolerant of being fairly taken to task when you make your, er, "pronouncements" though... and of course you'd disagree with my first remark heh.

Have a careful look at my signature... it's the code I try to live my life by.

Go ahead and ban me if it makes you feel better. That would be pretty pathetic and just proves me right after all.

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"Me thinks thou dost protest too much" Or, in laymen's terms ~ the more you try to talk your way out of it, the less you will be believed. What I see is you trying to side step a possible banning with a weak pseudo reverse psychology comment/attempt with that "proves me right after all" quip.

No it wouldn't prove you right because this is what you just don't seem to want to understand no matter how it is explained ~ YOU would be given the same exact punishment that lissenup got for his inability to follow THE SAME EXACT multiple warnings. Including additional items (in part) such as the direct violation of rule #14 "Do not play the role of a moderator if you are not one." You think nitpicking/adding your 2 cents about a totally justified banning and throwing out personal attacks towards an ACTUAL moderator is acceptable in some way? Nope. It's not. "Let the moderators do their work." But I'm actually not going to ban you (right now), but keep it up, and if it happens, just don't bitch about it afterwards because you have had ample warning time to move on.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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You know when I say "cherry-pick" I mean "take statements out of context". Yeah, that makes me furious, it's the sly equivalent of putting words in my mouth.

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No I don't know what you mean. I don't "take statements out of context". I specifically address the issues of which that need to be fixed (i.e. the misinformation that is/was said). The only reason why you THINK it is "taken out of context" is because you get proven wrong in what was said, and you can't deal with that other than trying to attack me personally. And that's the where the difference between you and me lie. I proverbially "attack the post" with provable references/documentation and when that happens you "attack the poster" (ME) personally because you were WRONG.

Which is no different than you are here.

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Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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while driving away new members in droves...

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That's quite some bull$#@! you got there...care to provide any proof of such a claim? Because how I see it, the only people that I may drive away are blatant Trolls who post nothing but unsupported, undocumented, unproven, misinformation & FUD (kinda like your own comment of which you have absolutely no way of proving)

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Oh and isn't it convenient how you have absolutely nothing to say about that...

Originally posted by ROMaster2:

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Hey guys what's going in this thre.. OH LAWDY!

The thread seemed to have derailed onto quite the drama; is it worth locking?

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Yes it is worth locking, but I will leave that up to another mod and/or how it goes on from here as the topic at hand is VERY important...but some "members" seem to have a very bad habit of going off topic when it comes to things they should mind their business about.

Originally posted by lawndog:

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@Oner the statements that your saying are false in my comment where taken directly from the news article posted.
so to say, "I sure would like to see some factual evidence referencing some of the not so accurate information you believe is true"
All you have to do is look up at Andre Yoskowitzs article posted as to which the comment I made was in regards to.
Hopefully you didn't think I was just pulling information out of my rear. It's posted here on Afterdawn.
And being that my post was a comment directly related to the news article the information available as you claim to be "not so accurate" in the article as to which I commented. And I believe it to be within my full right to comment on the article believeing that the information to be true, as it is under the "news" column. Now I suppose I could "research" the information myself. But to do true research to appease everybody one would have to have first hand knowledge now what is read on the website, or on Sonys blog. (yes I did read your sources)
I do appreaciate you showing where you got your information and giving Sony's take on the situation. But I do not appreciate you making it appear that I just randomly generated the information I posted. Because it was in fact in the article itself.

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This article by DVDBack says nothing about ~

Originally posted by lawndog:

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Consumer bought a product from Sony
then modified it (hacked it)
Sony turned around and with the aid of authorites sized his computers, and gaming systems, and filed suit against said hacker
Fellow hackers warned Sony of intent to hack
Sony continued to pursue lawsuit, hackers striked Playstation employees.

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But there is no problem with you posting what you said at all. I just asked if you could provide some info to confirm some of the items you said with actual proof/links (these specifically below) ~

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1st hacker group stopped because they did not want to affect other consumers, other hackers kept on going, then hacked Sonys trusted system. ~ Not confirmed/no proof EDIT Below
The lists where offered to Sony first before any others ~ False
Sony declined the offer (which makes me wonder if Sony actually cares about any of it's consumers) ~ False

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Not just unverifiable forum posts or conjecture so I/we may not be misinformed about this completely serious issue. Especially since all of what you posted is completely on topic and relevant. And no I was not implying you as someone who does not contribute here on aD. So please accept my apology if it came of that way since its a given that you do. So please do not take that as something directed towards yourself. Cheers.


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Looks like Anonymous was behind this after all. As it was never confirmed they were or weren't, which was why I asked for reference from you about "other hackers" being responsible ~

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We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion.”

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Source "Sony’s Response to the U.S. House of Representatives"

Full Details/Quote ~

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Today, the Subcommittee on Commerce, Manufacturing and Trade of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce held a hearing in Washington, DC on “The Threat of Data Theft to American Consumers.”

Kazuo Hirai, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Sony Computer Entertainment America, submitted written answers to questions posed by the subcommittee about the large-scale, criminal cyber-attack we have experienced. We wanted to share those answers with you (click here).

In summary, we told the subcommittee that in dealing with this cyber attack we followed four key principles:

1. Act with care and caution.
2. Provide relevant information to the public when it has been verified.
3. Take responsibility for our obligations to our customers.
4. Work with law enforcement authorities.

We also informed the subcommittee of the following:

* Sony has been the victim of a very carefully planned, very professional, highly sophisticated criminal cyber attack.

*We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion.”

* By April 25, forensic teams were able to confirm the scope of the personal data they believed had been taken, and could not rule out whether credit card information had been accessed. On April 26, we notified customers of those facts.

* As of today, the major credit card companies have not reported any fraudulent transactions that they believe are the direct result of this cyber attack.

* Protecting individuals’ personal data is the highestpriority and ensuring that the Internet can be made secure for commerce is also essential. Worldwide, countries and businesses will have to come together to ensure the safety of commerce over the Internet and find ways to combat cybercrime and cyber terrorism.

* We are taking a number of steps to prevent future breaches, including enhanced levels of data protection and encryption; enhanced ability to detect software intrusions, unauthorized access and unusual activity patterns; additional firewalls; establishment of a new data center in an undisclosed location with increased security; and the naming of a new Chief Information Security Officer.

* We told the subcommittee about our intent to offer complimentary identity theft protection to U.S. account holders and detailed the “Welcome Back” program that includes free downloads, 30 days of free membership in the
PlayStation Plus premium subscription service; 30 days of free service for Music Unlimited subscribers; and extending PlayStation Plus and Music Unlimited subscriptions for the number of days services were unavailable.

* We are working around the clock to have some PlayStation Network services restored and we’ll be providing specific details shortly. We hope this update is helpful to you, and we will continue to keep you posted as we work to restore our network and provide you with both the entertainment and the security you deserve.

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Comment by: aztecs619 (May 04, 2011 15:12)

I agree 100% too because in this day if the hackers damage the playstation network the whole world could being playing online right now join there self with black ops

Comment by: Jemborg (May 04, 2011 18:58)

@Oner so Anon is responsible? Well that makes them liars. Unless it's a breakaway group. The thick plottens.

Hang on haha, I think you think I was defending Lissenup. At least that's the impression I get from your rant.

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....rule #14 "Do not play the role of a moderator if you are not one." You think nitpicking/adding your 2 cents about a totally justified banning and throwing out personal attacks towards an ACTUAL moderator is acceptable in some way?...

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When I wrote "I would ban your sorry ass too", I was speaking to him not you. I think he's a f-wit. Don't try to tar me with the same brush! LOL

At least I can admit to having opinions and also to being wrong... I don't pretend I'm infallible. Ranting about the "truth" is not my style. Yeah, it's my opinion you've driven away new members. Good ones. You're an utter bully at times. I've reported you for it. (Not when you've tried it with me.) So I guess there is some kind of evidence for it somewhere. Being a moderator doesn't place you above criticism, not when you're joining in on the thread.

That above is a common definition of "cherry-picking" and I've had to defend myself from it from you on many occasions, and I've had members PMing me about those occasions. And not the members you think would be either. Heck, you've even done it yourself.

Since I am now being painted with convoluted back-peddling and "protesting too much" (btw, talk myself out of what?)... as to the rest of what you wrote it's a big what-ever then mate. But know this... it's not personal Oner, you may think ("truth") it is, but it's not.

I'm not even angry, no matter how stupid and mendacious (and "transparent") you try to make out I am. :)

It's a real pity this has happened, after all, I really was just going along with DXR88's comment at the time:

Originally posted by DXR88:

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AD's no fun if we cant jump on the bad mod Oner bandwagon, Search your feeling you know it to be true ;)

Lissenup's a pain anyway,if i was a mod id perma ban him.

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I really wish you had not chosen to blow it all up and just taken it on the chin.


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As I suppose this is possibly the last time I get to post... I'd just like to thank all those who've made AD an enjoyable experience, especially those clever wits who have made me LOL so much. I'd like to thank the news guys for their efforts, especially Andre. I never cared for becoming an AD Addict but getting to Senior felt pretty good. I suppose I won't get sent the prize I won in the last competition now, nevermind, I understand. it would be rather ironic if I did. :D

I'd also like to wish all those caught up in this PSN mess all the best of luck.

Cheers.



PS: Life's too short anyway and my little boy Gus just turned one yesterday. :)


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Comment by: 2dogsfighting71 (May 04, 2011 19:47)

Behave y'selves! :) Anyone know when psn is back on in the uk? Thanks

Comment by: Oner (May 04, 2011 19:51)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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@Oner so Anon is responsible? Well that makes them liars. Unless it's a breakaway group. The thick plottens.

Hang on haha, I think you think I was defending Lissenup. At least that's the impression I get from your rant.

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No I do not think you are defending Lissenup, but you continually interject with things not of your business. THAT is part of the issue.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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....rule #14 "Do not play the role of a moderator if you are not one." You think nitpicking/adding your 2 cents about a totally justified banning and throwing out personal attacks towards an ACTUAL moderator is acceptable in some way?...

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When I wrote "I would ban your sorry ass too", I was speaking to him not you. I think he's a f-wit. Don't try to tar me with the same brush! LOL

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My previous post applies to this in that it's not your business. Yet you always have to interject with some personal thing at me, when the issue is not me. It's the person who made a violation by disregarding the rules or warnings and was dealt with accordingly (of which YOU yourself have a habit of doing as well).

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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At least I can admit to having opinions and also to being wrong...

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Having a different opinion doesn't mean that you are wrong. Here is where the issue lies ~ You can have the opinion of the "PSN Sucks" (which is totally fine btw) but if you say, what you would believe to be an opinion (when it's not) in saying "The PSN sucks because it does not have video chat like LIVE!" then that is not an opinion since it is not factual and based off misinformation. I take no issue with opinion. Just baseless unfounded misinformation (especially when it's personally directed at me when one thing has nothing to do with the other).

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Yeah, it's my opinion you've driven away new members. Good ones. You're an utter bully at times. I've reported you for it. (Not when you've tried it with me.) So I guess there is some evidence for it somewhere. Being a moderator doesn't place you above criticism, not when you're joining in on the thread.

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This is exactly my point. Your "opinion" is based off no fact. Your comment is not factual and at the same time a direct personal insult at me of which you cannot prove. You cannot make a statement like that and not believe there will be repercussions for such actions. YOU STARTED THIS WHEN YOU MADE BASELESS UNFOUNDED PERSONAL ATTACKS TOWARDS ME of which has nothing to do with the topic, the issue with LissenUp and of which you have no grounds to stand on. If one member attacks, another member there is the violation of which would be justified. That is what you choose to not want to compehend here.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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That above is a common definition of "cherry-picking" and I've had to defend myself from it from you on many occasions, and I've had members PMing me about those occasions. And not the members you think would be either. Heck, you've even done it yourself.

Since I am now being painted with convoluted back-peddling and "protesting too much" (btw, talk myself out of what?)... as to the rest of what you wrote it's a big what-ever then mate. But know this... it's not personal Oner, you may think ("truth") it is, but it's not.

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I have explained YOUR issue with what you believe is "cherry-picking" ad nauseum so I will not again. As far as this NOT being personal, then you are clearly not being truthful because just about everything you (and 1 or 2 others here) say about me is a personal insult. Why else do you/others continually bring ME into something that has nothing to do with me? I.E. LissenUp getting banned becomes "Oner is on a power trip" or the "loss <of> quite a few members to his banning spree's (about the "format wars when that is absolutely untrue)" and your own "confuses truth with opinion/driving away members and etc." How is that NOT personal!?!?

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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I really wish you had not chosen to blow it all up and just taken it on the chin.

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Doesn't work that way. You say outright lies and BS about me I will put you in your place.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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PS: Life's too short anyway and my little boy Gus just turned one yesterday. :)

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I truly mean this with no reservations J ~ Congratulations! (Though you may have your hands full as he is a Taurus...just like me ;P)

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Comment by: DXR88 (May 04, 2011 21:19)

i believe we all broke rule #8, i mean even a mod has done it.

Hijacking the thread! The nerve of these people.

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Comment by: 2dogsfighting71 (May 04, 2011 21:38)

The most unhelpful thread i've seen. I'm off!

Comment by: Oner (May 04, 2011 23:14)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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i believe we all broke rule #8, i mean even a mod has done it.

Hijacking the thread! The nerve of these people.

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When I am upholding forum rules/warnings while clarifying/defending myself from lissenup4, Schmick, you & Jemborg (I don't take lawndog's questioning/replies as an directed attack on me as he wasn't at all) who all of which started this, I believe a little lee-way is acceptable to make things right.

Originally posted by 2dogsfighting71:

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The most unhelpful thread i've seen. I'm off!

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Post #46 right above the first time you asked (post #47) has an estimation in his signature. But there is no confirmed answer to your question so maybe that is why you didn't get a reply.

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Comment by: xboxdvl2 (May 05, 2011 12:07)

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Originally posted by DXR88: i believe we all broke rule #8, i mean even a mod has done it.

Hijacking the thread! The nerve of these people.

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I havnt had a proper look at the rules in years.common sense usually tells me if something (im about to post) is inappropriate.

lissenup was offending members and personal attacks.he/she tryed to have a go at me in several other topics.honestly not surpised by the ban

there is another thread somewhere in the news section about PSN coming back up for anyone interested.

Comment by: 2dogsfighting71 (May 05, 2011 19:09)

Thanks xboxdv12.

Comment by: 2dogsfighting71 (May 05, 2011 19:15)

Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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i believe we all broke rule #8, i mean even a mod has done it.

Hijacking the thread! The nerve of these people.

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When I am upholding forum rules/warnings while clarifying/defending myself from lissenup4, Schmick, you & Jemborg (I don't take lawndog's questioning/replies as an directed attack on me as he wasn't at all) who all of which started this, I believe a little lee-way is acceptable to make things right.

Originally posted by 2dogsfighting71:

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The most unhelpful thread i've seen. I'm off!

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Post #46 right above the first time you asked (post #47) has an estimation in his signature. But there is no confirmed answer to your question so maybe that is why you didn't get a reply.

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Thanks Oner. I'll check out the other thread mentioned above.

Comment by: alexeemo (May 06, 2011 14:31)

I cancelled my card for PSN and my wife cancelled her card for SOE Wasn't a big deal to do that. Problem is that I do sometimes use the same password for different accounts. I hate having to come up with unique passwords for everything so changing a bunch of my passwords and then having to write them down is what really sucked.

Comment by: Bozobub (May 07, 2011 14:08)

Oner, I have to say, YOU have contributed as much or more to hijacking this thread as any of the people you're castigating. Learn to let minor BS drop, howzabouts? If they hate you, fine, LET THEM; you're not going to convince 'em otherwise with an off-topic Wall-O'-Text(tm).

In other words, I think you're being quite oversensitive, which only gives weight to your detractors' comments.[/offtopic]

Contrary to Sony's statements that none of these cards have been known to be used fraudulently yet - in a manner that ties them to the PSN info heist - I've seen several mentions at various news sites (CNN, for one) that several people have already started litigation over exactly that. So, OF COURSE Sony won't admit it, because that would instantly lose those ongoing cases for them. I don't see this as a useful, coming from Sony. Now if the Secret Service/FBI in the US (who actually deal with CC fraud) said the same thing, it'd matter.

Comment by: Oner (May 07, 2011 19:39)

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Oner, I have to say, YOU have contributed as much or more to hijacking this thread as any of the people you're castigating. Learn to let minor BS drop, howzabouts? If they hate you, fine, LET THEM; you're not going to convince 'em otherwise with an off-topic Wall-O'-Text(tm).

In other words, I think you're being quite oversensitive, which only gives weight to your detractors' comments.[/offtopic]

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When in defense it is not hijacking, it is correcting and making things clear to those who question things not of their responsibility here at Afterdawn. This is not something for those that do not know the whole story, to interject what they think is their place to do so. Those who are not moderators (or involved) do not act as one and mind your business. The situation is, was or will be handled without your input. Thank You.

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Comment by: ddp (May 08, 2011 01:43)

agreed as per forum rules.

Comment by: DXR88 (May 08, 2011 02:07)

Originally posted by Oner:

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Originally posted by Bozobub:

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Oner, I have to say, YOU have contributed as much or more to hijacking this thread as any of the people you're castigating. Learn to let minor BS drop, howzabouts? If they hate you, fine, LET THEM; you're not going to convince 'em otherwise with an off-topic Wall-O'-Text(tm).

In other words, I think you're being quite oversensitive, which only gives weight to your detractors' comments.[/offtopic]

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When in defense it is not hijacking, it is correcting and making things clear to those who question things not of their responsibility here at Afterdawn. This is not something for those that do not know the whole story, to interject what they think is their place to do so. Those who are not moderators (or involved) do not act as one and mind your business. The situation is, was or will be handled without your input. Thank You.

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Some people really know sarcasm when they see it, huh Oner.=}

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Comment by: Bozobub (May 08, 2011 02:56)

That's fine, but carrying out your business in public tends to invite comment, you should be aware.

Comment by: SoulReapr (May 08, 2011 06:27)

My question is if PS3 online service is free then why would Sony have credit card numbers on their server in the first place?

Comment by: DXR88 (May 08, 2011 15:35)

Originally posted by SoulReapr:

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My question is if PS3 online service is free then why would Sony have credit card numbers on their server in the first place?

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....do you even own a PS3? they sell stuff like classic games and DLC on PSN as well.

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Comment by: Jemborg (May 08, 2011 16:38)

What the...?

I'm alive, ALIVE! :D



Er, yeah ok Onerous, I hate you personally and not your behaviour which I am always picking on... happy?

I have no opinions on whether PSN sucks or not I have never used it. As far as I'm concerned Xbox LIVE sucks (lags) from an international point of view (not locally)... if you can tolerate the howling infantiles, that is. Maybe that changed as I have not tried it for years. If not, I can't imagine it's any better for PSN in Australia either. And THAT sucks considering we pay twice as much as Septics for games on either platform. We don't even qualify for a reach-around.

And whatever to the rest mate... I got bored and skipped most of it.


Thanks for the congrats... I had no idea young Gus was a Taurus as I pay no attention to superstitious claptrap. I certainly hope it means he's not gonna be full of bull too. :P



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Comment by: SoulReapr (May 08, 2011 17:56)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by SoulReapr:

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My question is if PS3 online service is free then why would Sony have credit card numbers on their server in the first place?

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....do you even own a PS3? they sell stuff like classic games and DLC on PSN as well.

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As a matter of fact, No, I do not own any gaming console which is why I didn't know about classic games and DLC. I was asking a simple question and wasn't looking for any sarcasm from anyone. Sorry if I invaded your space Sir DXR88 Senior Member. :]

Comment by: Oner (May 08, 2011 23:12)

Originally posted by ddp:

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agreed as per forum rules.

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Thank You again ddp.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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That's fine, but carrying out your business in public tends to invite comment, you should be aware.

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I did not bring this out to public. That is where the fault in your comment lies. OTHERS commented about things (just like you are now) about stuff not of their concern, nor business, that needed to be addressed (totally false accusations I might add). I did not have to explain anything. But I chose to do so as to show my side of things that certain people don't seem to want to rationally or reasonably understand as it was not "minor BS" they were serious unfounded false accusations and insults. I don't care who hates me or not. But the moment you speak unfounded/unverifiable lies of me ~ I will check you immediately.

Originally posted by SoulReapr:

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My question is if PS3 online service is free then why would Sony have credit card numbers on their server in the first place?

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No different from any other service like Amazon, Buy.com, TigerDirect, BestBuy and many thousands of others. Actually DXR88's comment explains another aspect of it as well ~

Originally posted by DXR88:

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they sell stuff like classic games and DLC on PSN as well.

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So while the service if free (PSN) there are items you can or would like to purchase. Hence no different than a purchase online at any webstore.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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What the...?

I'm alive, ALIVE! :D



Er, yeah ok Onerous, I hate you personally and not your behaviour which I am always picking on... happy?

I have no opinions on whether PSN sucks or not I have never used it. As far as I'm concerned Xbox LIVE sucks (lags) from an international point of view (not locally)... if you can tolerate the howling infantiles, that is. Maybe that changed as I have not tried it for years. If not, I can't imagine it's any better for PSN in Australia either. And THAT sucks considering we pay twice as much as Septics for games on either platform. We don't even qualify for a reach-around. <-- Now that's funny!

And whatever to the rest mate... I got bored and skipped most of it.


Thanks for the congrats... I had no idea young Gus was a Taurus as I pay no attention to superstitious claptrap. I certainly hope it means he's not gonna be full of bull too. :P



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I will answer to bore you some more ;) and if only to clarify some things to drop this once and for all hopefully.

I did not say YOU have opinions about "PSN sucks" I just used it as an example to show a difference between a personal opinion and false information being upheld as "opinion". Another example ~ Do I think LIVE! sucks? No. Do I think it sucks because of what you described (howling infantiles & lag issues)? Yes, to an extent. But would I be correct in saying my opinion of LIVE! sucks because ALL 360 games have those issues? No I would not be, and that is my reasoning behind the difference of an opinion and a false comment. I hope that is clear enough.

As far as the congrats. You are very welcome, I am sure you want the best for your child in this world and will protect him/do the best for him under any circumstance. I hope/believe he will have the smarts and wit of his father to excel in his future.

If this situation hasn't shown how tolerant (albeit a bit angered) a moderator can be (especially when unjust accusations are wildly thrown out) then I don't know what else there is to say, other than, that we're not here just to ban people for their opinions.

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