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Comment by: Mez (Oct 22, 2009 12:41)

funksoulb, how can you say this is not anti-competitive? Just because Apple and others are doing it. I guuess thousands of hackers are working on a sloution.

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Oct 22, 2009 13:53)

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Originally posted by 21Q:

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So wait, will this stop custom hdd's from working?

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This is what I want to know too. The info seems vague on this.

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Same here, the article is not very clear... I want to make my Xbox's hdd bigger, but not paying that ridiculous price for it. If the custom hdd is no good (lock out), then it's pointless.

Comment by: creaky (Oct 22, 2009 14:10)

Originally posted by 21Q:

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So wait, will this stop custom hdd's from working?

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Don't know, have a read this ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-152/..._banned-807256/

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Comment by: emugamer (Oct 22, 2009 16:10)

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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Yes its anti-competitive. How is this different than sony's psp go, and the downloadable games only available through sony?

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It's different because when you buy a new PSP Go, you already know what the restrictions are. This is a case of MS taking away functionality from a product that you already purchased. You may have bought a 360 2 years ago, you purchased devices that would work with the 360, and then MS decides to change your device on you so that you can't use your external hardware anymore and are forced to buy from them. Whether you care or not, they've raped your console.

Comment by: dufas (Oct 22, 2009 16:18)

On a similar note, General Motors and Ford are making it mandatory that all V8 and V6 engines installed in their customer's cars be removed and 1400 cc 4 cylinder replacement engines be installed in their place. A small charge of $3,200.00 per change over will be levied. If another vendor is used for the change over or an owner fails to comply with the change over, the vehicle will be made inoperable. This is non-negotiable and is required if the owner wishes to go on operating the vehicle...

[Makes about the same amount of sense as the Microsoft move..]

Comment by: Kyther (Oct 23, 2009 01:22)

This is Idiocy, i cant even use my external hdd at this point now things are getting worse whats next taking away the ability to go wireless with our laptop instead of their wireless adapter or even making us buy a custom xbox only wireless router or even locking us out of our own networks so we cant stream music or video from our computers. i already have issues with that since there are no codecs available for most formats on te 360 thats what they should be working on updating there software to benefit the user not taking from us, never again will i buy a console from them i may even switch my computer over to Linux-Ubuntu

Comment by: ghost89 (Oct 23, 2009 06:16)

yeah i've never had to use a memory card with the 360 but this is just plain ridiculous, it's just like when EA bought out the football license back in 07 cause madden is 60 bucks and 2k7 was outselling madden 3 to 1 and it was only 20 bucks. remember that? knocking 3rd parties out of the game means monopolyyyyyyyy back at it bill gates...no good very bogus of microsoft who also doesn't allow for any good free game content on xbox live

Comment by: Lern2Hate (Oct 23, 2009 19:57)

It's reasons like this that I haven't bought any games for the 360 or have even turned it on in over 6 months. I typically only read these articles without ever leaving any comments, but these big companies like Microsoft are so blinded by greed it so frustrating & ridiculous that it's hard not to want to comment. Yes, I can understand locking out modders for many reasons as has been previously mentioned, but non Microsoft memory chips. I mean c'mon on, Microsoft, what BS! What greedy thing will you lock out next time on a future update?
Gamers do I have a choice, but for many of the same reasons or others those choices can be limited depending on what your reasons are to wanting to buy that paticular console in the first place. I was going to make the switch to the PS3 this last summer since I wanted it for Gaming & mostly Blu-Ray reasons, but I chose to build a Home Media PC with a Blu-Ray drive instead and couldn't be happier. I now only focus on PC games as my 360 collects dust & haven't looked back since. Plus, these Multi-Billion Dollar Gaming Console Industries can suck it!

Comment by: Warlocks (Oct 24, 2009 03:06)

Typical Microsoft Crap - "Buy my higher priced, under-performing devise or We Will Hurt You!"

I am one of the old guys that waited for price to come down and trying to decide if my X-Mas present would be an X-Box or Play Station. This latest bit of user unfriendliness probably just made up my mind.

Comment by: llongtheD (Oct 24, 2009 06:41)

@warlocks

And sony is so consumer friendly? Either one of these corporations will try and squeeze every nickel out of you.
How many people use these memory devices if they have an xbox with a hard drive any way, I've never needed one.
I do agree its another fleecing tactic to take away support however.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 24, 2009 06:44)

Originally posted by llongtheD:

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@warlocks

And sony is so consumer friendly? Either one of these corporations will try and squeeze every nickel out of you.
How many people use these memory devices if they have an xbox with a hard drive any way, I've never needed one.
I do agree its another fleecing tactic to take away support however.

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ya but with the PS3 you can use usb flash drives to store saves so they kinda made up alil bit.

Comment by: KillerBug (Oct 24, 2009 07:52)

Sony has done nothing to dissable the use of accossories that already worked with the unit. Also, they allow you to upgrade the hard drive to any drive that will fit (with a couple of exceptions...but these are not intentional). Xbox360 won't even let you put a 500GB drive in.

I have stopped playing games on the PC since I can't seem to find any titles that are not 'Games for Windows' or 'Live'. The fact that 360 owners put up with the same, in spite of the lesser capabilities of the console and the higher cost of games is amazing to me. Yes, PSN is a lot like Live!, but it has no monthly fee, and most games that you get from the PSN can be installed on 5 consoles at once...Sony even knows about this, and allows it. Piracy is possible on the 360...but the PSN trick isn't piracy, it is perfectly legal, and Sony has never issued any statements against it.

Yes...Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are all big, evil corporations...just to different degrees. Microsoft knows that they can get away with ANYTHING...and even if they are convicted over and over, they still get away with it. Nintendo is generaly a good company if you ignore their generaly fascist stance. Sony is somewhere in the middle...and that makes them the best at the moment IMHO.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 24, 2009 08:00)

Originally posted by KillerBug:

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Sony has done nothing to dissable the use of accossories that already worked with the unit. Also, they allow you to upgrade the hard drive to any drive that will fit (with a couple of exceptions...but these are not intentional). Xbox360 won't even let you put a 500GB drive in.

I have stopped playing games on the PC since I can't seem to find any titles that are not 'Games for Windows' or 'Live'. The fact that 360 owners put up with the same, in spite of the lesser capabilities of the console and the higher cost of games is amazing to me. Yes, PSN is a lot like Live!, but it has no monthly fee, and most games that you get from the PSN can be installed on 5 consoles at once...Sony even knows about this, and allows it. Piracy is possible on the 360...but the PSN trick isn't piracy, it is perfectly legal, and Sony has never issued any statements against it.

Yes...Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are all big, evil corporations...just to different degrees. Microsoft knows that they can get away with ANYTHING...and even if they are convicted over and over, they still get away with it. Nintendo is generaly a good company if you ignore their generaly fascist stance. Sony is somewhere in the middle...and that makes them the best at the moment IMHO.

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Agreed for the most part.

Live needed a subscription but these days it really dose not as the micortransations will cover most of the cost. PSN is not bad and makes up for itself by being free.

Nins online is a bit different and has catching up to do but still its not that bad.

I wish there was more development for PC, its not THAT hard to ensure a 360 game can work on a general swaf of newer PCs, all it needs is a basic all button keybinding and res/vid options and the games can be sold at the same time for PC. But blah rush rush wank wank....I am really starting to hate all aspects of modern media...

Comment by: Jemborg (Oct 25, 2009 06:20)

Originally posted by manny2564:

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Wow it's amazing how Micro$oft screws the people who buy their crap over and over.... Get a playstation !!!!!!

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New Slim PS3 in the States $299 (about $330AUS)... new Slim PS3 in Oz $499AUS... about $170AUS MORE. Yes, they are region locked to games... which cost $10AUS MORE than X360 versions here. So what the heck makes $ony that much more munificent? Pffft.

Differences in the consoles in quality, power, value etc. come across as largely subjective. Horses for courses...

I strongly get the impression that this update, as mean spirited as it is, is not going to affect hddhackr modded BEVS, as it uses the dumped sector 16 etc. from original drives. Still, I'm not certain, wait and see is the only way we'll know for sure.

Another note about X360 peripherals, a really cheap USB dongle from M$ allows me to use my wireless X360 controller, steering wheel and headset with my PC on even old games and apps... I thought that was pretty good value as it effectively extended the usefulness of these things.

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Originally posted by funksoulb:

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Apple do this thing all the time, for example... only allowing their operating system to run on computers sold by them.

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A quick Google and I couldn't see any real problems people had updating their Hackintoshes.

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

Comment by: PCNetGuy (Oct 31, 2009 22:53)

Just one More reason WHY Microsoft can KEEP their X-Box. Would never recommend it, and would never buy it!

Comment by: iluvendo (Oct 31, 2009 23:42)

Originally posted by creaky:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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this stinks of anti competitive practices...

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I rarely comment on games consoles but your comment is exactly how i felt when i read the article. It's not even as if it's a modchip or similar, it's a damn memory card!. Greed is the only other thing that comes to mind.

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Shades of Gordon Gekko (from the movie Wall Street "Greed is Good")

Shame on M$ !

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Comment by: xboxdvl2 (Nov 01, 2009 05:01)

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New Slim PS3 in the States $299 (about $330AUS)... new Slim PS3 in Oz $499AUS... about $170AUS MORE. Yes, they are region locked to games... which cost $10AUS MORE than X360 versions here. So what the heck makes $ony that much more munificent? Pffft.

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Jemborg where are you getting your prices i live in australia and im sure a slim PS3 cost more than that??????.i was thinking about buying a xbox 360 but i think if i get a new gaming console i will go with PS3.

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Comment by: chris4160 (Nov 01, 2009 06:12)

Originally posted by xboxdvl2:

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New Slim PS3 in the States $299 (about $330AUS)... new Slim PS3 in Oz $499AUS... about $170AUS MORE. Yes, they are region locked to games... which cost $10AUS MORE than X360 versions here. So what the heck makes $ony that much more munificent? Pffft.

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Jemborg where are you getting your prices i live in australia and im sure a slim PS3 cost more than that??????.i was thinking about buying a xbox 360 but i think if i get a new gaming console i will go with PS3.

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Slim ps3 costs $499 in Australia, Jemborg was right.

Comment by: Tarsellis (Nov 02, 2009 18:12)

Whelp, guess I'm not going to get the stupid console now. Between this, $ony's new blocking compatibility and other OSes, and the Wii's complete lack of games I want, I guess I'll skip this entire console generation altogether. Looks like 100% of gaming will be done on my PC, and I'll just use media players for my h.264 to my TV.

And it's not at all like getting these would be a financial hardship. I'm just not willing to be treated like this, so won't give these people any business on principle.

Comment by: glassd (Nov 02, 2009 18:31)

Chris, i know that you have a Crazy high import tax @ %10. What are your State/Local Tax rates? Just wondering what other reasons for the price differences.

Comment by: chris4160 (Nov 03, 2009 05:35)

Originally posted by glassd:

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Chris, i know that you have a Crazy high import tax @ %10. What are your State/Local Tax rates? Just wondering what other reasons for the price differences.

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I suppose it's because ms and sony can get away with it... most xbox's/ps3's are made at mostly the same place, so the price should be the same as the US.

Comment by: Jemborg (Nov 03, 2009 13:15)

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Originally posted by glassd:

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Chris, i know that you have a Crazy high import tax @ %10. What are your State/Local Tax rates? Just wondering what other reasons for the price differences.

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I suppose it's because ms and sony can get away with it... most xbox's/ps3's are made at mostly the same place, so the price should be the same as the US.

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Yep.

As far as I know there are no State/Local taxes involved. AND there is bugger-all profit for the retailers... They just figure (rightly, I suppose) Aussies will pay that much. Plus you have to ask yourself why Sony feel the need to charge $10 more for new cross-platform games? To my mind they're at least as greedy as MS... (who are, yes, very greedy).

Its a lot easier being righteous than right.

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