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Comment by: borhan9 (Mar 06, 2009 09:38)

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After the woman revealed her homosexuality in her Xbox Live profile, she was continuously harassed, and Microsoft banned her account, saying many gamers found "her lesbianism offensive."/quote]To me this is ridiculous. We live in a world now that people regardless of sexual preference should be treated the same. I don't see how this users sexual preference would effect anyone. If you have a issue with it due to the fact that it has religious reasoning thats your opinion but i say its the users choice so be it. Let her live her life and live your own.

Comment by: ThePastor (Mar 06, 2009 22:10)

Originally posted by "The always right and never wrong... Varnell":

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If you are so bigoted and backward thinking that such statements offend you I suggest you either get an education rapidly, or rethink what religion you claim to belong to.. because you are the dinosaur.. it's the 21st century not the middle ages (though some countries are returning to them it seems). The world has changed beyond recognition.. while in practice discrimination through bigotry and hate of difference still hides behind religion and mob hysteria.. it is another thing entirely for a large company to use such lame excuses to discriminate against anyone.

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Why do you call me a bigot, insult or attack my "religion" which you don't even know what it is and then insult me as a "dinosaur" or from the "middle ages"?
A) I have never been, nor will I ever be a bigot of any kind and my words and deeds express this entirely.
B) You have no clue what my religion is or isn't so have no basis for criticism.
C) I am a very enlightened, modern man who understands the intricacies of running a large online space. I have a great amount of experience doing it. I'm not some middle aged bumkin pulling crap out of my ass.

I've never insulted you or your opinions. I have no idea why you have reacted in this way and I demand an apology.

If you cannot debate an issue intelligently and without insults and attacks then maybe you should take a day or two off.

Comment by: varnull (Mar 07, 2009 02:04)

If the cap fits.... I must have hit a nerve.. Are you a bigoted dinosaur then.. a bible bashing turd from the mid west retard belt? did you see me use any more than generalisations about a certain category of people who love to attack and complain about anything that "offends" their twisted morals?

I have been admin on more than one commercial site.. that's how I happen to know what the law is regarding discrimination (whether through set down rules or otherwise) against customers.

The whole point of this topic has been missed.. M$ made a mistake.. acted in a discriminatory fashion against a minority.. and apologised.. nothing else to say really.. They know they got it wrong.. and the opinions of anybody who does not and has not ever been employed to run a commercial website doesn't matter..


BTW.. behind your back we call you "the moron" lol .. want proof of that too.. or will you also act like you have been hurt by some generalisations about the wider internet PC brigade.

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Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 07, 2009 03:44)

Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Originally posted by "Why do you call me a bigot, insult or attack my "religion" which you don't even know what it is and then insult me as a "dinosaur" or from the "middle ages"?...[/quote:

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By using the handle "ThePastor", you are putting your religion out there for all to see, and while we might not know what particular brand you promote, we would be pretty safe in speculating that it is a Christian variant. It may surprise you to know that many people are tired of the conflicts, political turbulence, bigotry, intolerance, and hate, fomented by followers and leaders of your various sects.

Given your alleged senior position, we might infer that you are in fact old relative to venues like this with a traditionally young audience, making you a dinosaur, or "old creepy guy at the club" if you prefer.

And, given the archaic basis for your faith, stone tablets, dusty scrolls, ancient rituals, etc, we might also describe your value system as more appropriate to the middle ages.

You will no doubt feel attacked by our concerns and observations based partially upon your handle, but the victim in this story may be guilty of little more than identifying herself by attributes she holds dear just as you have. Perhaps her handle is "TheLesbian", to which bible-thumpers and alterboy humpers all go balistic.

Comment by: DXR88 (Mar 07, 2009 05:26)

Is it me or is thread getting hot, almost flaming.

Comment by: onya (Mar 07, 2009 05:36)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Is it me or is thread getting hot, almost flaming.

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And I thought living here in Australia got a little warm! I think you might be right DXR88, things are heating up just a tad. :)

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 08, 2009 06:25)

Originally posted by varnull:

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If the cap fits.... I must have hit a nerve.. Are you a bigoted dinosaur then.. a bible bashing turd from the mid west retard belt? did you see me use any more than generalisations about a certain category of people who love to attack and complain about anything that "offends" their twisted morals?

I have been admin on more than one commercial site.. that's how I happen to know what the law is regarding discrimination (whether through set down rules or otherwise) against customers.

The whole point of this topic has been missed.. M$ made a mistake.. acted in a discriminatory fashion against a minority.. and apologised.. nothing else to say really.. They know they got it wrong.. and the opinions of anybody who does not and has not ever been employed to run a commercial website doesn't matter..


BTW.. behind your back we call you "the moron" lol .. want proof of that too.. or will you also act like you have been hurt by some generalisations about the wider internet PC brigade.

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Learn to properly use elipses, Varnull.

They weren't discriminating, they banned her for from the service for breaking the contract she agreed to when she subscribed to it by advertising a sexual preference. And don't pretend Microsoft as a whole feels remorse for this incident, they're covering their collective ass from the media blitz this received.

Originally posted by Eric8:

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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"Why do you call me a bigot, insult or attack my "religion" which you don't even know what it is and then insult me as a "dinosaur" or from the "middle ages"?...

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By using the handle "ThePastor", you are putting your religion out there for all to see, and while we might not know what particular brand you promote, we would be pretty safe in speculating that it is a Christian variant. It may surprise you to know that many people are tired of the conflicts, political turbulence, bigotry, intolerance, and hate, fomented by followers and leaders of your various sects.

Given your alleged senior position, we might infer that you are in fact old relative to venues like this with a traditionally young audience, making you a dinosaur, or "old creepy guy at the club" if you prefer.

And, given the archaic basis for your faith, stone tablets, dusty scrolls, ancient rituals, etc, we might also describe your value system as more appropriate to the middle ages.

You will no doubt feel attacked by our concerns and observations based partially upon your handle, but the victim in this story may be guilty of little more than identifying herself by attributes she holds dear just as you have. Perhaps her handle is "TheLesbian", to which bible-thumpers and alterboy humpers all go balistic.

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Learn to use quote tags, Eric.


Keep generalizing religious folk, that's not a closed way of thinking at all. 9_9

Believe it or not, there are normal people who believe in a creator... Calling every religious person bitter and crazy is just as bad as the people who fit that bill calling atheists malicious and hateful. On the same note, you call those who believe in a certain God closed-minded for complaining about people who do things that conflict with their beliefs, and that's bad, and yet you turn around and call them idiots for doing things that conflict with your beliefs, and that's fine. Weird how that works.
Not to say I agree with the uptight radical holier-than-thou types, but you can't generalize a group of people and base an argument against their generalizations on generalizations of your own.

The only closed-minded and truly bitter or hateful people I've seen in this thread are you two, who claim that people with beliefs that differ from yours are closed-minded and bitter.

Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 08, 2009 06:51)

Originally posted by nintenut:

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Believe it or not, there are normal people who believe in a creator... Calling every religious person bitter and crazy is just as bad as the people who fit that bill calling atheists wicked.

The only closed-minded and truly bitter or hateful people I've seen in this thread are you two, who claim that people with beliefs that differ from yours are closed-minded and bitter.

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All these nested quotes are confusing, no?

I was responding to one particular person who defended casting out a participant based upon her professed sexual preference. And, while certainly not all religious people are such bigots, it would seem that a majority if not all such bigots defend their actions with numerous references to their chosen brand of religious Kool-aid.

I was also defending attacks against another responder who in my opinion made some valid if not eloquently presented points.

I was also having some fun at ThePastor's expense. Shame on me. But it was so much fun. A guilty pleasure perhaps, using words and truth to poke fun at someone that clings so vehemently to their chosen word and truth.

Finally on a more serious note, I will not hesitate to vigorously protect the weak and outnumbered in any way that I can, be they religious or atheist, lesbian or straight. I will speak up for them, as I would hope that you would speak up for me. I cannot believe in this enlightened age when we have elected blacks, clergy, gays, women, the physically handicapped, and even retards to the highest offices in the land, that truly narrow-minded companies and individuals would still seek to deny fair and even treatment to any law-abiding person based upon what they think or feel, or any inherent quality of their being. And if you find that offensive, close-minded or bitter, then I feel sorry for you.

Comment by: DXR88 (Mar 08, 2009 08:46)

This thread is on Fire Baby, Yeah!!!

Comment by: mazaar (Mar 08, 2009 08:47)

Originally posted by varnull:

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If the cap fits.... I must have hit a nerve.. Are you a bigoted dinosaur then.. a bible bashing turd from the mid west retard belt? did you see me use any more than generalisations about a certain category of people who love to attack and complain about anything that "offends" their twisted morals?

I have been admin on more than one commercial site.. that's how I happen to know what the law is regarding discrimination (whether through set down rules or otherwise) against customers.

The whole point of this topic has been missed.. M$ made a mistake.. acted in a discriminatory fashion against a minority.. and apologised.. nothing else to say really.. They know they got it wrong.. and the opinions of anybody who does not and has not ever been employed to run a commercial website doesn't matter..


BTW.. behind your back we call you "the moron" lol .. want proof of that too.. or will you also act like you have been hurt by some generalisations about the wider internet PC brigade.

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its a messed up world when a freak of nature thinks that your a bigot or bible basher for thinking that 2 animals of the same sex shouldnt have go together, you are a pervert,its you that are wrong,its you that should hide in shame.fashion dictates that we pretend perverts & cripples are equal to the rest of society,roll on the next fashion.

Comment by: DXR88 (Mar 08, 2009 08:52)

Fight,Fight,Fight. whoohooo!!!!

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 08, 2009 09:02)

The bitter and hateful bit was directed at the points you made against those who believe in a God, like the cult references in both of your posts... And discounting any religion because it's old, that's bull. I'm just really tired of your condescending Youtube Atheist attitude.

I'm not saying that it isn't possible for any God to not exist, it's just the religion I'm committed to and I'm going to defend it. You're defending yours. We can keep going on this topic for an eternity, and neither of us will have swayed the other in his direction of thinking.

Anyway, that's the problem with this situation... I agree that they shouldn't ban people for being gay, and they don't, what they don't want is for people to advertise their sexual preferences, which you agree not to do when you sign up for Live through the TOS, which she broke and was banned for. (How many times have I said that so far? And no one has argued against it... That's what it boils down to, right?)

I approve of this only because the girl broke the rules set by the company for the service she subscribed to. Companies are allowed to do that. If the rule was "NO HOMOS", I'd be against it, and as pointed out by Varnull, would probably break some law somewhere, but it's not, and doesn't.

Comment by: varnull (Mar 08, 2009 17:43)

sorry.. the way they applied it IS discriminatory.. and THEY DID break more than one law... Any BS tos they force people to sign has been proved time and time again to never overthrow local laws.

as for god...

so some supreme being created the whole universe.. and decided to tell some goatherders scrabbling about in a semi-desert.. and didn't give them ANY proof.

If I don't believe that fairy tale then some angel this supreme and all forgiving being threw out of paradise will burn me alive forever..

Bring on the pink elephants and aliens *giggles*

Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.
I would rather you hate me for who I am than love me for what I am not.
Welcome to the other side of the looking glass Alice

Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 08, 2009 17:52)

Originally posted by nintenut:

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\And discounting any religion because it's old, that's bull. I'm just really tired of your condescending Youtube Atheist attitude.

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The irony is, that I would just as willingly defend you, should you ever be denied access to an establishment because say, you are wearing a cross or carrying a bible. I'm not gay, but I find your irrational fear of homos a bit frightening. Especially when it is codified it into corporate or government policy. What next? No gun owners? No Jews? No witches? I seriously doubt she was behaving in an inappropriate manner. She just didn't hide who she is. The horror!

Originally posted by nintenut:

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The bitter and hateful bit was directed at the points you made against those who believe in a God, like the cult references in both of your posts

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You are so quick to defend your beliefs, your skin so thin. And yet, you support the ousting of this girl for simply exposing who she is. Stop a minute and think about that.... If MS made a rule "no Jews", would you defend that? What if they said, Jews are permitted, but only if they keep us from finding out that they are Jewish. Is that better? You see the line between banning a group, and only banning them from identifying with that group is a fine line indeed. So are you going on record as defending that sort of thing? What if it were Christians being singled out? What if it were Wiccans? What if it were Atheists?

I suspect that the only group you are going to defend is Christians. And you decry my "condescending Youtube attitude."

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 09, 2009 03:11)

It's not a no homos rule, though, it's a no sexual talk rule. I woudn't be complaining if they didn't allow religious talk. I wouldn't care if people were being banned for identifying themselves as being a part of any religion in their Live profile if there were a rule for that, the key is to follow the rules set for a service when using it...

And of course I'm going to defend myself, you grouped me in with radicals... I never defended radicals, I defended those of us who aren't, quit trying to twist my words.

I neither hate nor fear homosexuals. I live in Seattle, the whole city is gay, I don't give a f*ck. I'm saying that Microsoft is allowed to ban her because she broke a rule about discussing sexual preference. Again, IF I SAID I LIKE TO F*CK WOMEN IN MY PROFILE, I EXPECT TO BE BANNED.

Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 09, 2009 03:59)

Originally posted by nintenut:

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It's not a no homos rule, though, it's a no sexual talk rule... I neither hate nor fear homosexuals. I live in Seattle, the whole city is gay, I don't give a f*ck. I'm saying that Microsoft is allowed to ban her because she broke a rule about discussing sexual preference. Again, IF I SAID I LIKE TO F*CK WOMEN IN MY PROFILE, I EXPECT TO BE BANNED.

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1) No one said she discussed sex, rather she simply identified herself as a lesbian.

2) Being a lesbian is not indicative of one's proclivity to engage in s*xual intercourse.

3) Just because it is a rule, it doesn't make it legal or right. I'm sure both pre-war Germany and the old south had all kinds of rules. I doubt anyone would suggest that enforcement of those rules was a good thing.

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 09, 2009 04:23)

Originally posted by ericg8:

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Originally posted by nintenut:

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It's not a no homos rule, though, it's a no sexual talk rule... I neither hate nor fear homosexuals. I live in Seattle, the whole city is gay, I don't give a f*ck. I'm saying that Microsoft is allowed to ban her because she broke a rule about discussing sexual preference. Again, IF I SAID I LIKE TO F*CK WOMEN IN MY PROFILE, I EXPECT TO BE BANNED.

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1) No one said she discussed sex, rather she simply identified herself as a lesbian.

2) Being a lesbian has nothing to with who a person likes to fuck, or even if they like fuck at all.

3) Just because it is a rule, it doesn't make it legal or right. I'm sure both Nazi Germany and the old south had all kinds of rules. You gonna defend those too?

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#1 and #2) Being a lesbian means you, as a woman, are sexually attracted to other women.

Originally posted by dictionary.com:

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ho⋅mo⋅sex⋅u⋅al⋅i⋅ty [hoh-muh-sek-shoo-al-i-tee, or, especially Brit., -seks-yoo-]

–noun
sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

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3) Of course I'm not going to defend the murder of millions of people, that would be ridiculous. Like comparing the banning of a person who broke a rule from an online gaming service to the Holocaust, that wouldn't make any sense for me to do.

That rule is in place because they know it's going to cause problems. And it did, it said she was harassed by homophobes.

Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 09, 2009 04:46)

Originally posted by nintenut:

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Being a lesbian means you, as a woman, are sexually attracted to other women.

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There are states of being that are beyond one's control. These do not result from a decision but rather are inherent to one's internal make-up. These inherent conditions include gender, sexual orientation, nationality, race, etc.

The fact that a person is a Jew, lesbian, or African-American is not the result of a choice. And identifying one's self as a member of such a group is not the same as discussing religion, gender, sex, or race.

If she was soliciting sexual encounters then fine, a line was crossed. But, we cannot on one hand respect the right of an individual to belong to an inherent class, a protected class, and then place upon them the burden of keeping it a secret. For if we are to do that, then we don't really respect their right to be free from harassment and persecution for being a member of that group.

I would suggest that perhaps Microsoft went after the wrong people in this. I would hope that their recognition of this fact is what led to their decision to reverse their action and issue an apology.

Since you nintenut live in such a diverse environment, perhaps you can ask one of your fellow citizens to help you understand this complicated issue, before you offend any more people.

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 09, 2009 05:38)

Originally posted by ericg8:

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Originally posted by nintenut:

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Being a lesbian means you, as a woman, are sexually attracted to other women.

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There are states of being that are beyond one's control. These do not result from a decision but rather are inherent to one's internal make-up. These inherent conditions include gender, sexual orientation, nationality, race, etc.

The fact that a person is a Jew, lesbian, or African-American is not the result of a choice. And identifying one's self as a member of such a group is not the same as discussing religion, gender, sex, or race.

If she was soliciting sexual encounters then fine, a line was crossed. But, we cannot on one hand respect the right of an individual to belong to an inherent class, a protected class, and then place upon them the burden of keeping it a secret. For if we are to do that, then we don't really respect their right to be free from harassment and persecution for being a member of that group.

I would suggest that perhaps Microsoft went after the wrong people in this. I would hope that their recognition of this fact is what led to their decision to reverse their action and issue an apology.

Since you nintenut live in such a diverse environment, perhaps you can ask one of your fellow citizens to help you understand this complicated issue, before you offend any more people.

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Oh, yes, I'm sure I've offended the eyebrows off of hundreds of gay people. 9_9

I know most gay people can't help the way they feel, and I don't think they should feel ashamed, it's just how they are. I have never said or thought otherwise.

I'm not saying they need to keep it a secret, I'm saying they shouldn't advertise it. Learn to read sentences. Saying that you are attracted to certain types of people isn't something you say as you're shaking someone's hand, is it?
"Hey, my names Bob, I like girls with big jugs"?
If it came up in casual conversation during a gaming session it wouldn't have been a ban-able thing, she wouldn't have broken any rules. Homophobes would probably flip, but that's just on them.

Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 09, 2009 06:36)

Well nintenut, now that you put it that way, I guess you are right after all.

Being visibly gay, African-American, female or Jewish is a lot like telling strangers that you "like girls with big jugs". I mean who doesn't! Especially that chick banned by MS. LOL! Not like we're "GAY" or anything. Not that there is anything wrong with that! (wink)

From now on African-Americans should drink at their own drinking fountains so that we aren't uncomfortable. Separate but equal, nothing racial or anything. I'd hate to catch black!

And Jews, perhaps they could change their names to something less Jewish. No reason to "advertise"! Perhaps a nice gentile name. If they don't, perhaps we can make them wear arm bands so we can avoid them in public. We don't want to be uncomfortable.

Women, I mean who are they kidding, right? Why do they have to say "I'm Ms. or Mrs. so-and-so" when making an introduction? They are practically advertising that they have a vagina! Can't they just keep that a secret and stay in the secretarial pool, make coffee, and...who are we kidding, they belong at home, cooking, cleaning, and making babies!

And those zany gays. I mean, I liked Three's Company as much as anybody, but can't they just stay in the closet, for Christ sake! What with their lisps and affects, it's almost like they are practically advertising their homo-nicity.

But nintenut, we are obviously enlightened. Why, Seattle is practically all fagged up! And my town has its share of Jews and Nig...I mean negros. LOL! You and I are teflon! Hell, my sister even banged a Jew and a black guy in college, AND kissed a girl on the lips, so you know I am modern egalitarian guy.

Nothing to see here folks. Nintenut has set me straight! (not that I wasn't already LOL - big jugs rock!)

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 09, 2009 11:15)

Alright, tangent man, just keep twisting my words.

Outside of a relationship, that's all it is, a sexual attraction to a certain type of people. Constantly putting out your sexual attractions, or saying you're sexually attracted to certain people as an introduction, is still weird, gay or straight. It has to be in the right context.

Where are you going with the hateful racist thing?

Comment by: ericg8 (Mar 09, 2009 14:11)

Originally posted by nintenut:

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Outside of a relationship, that's all it is, a sexual attraction to a certain type of people. Constantly putting out your sexual attractions, or saying you're sexually attracted to certain people as an introduction, is still weird, gay or straight. It has to be in the right context.

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No twisting required.

She simply revealed her orientation, and you find this offensive.

She was "continuously harassed" by others who also found this offensive.

What if she was say a school teacher, and revealed her orientation. In that "context" would you find it offensive? How about if she were running for public office? Applying for a job with your company? Moving in next door?

Let us know, we would not want you to be offended.

Comment by: nintenut (Mar 09, 2009 21:12)

Originally posted by ericg8:

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Originally posted by nintenut:

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Outside of a relationship, that's all it is, a sexual attraction to a certain type of people. Constantly putting out your sexual attractions, or saying you're sexually attracted to certain people as an introduction, is still weird, gay or straight. It has to be in the right context.

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No twisting required.

She simply revealed her orientation, and you find this offensive.

She was "continuously harassed" by others who also found this offensive.

What if she was say a school teacher, and revealed her orientation. In that "context" would you find it offensive? How about if she were running for public office? Applying for a job with your company? Moving in next door?

Let us know, we would not want you to be offended.

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The only thing in this entire situation I was offended by was the complaining this caused, from people like you, who seem to think she has her sexual attractions tattooed on her forehead from birth and can't help it. There's a difference between hiding something and bringing it up at an appropriate time.
I'm defending Microsoft's ability to ban people for breaking the rules they set up, and saying that it was an odd thing for her to do.

Yeah she received harassment from homophobes, I already said that, I imagine that's partly why the rule is there in the first place.

And what if she was a teacher? What if she moved in next door, or ran for office, or any other situations you throw in from left field, who would care? If her introduction to her class was "I'm Ms. So-and-so, and I'm a lesbian", it would be an odd thing for her to do.

Comment by: chrissd (Mar 14, 2009 04:12)

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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A website is a privately owned space and not a democratic entity. They are completely entitled to create any rule they desire and enforce that rule in any way, fairly or unfairly as they wish.
Certainly they are required to abide by US labor laws with respect to hiring practices but the webspace is private.
Their only limitation is one of perception. If it is perceived that they are bigots then their bottom line will suffer.

Just like Afterdawn can create their rules here and ask their users to abide by them and enforce them as they wish.

In this case MS is not being unfair. They laid the rules out ahead of time. This user broke the rules and caused a severe disruption.
It seems pretty cut and dried to me.

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I hope you realise that as soon as a website becomes a commercial paid for service it becomes liable for all the anti-discrimination legislation in every country it is accessible from... free to use forums are a different matter.. there any rules made can be 100% at the discretion of the owners of the site.. once you start taking money then various laws regarding use and access to the service and any discriminatory policies contained within rules can be challenged under the laws of whatever country either the site is based in.. or the complainant is from.

My previous post still stands.. M$ screwed up and have realised their rules are discriminatory... whether by accident or design they have learned another lesson about the world. Allowing people the option to say things about themselves is one thing.,. censoring them for expressing a preference which is legal to express is discrimination not a simple matter of rule breaking. The "no sexual content" means just that.. saying "oh.. I happen to be a lesbian/by/gay/trans" is not illegal and breaks no rules. If you are so bigoted and backward thinking that such statements offend you I suggest you either get an education rapidly, or rethink what religion you claim to belong to.. because you are the dinosaur.. it's the 21st century not the middle ages (though some countries are returning to them it seems). The world has changed beyond recognition.. while in practice discrimination through bigotry and hate of difference still hides behind religion and mob hysteria.. it is another thing entirely for a large company to use such lame excuses to discriminate against anyone. A few people complained they didn't like the word lesbian on a profile.. guess what.. get over it.. there are far worse things on XBL than the word lesbian.. or do you not have ears. I spent 3 minutes on there.. and that was enough for me. I don't want to hear foul mouthed homophobic racist kids screaming abuse at everybody.. no thanks. It's about playing games.. not being as offensive as possible to everybody.

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Microsoft did note that their XBL policy bars "the expression of relationship preference in Gamertag profiles and tags, whether that's heterosexual or other."

MS attempted to avoid all discrimination. The person here blatantly ignored the rules. Any discrimination they "suffered" was a result of them breaking the T&Cs of the XBL account. MS are fully within their rights to ban them. The user accepted a legal agreement by using the XBL account. Banning is what the T&Cs say will happen.

It's silly minoritys, which it seems you buy into, that made it discriminatory. If someone was banned for being hetrosexual, no-one would care. If some lesbian gets banned, OMFG!!!!!! MS IS DISCRIMINATORY!!!! SUE THE BASTARDS!!!!!1!

Get a life.

Oh, it isn't homophobic. Most people you find don't actually care what you get up to. We just don't want it shoved down our throats. Jehovahs Witnesses and "gays". Who cares what you get up to in your private time. XBL is for playing games.

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It's about playing games.. not being as offensive as possible to everybody.

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Exactly. I don't want to listen to foul mouthed kids screaming abuse at me over their sexuality. I want to play a fking game.

Comment by: chrissd (Jul 05, 2009 08:26)

Originally posted by ThePastor:

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Why do you call me a bigot, insult or attack my "religion" which you don't even know what it is and then insult me as a "dinosaur" or from the "middle ages"?
A) I have never been, nor will I ever be a bigot of any kind and my words and deeds express this entirely.
B) You have no clue what my religion is or isn't so have no basis for criticism.
C) I am a very enlightened, modern man who understands the intricacies of running a large online space. I have a great amount of experience doing it. I'm not some middle aged bumkin pulling crap out of my ass.

I've never insulted you or your opinions. I have no idea why you have reacted in this way and I demand an apology.

If you cannot debate an issue intelligently and without insults and attacks then maybe you should take a day or two off.

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It's varnull. :P Slight note, if you've really had experience "running a large online space", then you'd know that:

A) Demanding an apology is useless

B) Some people will react badly just because they can without any aggravation neccessary.



Note about the original article which most of you seem to have missed, the person broke a rule in the XBL EULA. They deserve to get kicked off for that.

But, as always, it's only sexist if they're male, it's only racist if they're white and it's only discriminatory if you're the one who got kicked for shoving your views down someone elses throat. Same reason a company will put a female with no qualifications onto a board is the same reason MSFT is apologising.

They may be right, the person may have violated the license agreements, they may have done everything correct according to a court of law, but they'd still get sued and lose because the "minority" can claim discrimination and people will still follow them. One of the german people put it well, the masses are stupid. :P And played oh so easily.