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DVDBack23 @ Feb 23, 2009 04:50 | 45 comments

Despite all of its accomplishments, there has been one glaring defect with the Xbox 360, the infamous Red Ring of Death (RROD) brought on by overheating of the system.

At first the software giant denied the RROD problem but eventually owned up to the console's failures and set aside $1.1 billion USD to cover extending the warranty of the system to three years for any system hit with RROD.

The company was even hit with a class-action lawsuit last October over the RROD problem which is still in court.

However, according to Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg, RROD may be a thing of the past. "We've improved that [repair] process. It's very quick, and they may upgrade your system with the latest technology. So that works really well.

"...What we do in general, the way that it works, is that they will fix it with the latest [hardware] improvements that we've applied [to current Xbox 360s]. Obviously we're continuously improving the technology inside the box, not to get too technical. So they'll apply that when they make the increments to your system."

Although Greenberg did not go into specifics, the "upgraded system" is almost certainly the new 'Jasper'-based systems that use cooler running GPUs.

Greenberg adds: "We're seeing great performance of the current systems, so we're really happy with the way they've been performing. ... From friends that have had [repairs] done as of late, I can tell you from our own internal staff that we're seeing very strong performance from a quality standpoint.

"What it comes down to is isolating and figuring out the issue, fixing the issue, and the more that we can fix the issue, and know it's fixed, then we're good going forward. We've put the worst behind us on this, but we know there are a few lagging systems, and so we want to take those and make it right."

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Comment by: lawndog (Feb 24, 2009 00:36)

wow, just outta curiousity, how much time are these people spending on their 360s or other systems for all these over heating issues to arise. Or how are you taking care of it. I had my 1st gen 360 (2 weeks after release) and not had a problem with it. Bought anouther ffor a different tv about a year ago and no problems with it either. Then I read that people are on their 3 to 5th?? Maybe I'm just lucky

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 24, 2009 00:48)

Originally posted by lawndog:
wow, just outta curiousity, how much time are these people spending on their 360s or other systems for all these over heating issues to arise. Or how are you taking care of it. I had my 1st gen 360 (2 weeks after release) and not had a problem with it. Bought anouther ffor a different tv about a year ago and no problems with it either. Then I read that people are on their 3 to 5th?? Maybe I'm just lucky

Its basically 2-3 in 10, meaning there are 2-3 times as many people with good units.

Comment by: embo22000 (Feb 24, 2009 03:03)

Well im on my 50th 360 and my 25th ps3 this consoles suck lol

Comment by: John1800 (Feb 24, 2009 03:16)

Yeah, unless UPS breaks your 360 when you are sending it off for repair and Microsoft refuses to fix it and UPS refuses to take responsibility for it. Then you are out of luck, like me. Meanwhile, sold all my 360 games and I bought a PS3. No worries of dying + BRD! I reset my my 360 via the towel trick and use it for a media extender for the bed room.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Feb 24, 2009 03:25)

Originally posted by John1800:
Yeah, unless UPS breaks your 360 when you are sending it off for repair and Microsoft refuses to fix it and UPS refuses to take responsibility for it. Then you are out of luck, like me. Meanwhile, sold all my 360 games and I bought a PS3. No worries of dying + BRD! I reset my my 360 via the towel trick and use it for a media extender for the bed room.

I sold off mine too not worth the pain, want to get a newer unit though.

Comment by: NFaerie (Feb 27, 2009 17:09)

The RROD has not gone.
This is what M# did.

Before: The 360 overheats and crashes. You get a 3 red light error code.
NOW: The 360 still overheats and crashes. You get nothing as they removed that error code from the system.

So, no error code, no RROD??? BULLSH!T MICRO$OFT!!!

You get the exact same problems but no lights.
You turn on your console and the power supply light is still green and the TV shows nothing. No lights flash as that error code doesnt exist anymore.

DOnt believe me? Go ask your closest repair shop thats NOT Micro#oft. There would be an unusual ammount of systems that dont turn on but dont show RROD.

So, M$, how long do you think you can Bullsh!t the public till they realise you are doing a scam on us?

I hear a huge lawsite coming.

Comment by: Gnawnivek (Feb 28, 2009 03:26)

Originally posted by NFaerie:
The RROD has not gone.
This is what M# did.

Before: The 360 overheats and crashes. You get a 3 red light error code.
NOW: The 360 still overheats and crashes. You get nothing as they removed that error code from the system.

So, no error code, no RROD??? BULLSH!T MICRO$OFT!!!

You get the exact same problems but no lights.
You turn on your console and the power supply light is still green and the TV shows nothing. No lights flash as that error code doesnt exist anymore.

DOnt believe me? Go ask your closest repair shop thats NOT Micro#oft. There would be an unusual ammount of systems that dont turn on but dont show RROD.

So, M$, how long do you think you can Bullsh!t the public till they realise you are doing a scam on us?

I hear a huge lawsite coming.

this is for real? i had this guess a while back (more like a joke) b/c i did the same with my car's blinking inidicators. My friend just disconnected one of the wire and the blinking noise went away. It was nothing major, not like engine problem or anything. I was able to drive the car fine until one of the belt thingy smoked up, lol. I hope that's not what MS did.

Oh, i don't have problems with my replacement yet, but i haven't play Xbox 360 since finishing Gears 2 so who knows...

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 18:02)

I really believe it's all bad care and really people having problems that they could easily fix should they take the time to care for their "Investments"
I have a
Original Model PS1 - Still Running fine
Launch PS2 - Still Running fine - Got laser re-calibrated to read disks better, although it wasn't needed. *Side Note* Guy who adjusted my unit was amazed that it was still running and so clean inside.
Launch PS3 - Still Running Fine - In process of upgrading HD
Model 2 PSP - Still Running Fine, no dead pixels
And i'm also using all the original controllers but on the PS1 i did have to tighten the springs in the Dual Shock Controllers i bought for it.
What i am wondering is how often do you crack open your old systems that you use and clean them? I mean from back to the NES the first system i had i was opening and cleaning it every six months, now don't get me wrong when time goes by and I don't use them i let this rule slide and whenever i find bad solder points i do re-solder them. IDK i mean i do agree that the quality should be better but honestly i really think that isn't the problem i think people should just maintenance their hardware much like how you would a car. If it breaks it's your own fault for not taken care of it.

I will be soon buying a X360 and i will baby the f*** out of it from all the stuff i have heard about it, crack the case every six months clean and see if it needs more cooling gel, just like you do to any other computer i'm just like WTF?!? why is your 360 overheating? Do you actually run ac in your home? I'm not really trying to be a dick but seriously how is this happening? Microsoft isn't the best of companies but they don't release products that are that faulty. It's just in my personal experience i have seen people claming oh the ps2 is tha suxor it won't read any disks?!?! Then they give me their system and in maybe an hour or so it's working fine for me, and i tell them YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THIS THING, or it will play my games fine just not their scratched to sh** disks. Just things i think are common sense, like don't wrap the cords around the controllers it puts stress on the wires inside and shortens the life of the device, don't leave disks lying around it shortens their life, if your system is blowing hot air then you have problems with it, clean, add more gel, swap fans if needed put in area away from other hot things so it can breathe. Whats the temp inside your house? Is it hotter then 75*? You will and i mean WILL have problems with electronics they like that temp any hotter and you are shortening their lives.
Just be a man own up to the fact that you didn't take care of the system and move on, their is probably some nice other system that was designed for little kiddies that will be harder for you to destroy leave the cool toys for the big boys.
Now that said, i am not perfect i am on my second PSP, that would be because i cracked the screen on the first one, i didn't buy a case had it in my pocket and managed to break the screen when i was driving and trying to grab some tissue because snot was running down my face. I gambled and lost, let that be a lesson to you all deal with snot psp is so worth it :P
but thats my rant, sorry for ranting i really do try to avoid it, but i just couldn't take it anymore. I had to tell someone how i felt about this subject it just ended up here.
Hell it's not like anyone will actually take the time to read this rant LOL

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 18:08)

Originally posted by OW364:
I really believe it's all bad care and really people having problems that they could easily fix should they take the time to care for their "Investments"
I have a
Original Model PS1 - Still Running fine
Launch PS2 - Still Running fine - Got laser re-calibrated to read disks better, although it wasn't needed. *Side Note* Guy who adjusted my unit was amazed that it was still running and so clean inside.
Launch PS3 - Still Running Fine - In process of upgrading HD
Model 2 PSP - Still Running Fine, no dead pixels
And i'm also using all the original controllers but on the PS1 i did have to tighten the springs in the Dual Shock Controllers i bought for it.
What i am wondering is how often do you crack open your old systems that you use and clean them? I mean from back to the NES the first system i had i was opening and cleaning it every six months, now don't get me wrong when time goes by and I don't use them i let this rule slide and whenever i find bad solder points i do re-solder them. IDK i mean i do agree that the quality should be better but honestly i really think that isn't the problem i think people should just maintenance their hardware much like how you would a car. If it breaks it's your own fault for not taken care of it.

I will be soon buying a X360 and i will baby the f*** out of it from all the stuff i have heard about it, crack the case every six months clean and see if it needs more cooling gel, just like you do to any other computer i'm just like WTF?!? why is your 360 overheating? Do you actually run ac in your home? I'm not really trying to be a dick but seriously how is this happening? Microsoft isn't the best of companies but they don't release products that are that faulty. It's just in my personal experience i have seen people claming oh the ps2 is tha suxor it won't read any disks?!?! Then they give me their system and in maybe an hour or so it's working fine for me, and i tell them YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THIS THING, or it will play my games fine just not their scratched to sh** disks. Just things i think are common sense, like don't wrap the cords around the controllers it puts stress on the wires inside and shortens the life of the device, don't leave disks lying around it shortens their life, if your system is blowing hot air then you have problems with it, clean, add more gel, swap fans if needed put in area away from other hot things so it can breathe. Whats the temp inside your house? Is it hotter then 75*? You will and i mean WILL have problems with electronics they like that temp any hotter and you are shortening their lives.
Just be a man own up to the fact that you didn't take care of the system and move on, their is probably some nice other system that was designed for little kiddies that will be harder for you to destroy leave the cool toys for the big boys.
Now that said, i am not perfect i am on my second PSP, that would be because i cracked the screen on the first one, i didn't buy a case had it in my pocket and managed to break the screen when i was driving and trying to grab some tissue because snot was running down my face. I gambled and lost, let that be a lesson to you all deal with snot psp is so worth it :P
but thats my rant, sorry for ranting i really do try to avoid it, but i just couldn't take it anymore. I had to tell someone how i felt about this subject it just ended up here.
Hell it's not like anyone will actually take the time to read this rant LOL

The older 360s will fail in a room temp of 70+ besides if you need a constant 60 to run the 360 that would be a heaftly energy bill.

I have cleaned a hand full of units and they revived DC/PS2,ect but they tend to have weaker lens units. And the PS2 is known to have a few really bad lens units

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 18:36)

Quote:
Originally posted by OW364:
I really believe it's all bad care and really people having problems that they could easily fix should they take the time to care for their "Investments"
I have a
Original Model PS1 - Still Running fine
Launch PS2 - Still Running fine - Got laser re-calibrated to read disks better, although it wasn't needed. *Side Note* Guy who adjusted my unit was amazed that it was still running and so clean inside.
Launch PS3 - Still Running Fine - In process of upgrading HD
Model 2 PSP - Still Running Fine, no dead pixels
And i'm also using all the original controllers but on the PS1 i did have to tighten the springs in the Dual Shock Controllers i bought for it.
What i am wondering is how often do you crack open your old systems that you use and clean them? I mean from back to the NES the first system i had i was opening and cleaning it every six months, now don't get me wrong when time goes by and I don't use them i let this rule slide and whenever i find bad solder points i do re-solder them. IDK i mean i do agree that the quality should be better but honestly i really think that isn't the problem i think people should just maintenance their hardware much like how you would a car. If it breaks it's your own fault for not taken care of it.

I will be soon buying a X360 and i will baby the f*** out of it from all the stuff i have heard about it, crack the case every six months clean and see if it needs more cooling gel, just like you do to any other computer i'm just like WTF?!? why is your 360 overheating? Do you actually run ac in your home? I'm not really trying to be a dick but seriously how is this happening? Microsoft isn't the best of companies but they don't release products that are that faulty. It's just in my personal experience i have seen people claming oh the ps2 is tha suxor it won't read any disks?!?! Then they give me their system and in maybe an hour or so it's working fine for me, and i tell them YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THIS THING, or it will play my games fine just not their scratched to sh** disks. Just things i think are common sense, like don't wrap the cords around the controllers it puts stress on the wires inside and shortens the life of the device, don't leave disks lying around it shortens their life, if your system is blowing hot air then you have problems with it, clean, add more gel, swap fans if needed put in area away from other hot things so it can breathe. Whats the temp inside your house? Is it hotter then 75*? You will and i mean WILL have problems with electronics they like that temp any hotter and you are shortening their lives.
Just be a man own up to the fact that you didn't take care of the system and move on, their is probably some nice other system that was designed for little kiddies that will be harder for you to destroy leave the cool toys for the big boys.
Now that said, i am not perfect i am on my second PSP, that would be because i cracked the screen on the first one, i didn't buy a case had it in my pocket and managed to break the screen when i was driving and trying to grab some tissue because snot was running down my face. I gambled and lost, let that be a lesson to you all deal with snot psp is so worth it :P
but thats my rant, sorry for ranting i really do try to avoid it, but i just couldn't take it anymore. I had to tell someone how i felt about this subject it just ended up here.
Hell it's not like anyone will actually take the time to read this rant LOL
The older 360s will fail in a room temp of 70+ besides if you need a constant 60 to run the 360 that would be a heaftly energy bill.

I have cleaned a hand full of units and they revived DC/PS2,ect but they tend to have weaker lens units. And the PS2 is known to have a few really bad lens units

WOW really? it's not all hype?
Thats very surprising! So where is the failure at then? The gel used on the CPUs, fans, ETC?
I'm just wondering because i would like to know what sort of upgrades i should do to the machine after i buy one.
From what i have heard and seen with the ps2s after one has been moved around a lot the laser it's self needs to be re-adjusted to be put back to the factory setting because of how it's setup, i guess it's a plastic gear of some sort, but i'm not sure. So am i one of the lucky few then, or should i be expecting a hardware failure?
Oh and thanks for reading my rant :D

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 18:55)

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by OW364:
I really believe it's all bad care and really people having problems that they could easily fix should they take the time to care for their "Investments"
I have a
Original Model PS1 - Still Running fine
Launch PS2 - Still Running fine - Got laser re-calibrated to read disks better, although it wasn't needed. *Side Note* Guy who adjusted my unit was amazed that it was still running and so clean inside.
Launch PS3 - Still Running Fine - In process of upgrading HD
Model 2 PSP - Still Running Fine, no dead pixels
And i'm also using all the original controllers but on the PS1 i did have to tighten the springs in the Dual Shock Controllers i bought for it.
What i am wondering is how often do you crack open your old systems that you use and clean them? I mean from back to the NES the first system i had i was opening and cleaning it every six months, now don't get me wrong when time goes by and I don't use them i let this rule slide and whenever i find bad solder points i do re-solder them. IDK i mean i do agree that the quality should be better but honestly i really think that isn't the problem i think people should just maintenance their hardware much like how you would a car. If it breaks it's your own fault for not taken care of it.

I will be soon buying a X360 and i will baby the f*** out of it from all the stuff i have heard about it, crack the case every six months clean and see if it needs more cooling gel, just like you do to any other computer i'm just like WTF?!? why is your 360 overheating? Do you actually run ac in your home? I'm not really trying to be a dick but seriously how is this happening? Microsoft isn't the best of companies but they don't release products that are that faulty. It's just in my personal experience i have seen people claming oh the ps2 is tha suxor it won't read any disks?!?! Then they give me their system and in maybe an hour or so it's working fine for me, and i tell them YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THIS THING, or it will play my games fine just not their scratched to sh** disks. Just things i think are common sense, like don't wrap the cords around the controllers it puts stress on the wires inside and shortens the life of the device, don't leave disks lying around it shortens their life, if your system is blowing hot air then you have problems with it, clean, add more gel, swap fans if needed put in area away from other hot things so it can breathe. Whats the temp inside your house? Is it hotter then 75*? You will and i mean WILL have problems with electronics they like that temp any hotter and you are shortening their lives.
Just be a man own up to the fact that you didn't take care of the system and move on, their is probably some nice other system that was designed for little kiddies that will be harder for you to destroy leave the cool toys for the big boys.
Now that said, i am not perfect i am on my second PSP, that would be because i cracked the screen on the first one, i didn't buy a case had it in my pocket and managed to break the screen when i was driving and trying to grab some tissue because snot was running down my face. I gambled and lost, let that be a lesson to you all deal with snot psp is so worth it :P
but thats my rant, sorry for ranting i really do try to avoid it, but i just couldn't take it anymore. I had to tell someone how i felt about this subject it just ended up here.
Hell it's not like anyone will actually take the time to read this rant LOL
The older 360s will fail in a room temp of 70+ besides if you need a constant 60 to run the 360 that would be a heaftly energy bill.

I have cleaned a hand full of units and they revived DC/PS2,ect but they tend to have weaker lens units. And the PS2 is known to have a few really bad lens units
WOW really? it's not all hype?
Thats very surprising! So where is the failure at then? The gel used on the CPUs, fans, ETC?
I'm just wondering because i would like to know what sort of upgrades i should do to the machine after i buy one.
From what i have heard and seen with the ps2s after one has been moved around a lot the laser it's self needs to be re-adjusted to be put back to the factory setting because of how it's setup, i guess it's a plastic gear of some sort, but i'm not sure. So am i one of the lucky few then, or should i be expecting a hardware failure?
Oh and thanks for reading my rant :D

No no the DREs were caused by mass produced lens liens that where just manufactured badly they had 3 or 4 one was in the PS2 model 2 even so manufacturing issues are not rare just MS took it to a whole new level.

From my experiments with PS2 lens on the older models 400X,ect, they get weaker the more you play it if they can read sometimes and not others you might can get a year or so out of it by adjusting the small nobs they have on the back of the lens one is for CD the other for DVD.

I have had mixed results some failed after a few months some could even read DVD RW and lasted a year or more.

Outside of PSU(capacitor,ect),mainbaord fuses(oh god I never mastered repalceing those ><) and motor failures(normal ware mind you) the lens units are the next thing to go.

From what I gathered a couple years after the DRE mess hit the net that it was looking at a 5-10%(5-10% applied to the 5% fail rate norm) total fail rate on the PS2 for 2 or so years, it was big for awhile and then sony got it done away with in the next PS2 revision, the PS2 is up to 19 revisions I think including model 2, 3 or 4 of those revisions had DRE lens issues.

Still Sony managed to get it dealt with quickly and the only overheating I have seen on the PS2 was the 1-4 revisions that had a bad heatsink.

For the 360 its a mix of heat sink design/intreal placement of stuff and what they soldered the chips in with, I believe the newest revision/unit has the 1/3rd of the old 30% fail rate max. At least that is what I can gather from friends+the net and rumors. If anything MS has been slow to revise their product line...

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 19:15)

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by OW364:
I really believe it's all bad care and really people having problems that they could easily fix should they take the time to care for their "Investments"
I have a
Original Model PS1 - Still Running fine
Launch PS2 - Still Running fine - Got laser re-calibrated to read disks better, although it wasn't needed. *Side Note* Guy who adjusted my unit was amazed that it was still running and so clean inside.
Launch PS3 - Still Running Fine - In process of upgrading HD
Model 2 PSP - Still Running Fine, no dead pixels
And i'm also using all the original controllers but on the PS1 i did have to tighten the springs in the Dual Shock Controllers i bought for it.
What i am wondering is how often do you crack open your old systems that you use and clean them? I mean from back to the NES the first system i had i was opening and cleaning it every six months, now don't get me wrong when time goes by and I don't use them i let this rule slide and whenever i find bad solder points i do re-solder them. IDK i mean i do agree that the quality should be better but honestly i really think that isn't the problem i think people should just maintenance their hardware much like how you would a car. If it breaks it's your own fault for not taken care of it.

I will be soon buying a X360 and i will baby the f*** out of it from all the stuff i have heard about it, crack the case every six months clean and see if it needs more cooling gel, just like you do to any other computer i'm just like WTF?!? why is your 360 overheating? Do you actually run ac in your home? I'm not really trying to be a dick but seriously how is this happening? Microsoft isn't the best of companies but they don't release products that are that faulty. It's just in my personal experience i have seen people claming oh the ps2 is tha suxor it won't read any disks?!?! Then they give me their system and in maybe an hour or so it's working fine for me, and i tell them YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THIS THING, or it will play my games fine just not their scratched to sh** disks. Just things i think are common sense, like don't wrap the cords around the controllers it puts stress on the wires inside and shortens the life of the device, don't leave disks lying around it shortens their life, if your system is blowing hot air then you have problems with it, clean, add more gel, swap fans if needed put in area away from other hot things so it can breathe. Whats the temp inside your house? Is it hotter then 75*? You will and i mean WILL have problems with electronics they like that temp any hotter and you are shortening their lives.
Just be a man own up to the fact that you didn't take care of the system and move on, their is probably some nice other system that was designed for little kiddies that will be harder for you to destroy leave the cool toys for the big boys.
Now that said, i am not perfect i am on my second PSP, that would be because i cracked the screen on the first one, i didn't buy a case had it in my pocket and managed to break the screen when i was driving and trying to grab some tissue because snot was running down my face. I gambled and lost, let that be a lesson to you all deal with snot psp is so worth it :P
but thats my rant, sorry for ranting i really do try to avoid it, but i just couldn't take it anymore. I had to tell someone how i felt about this subject it just ended up here.
Hell it's not like anyone will actually take the time to read this rant LOL
The older 360s will fail in a room temp of 70+ besides if you need a constant 60 to run the 360 that would be a heaftly energy bill.

I have cleaned a hand full of units and they revived DC/PS2,ect but they tend to have weaker lens units. And the PS2 is known to have a few really bad lens units
WOW really? it's not all hype?
Thats very surprising! So where is the failure at then? The gel used on the CPUs, fans, ETC?
I'm just wondering because i would like to know what sort of upgrades i should do to the machine after i buy one.
From what i have heard and seen with the ps2s after one has been moved around a lot the laser it's self needs to be re-adjusted to be put back to the factory setting because of how it's setup, i guess it's a plastic gear of some sort, but i'm not sure. So am i one of the lucky few then, or should i be expecting a hardware failure?
Oh and thanks for reading my rant :D
No no the DREs were caused by mass produced lens liens that where just manufactured badly they had 3 or 4 one was in the PS2 model 2 even so manufacturing issues are not rare just MS took it to a whole new level.

From my experiments with PS2 lens on the older models 400X,ect, they get weaker the more you play it if they can read sometimes and not others you might can get a year or so out of it by adjusting the small nobs they have on the back of the lens one is for CD the other for DVD.

I have had mixed results some failed after a few months some could even read DVD RW and lasted a year or more.

Outside of PSU(capacitor,ect),mainbaord fuses(oh god I never mastered repalceing those ><) and motor failures(normal ware mind you) the lens units are the next thing to go.

From what I gathered a couple years after the DRE mess hit the net that it was looking at a 5-10%(5-10% applied to the 5% fail rate norm) total fail rate on the PS2 for 2 or so years, it was big for awhile and then sony got it done away with in the next PS2 revision, the PS2 is up to 19 revisions I think including model 2, 3 or 4 of those revisions had DRE lens issues.

Still Sony managed to get it dealt with quickly and the only overheating I have seen on the PS2 was the 1-4 revisions that had a bad heatsink.

For the 360 its a mix of heat sink design/intreal placement of stuff and what they soldered the chips in with, I believe the newest revision/unit has the 1/3rd of the old 30% fail rate max. At least that is what I can gather from friends+the net and rumors. If anything MS has been slow to revise their product line...

OMG! :-o!!!
Thats shocking, guess i'm one of the lucky few then eh? But maybe not, i mean, i didn't play my ps2 all that much when it was new i was still playing the ps1/n64 but around the time i really got into playing my ps2 i had dropped a fairly large hard drive *for the time* into it and was playing my games that way. I didn't like all the swapping of disks. My system has never seen a burned copy of anything or a movie dvd only original PS2 games....
well consider my rant withdrawn. Usually i just run across these sorts of things from fanboys, thanks for putting it in plain english :D
But as far as the 360 goes what version is running the best, i had heard that the arcade version had the new chipset in it that made it run cooler, any truth there? And what are your thoughts on buying a small 20 gig drive and dropping a 200-260 gig 2.5" sata in it? Is there anything special to their drive or is it just open and swap?
Thank you so much for helping me out, like i said before this was all bugging me greatly and just finally decided to say something :P

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 19:26)

OW364

http://www.overclock.net/xbox/446845-xbo...nformation.html

Jasper is most current I believe.

Since the 7th gen has been crappy game qaulity wise I have not gotten into it heavily I have fixed a couple of 360s but I mostly fix up random Saturns/DCs/PSX/Xbox,PS2/ect mostly PS2 and Xboxs.

ggaaa I need viagra for gaming.... modern games are mostly shine and I no longer am dazzled by shiny >>

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 19:47)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
OW364

http://www.overclock.net/xbox/446845-xbo...nformation.html

Jasper is most current I believe.

Since the 7th gen has been crappy game qaulity wise I have not gotten into it heavily I have fixed a couple of 360s but I mostly fix up random Saturns/DCs/PSX/Xbox,PS2/ect mostly PS2 and Xboxs.

ggaaa I need viagra for gaming.... modern games are mostly shine and I no longer am dazzled by shiny >>

Amen! lol
I got the ps3 but found myself playing the PSN games more then the store bought ones, GTA4 was very cool but i miss all the features that were in the last one, maybe DLC will fix that but eh just seems like i bought gta3 with better gfx and a few other features.
I just got SF4 and i like it quite a bit Seth does make the game very unbalanced but i'm not so against that.
I got a wii and really i only play the VC games lol it's nice to not have to bust out the old NES or SNES to play a few games and i was very impressed with the emulation so far and the price isn't to bad for the convience it gives me.
But mostly i play my psp and i just play various emulators on there....
So yeah are the games really focused on shiny or am i just getting old. :(
Thanks for all the help and info it will help me greatly in buying a 360 and really i don't care if it even entertains me i want it to add to my collection :D
If you don't mind me asking, what system/s and game/s are you currently playing?

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 19:56)

Quote:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
OW364

http://www.overclock.net/xbox/446845-xbo...nformation.html

Jasper is most current I believe.

Since the 7th gen has been crappy game qaulity wise I have not gotten into it heavily I have fixed a couple of 360s but I mostly fix up random Saturns/DCs/PSX/Xbox,PS2/ect mostly PS2 and Xboxs.

ggaaa I need viagra for gaming.... modern games are mostly shine and I no longer am dazzled by shiny >>
Amen! lol
I got the ps3 but found myself playing the PSN games more then the store bought ones, GTA4 was very cool but i miss all the features that were in the last one, maybe DLC will fix that but eh just seems like i bought gta3 with better gfx and a few other features.
I just got SF4 and i like it quite a bit Seth does make the game very unbalanced but i'm not so against that.
I got a wii and really i only play the VC games lol it's nice to not have to bust out the old NES or SNES to play a few games and i was very impressed with the emulation so far and the price isn't to bad for the convience it gives me.
But mostly i play my psp and i just play various emulators on there....
So yeah are the games really focused on shiny or am i just getting old. :(
Thanks for all the help and info it will help me greatly in buying a 360 and really i don't care if it even entertains me i want it to add to my collection :D
If you don't mind me asking, what system/s and game/s are you currently playing?

Its a mix of age and lack of qaulity, some can ignore it and play on but I swear when a 50$ game in under deved and unfinished I just can't anymore...

At this time not much I try to play and stay focused on random new PC games I "find" sometimes I'll go buy it if I like it like Call of Juarez or Stalker. I am thinking abotu getting a DS and M3 or R4 pro and toy with GBA/stuff on it. Console wise I ahve had the Saturn plugged in most this year is the Saturn I have been amusing myself with Beyond Oasis 2(crappy sequel) and Albert oddessy(odd RPG).

I want to get a wii/PS3/360 but I dunno if its worth it 0-o

Hell I got 4 new RPGs for the PS2 the remake of wild arms blows its a fcking down grade of a sprite game if you can believe it not tried the Shadow hearts games yet I got all 3 for 40ish$.

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 20:13)

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
OW364

http://www.overclock.net/xbox/446845-xbo...nformation.html

Jasper is most current I believe.

Since the 7th gen has been crappy game qaulity wise I have not gotten into it heavily I have fixed a couple of 360s but I mostly fix up random Saturns/DCs/PSX/Xbox,PS2/ect mostly PS2 and Xboxs.

ggaaa I need viagra for gaming.... modern games are mostly shine and I no longer am dazzled by shiny >>
Amen! lol
I got the ps3 but found myself playing the PSN games more then the store bought ones, GTA4 was very cool but i miss all the features that were in the last one, maybe DLC will fix that but eh just seems like i bought gta3 with better gfx and a few other features.
I just got SF4 and i like it quite a bit Seth does make the game very unbalanced but i'm not so against that.
I got a wii and really i only play the VC games lol it's nice to not have to bust out the old NES or SNES to play a few games and i was very impressed with the emulation so far and the price isn't to bad for the convience it gives me.
But mostly i play my psp and i just play various emulators on there....
So yeah are the games really focused on shiny or am i just getting old. :(
Thanks for all the help and info it will help me greatly in buying a 360 and really i don't care if it even entertains me i want it to add to my collection :D
If you don't mind me asking, what system/s and game/s are you currently playing?

Its a mix of age and lack of qaulity, some can ignore it and play on but I swear when a 50$ game in under deved and unfinished I just can't anymore...

At this time not much I try to play and stay focused on random new PC games I "find" sometimes I'll go buy it if I like it like Call of Juarez or Stalker. I am thinking abotu getting a DS and M3 or R4 pro and toy with GBA/stuff on it. Console wise I ahve had the Saturn plugged in most this year is the Saturn I have been amusing myself with Beyond Oasis 2(crappy sequel) and Albert oddessy(odd RPG).

I want to get a wii/PS3/360 but I dunno if its worth it 0-o

Hell I got 4 new RPGs for the PS2 the remake of wild arms blows its a fcking down grade of a sprite game if you can believe it not tried the Shadow hearts games yet I got all 3 for 40ish$.

WOW i can't believe the PS2 games are that cheap these days, did you get em used? Sadly i have never had the chance to experience the awesome that was the saturn, and anymore these days i keep getting suckered into buying stupid things like gas and food so i haven't had the money to buy one and check it out. :(
I have a friend who loves RPGs for the ps2 and actually sits thru them then tells me how crappy a lot of them are. I have just tried to stay back and play the ones he says are cool LOL :P
But as far as rpgs go i love the old skool ones for the pc, i forget the names but i remember there would be a little window for the first person view and you would just wonder around in dungeons, although i did like a few of the ones on the dreamcast. Ah sega where have you gone? Why must sonic be your cheap whore? lol
If you are seriously thinking about getting a "next gen" console i might be able to help, when i first saw them i thought these are crap, why would i spend this much money for gfx that will never be better then pc?
It went like this for me.
PS3 - Got for a media center i hooked a computer to my tv got the ps3 to replace the computer, still have the computer hooked to my tv, but it might get replaced by my on demand service from netflix
Wii - Got mainly because i thought man if i would have only known that the virtual boy would have failed i would have bought one sooner, and well the wii just really smells like virtual boy to me.
Don't get me wrong motion sensing is awesome :D but ever sense a friend said hey why are there no porn games on that thing? I stopped and thought hey why not!?!? porn is so funny a porn game on the wii endless hours of funny :D lol
But on the plus side the wii was very easy to hack and load backups on it, i am one of those tries before i buys kind of guys and that is always a bonus to me :D Besides the old skool aspects make it worth it to me. The VC controller is very nice, it's like the snes and the ps2 made a beautiful baby :D

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 20:29)

OW364
Saturn is not that great it has maybe 10 worthwhile games the rest suck..kinda like the new systems lulz.

BO 2 was 15$,AO was 40$, Shadow hearts 3 was 14,1 was 20 and 2 was 15ish oh so under 50.

Hell I sold off a extra copy of Luanr 1 sega CD for 30$ I am trying to find 2 but 60$ is steap...I don;t really care about the dumbed down PSX remakes they go for 50ish a pop and the swap trick works for the Ps2/3 so theres little need to buy new :P.

All of this is used mind you, I buy from ebay or amazon wherever has the lower price.

I can not survive a bad gam without a code breaker or game enhancer of some kind(Legia 2 was fun with the weight limits off) since the industry has made subtle moves to ban them so making new bad games fun with unofficial cheats is like quality a thing of the past.

Consoles have standard code and hardware environments , cheaper and easier to dev for than PC since you have more console units out you sell more titles so cheaper/easier=more profit in this case.

3 reasons why the WII is not epic 1 the industry dose not like real gamers anymore. 2 focus on non gamers ,3 shovel ware its a bad combo but the WII is only the casual nature of gaming magnified a few times I mean look at the downgrade halo got....

The wii would be awesome if it saw the virtue in letting the player decide what controller and what button layout to play in but tis so overly generic and bland the only reason to get it like the rest is for the small handfull of worthwhile titles...

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 21:18)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
OW364
Saturn is not that great it has maybe 10 worthwhile games the rest suck..kinda like the new systems lulz.

BO 2 was 15$,AO was 40$, Shadow hearts 3 was 14,1 was 20 and 2 was 15ish oh so under 50.

Hell I sold off a extra copy of Luanr 1 sega CD for 30$ I am trying to find 2 but 60$ is steap...I don;t really care about the dumbed down PSX remakes they go for 50ish a pop and the swap trick works for the Ps2/3 so theres little need to buy new :P.

All of this is used mind you, I buy from ebay or amazon wherever has the lower price.

I can not survive a bad gam without a code breaker or game enhancer of some kind(Legia 2 was fun with the weight limits off) since the industry has made subtle moves to ban them so making new bad games fun with unofficial cheats is like quality a thing of the past.

Consoles have standard code and hardware environments , cheaper and easier to dev for than PC since you have more console units out you sell more titles so cheaper/easier=more profit in this case.

3 reasons why the WII is not epic 1 the industry dose not like real gamers anymore. 2 focus on non gamers ,3 shovel ware its a bad combo but the WII is only the casual nature of gaming magnified a few times I mean look at the downgrade halo got....

The wii would be awesome if it saw the virtue in letting the player decide what controller and what button layout to play in but tis so overly generic and bland the only reason to get it like the rest is for the small handfull of worthwhile titles...

LOL thats so bad, i didn't know the saturn had so few good games.
Speaking of swap trick on ps2 have you checked out that Free Mcboot on the ps2, it's really saving my dvd drive now :D

Yeah i really miss playing with the action reply or game shark, i can remember using the game genie on the snes and making my own codes, the select start reboot was awesome. I understand that things have gotten very complex and simple ram/hex hacking really won't work the same, but i really miss it. They have it for the nds but it really doesn't feel the same, it's all software based now :(

The wii is pretty bad, but the few things it's good at it does them very well, it's just sad to see that for the most part the only decent games for the system are made by nintendo, but that really has been the nintendo methodology for a while now. I really would have liked to see the next RE on wii, but thats a pipe dream. There are a few things that i think they totally effed on the wii, but i think my complaint is more with the game devs then the system devs. But i could be wrong, my biggest complaint about the system is how when i point the wii mote at the screen it doesn't show directally where it should be, it's like they didn't take the time to make a calibrator for it so i could click and show them where the center of my screen is, i mean every guncon i ever played with always wanted to calibrate to find the center of the screen, why doesn't the wii mote do this? On my 50' plasma it becomes very noticeable, i can't use the bar at the top, or at the bottom, and shooting games feel weird and you have to get used to them like RE UC it's a very fun game after you stop trying to play it like you would in an arcade because the game doesn't calibrate.... kinda ruins it for me but eh thats just me. I guess when you get used to shooting realistically you want to point your gun at the target not at the bar sitting below the tv. :(
But eh, i'm not too mad i mainly wanted to collect the system and enjoy what it had to entertain me with. The mario game was cool, i thought that was a good use of the systems abilities. It felt pretty natural, well more natural then some of the other games lol.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 22:32)

OW364

The Saturn was rushed the DC was better.

I don;t care as long as I get varied cheats to tweak and fix their crappy games with...its a shame their propitiatory mindsets are killing gaming....

The was mishandled IMO the motion sensing is weaker than it should be but the WII is getting a version 2 on the monition sensing capabilities so maybe in acouple more years the WII will be the console it should have been from the start...

Frankly I'll take the downgrade in graphics if RE5 plays better on the WII...my god stop and shoot....fcking A man...make that a choice...

Unless Nin makes a unit with a good up converter look into SD up converting equipment it might take some of the...er....pixaltion out of it...

Control options is the new reasonably fixed thing they can deal with, they should have learned by now not everyone plays the same so mandatory cookies are not good....

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 02, 2009 22:50)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
OW364

The Saturn was rushed the DC was better.

I don;t care as long as I get varied cheats to tweak and fix their crappy games with...its a shame their propitiatory mindsets are killing gaming....

The was mishandled IMO the motion sensing is weaker than it should be but the WII is getting a version 2 on the monition sensing capabilities so maybe in acouple more years the WII will be the console it should have been from the start...

Frankly I'll take the downgrade in graphics if RE5 plays better on the WII...my god stop and shoot....fcking A man...make that a choice...

Unless Nin makes a unit with a good up converter look into SD up converting equipment it might take some of the...er....pixaltion out of it...

Control options is the new reasonably fixed thing they can deal with, they should have learned by now not everyone plays the same so mandatory cookies are not good....

lol yeah i didn't notice the pixels till i shut off smoothing options on my tv LOL i saw pics online and went wait?!?! what am i doing right hahah :D
Some of the games have good control options lots of the newer games let you use the VC controller to play so it doesn't force you to use the wiimote on everything some games are cool with it but fighting games are a big no no.
Yeah i'm pretty excited about RE5 i've just enjoyed the games, but really i'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to mindlessly killing things YAY carnage :D
I'm not too sure what they could do with the motion sensing add-on thing that they are not already doing but eh i guess i'll buy it and see when it comes lol
I'm probably one of what 5 people that actually liked that wii music game, but i also like games that have no point too LOL
Hum... score yes i did another awesome job on this song I'M THE BEST!!
OW364 FTW!!!
But again keep in mind, i'm a try then buy. and yeah didn't buy. :P

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 02, 2009 22:58)

OW364

The new wii controller revision is like a dual shock 2 but in this case its for more finite motion sensing IE its more sensitive so you can aim/control better with it.

If one recalls the PSX it had the basic analogless controller at first the dualshock with basic analog and the dual shock 2.

Control options should be handled by the system not the individual game to many cheap, and hurried devs...

RE5 fails they screwed up inventory,the shop AND controls....

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 03, 2009 16:32)

Zippydsm

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! say it ain't soooo!!!!! :'(

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 03, 2009 16:36)

So the new wii mote is gonna look more a like a dualshock? so it's just gonna be the ps3 controller? lol

did they really mess up RE5 that bad? :(

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Mar 03, 2009 21:49)

Originally posted by OW364:
So the new wii mote is gonna look more a like a dualshock? so it's just gonna be the ps3 controller? lol

did they really mess up RE5 that bad? :(

LOL

Well inventory can onyl be changed between elvels,you have to stop to shoot and a bunch of other annoying changes so RE5 is not all that.

I used the PSX controller/dual shock as a example of updates and changes to a consoles control scheme.

The newer wii mote wont change much but it will be more sensitive allowing for better aiming/movement.

Comment by: OW364 (Mar 04, 2009 15:30)

Quote:
Originally posted by OW364:
So the new wii mote is gonna look more a like a dualshock? so it's just gonna be the ps3 controller? lol

did they really mess up RE5 that bad? :(

LOL

Well inventory can onyl be changed between elvels,you have to stop to shoot and a bunch of other annoying changes so RE5 is not all that.

I used the PSX controller/dual shock as a example of updates and changes to a consoles control scheme.

The newer wii mote wont change much but it will be more sensitive allowing for better aiming/movement.

dude.... ok sleep is mos def needed on my end. Or maybe i should actually take the time to reply instead of stopping mid reply to go fix something on the network lol.
So your tellin me you have to stop then shoot?
If thats true thats a pretty broken game mechanic.
i hear you can strife now did they leave that in? LOL i can see it now, "Well to add in strife we had to remove something to keep you, the player pretty pissed at the game." I honestly think all shooters should stop and take a good hard look at perfect dark for the N64 if your game doesn't have all the features that game does don't even bother making it. Have you seen that Turning Point fall of liberty, seriously i have never played a FPS as broken as that one. I was amazed and played thru quite a bit of it as it started to get that evil dead sort of vibe to it, ya know "how bad can this thing get?!?"
Don't get me wrong the game is so bad it's pretty awesome in it's well broken....well everything, nothing seemed to work quite right for me. I but i guess i have been spoiled by games that when you walk up to a door or ladder that you can use it will either tell you or you just keep hitting X or A or whatever and off you go, not in this game, you have to get the on screen prompt and you have to hit that door or ladder from the correct direction facing the right way just perfect or nope no go. So you find yourself walking back and forth trying to get the damned text to pop on the screen "Hit X to use" then you go YAY! do another shot it actually said it this time YAY!!! But the part that makes it way "awesome" is when your running away from people and think oh i'll go up here or oh i'll hide in here and you walk back and forth trying to get the damn text. LOL to continue the "awesome" the other thing i loved about that game was the walls that didn't have textures, which looked normal till you tried to shoot a guy on the other side of it and didn't realize oh i'm dumping all my ammo into an untextured wall. :( hahahah i still have the game and will never sell it, lets just say i'm a glutton for "awesome".