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Comment by: AntSpliff (Jan 09, 2008 17:31)

DjDanio,

I wonder who writes the mags as well and what their agenda is and who is paying them? It doesn't make them more knowledgeable as much as it makes them more credible. If I reach I can say they are more knowledgeable b/c of the simple fact that they have more access to things than the average person such as myself.

Comment by: CaLiMaCk (Jan 09, 2008 18:05)

Originally posted by AntSpliff:

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FOR THE RECORD I OWN 360, PS3, AND WII. Ever since my coworker put me on to this site I've read it atleast three times a week for the last few months. This site has two big factions, M$ and Sony. People defend sony they're the future. People defend M$ they're the present and future. Blu-Ray is better the HD-DVD. You all have opinions and I think I've read one person who actually made sense to me and I can't recall who it was. Anyway, people are brand loyal but product stupid. Meaning, Sony is selling you people a flawed product again, which is the basic business model for all corporations. If the product works correctly the first time how are they going to make money. The money is always in the cure or in this case the fix. PS3 is the future of gaming but they don't have any qualtiy games. Not just my opinion but according to the VGA's and most gaming mags that I read, top games being purchased and played are for the 360. PS3 is selling you a gaming console off of the strength of a blu-ray player for movies. I don't buy gaming consoles to watch movies and I don't know a person who does. Yes its an added bonus but I prefer to kill or play a game on a gaming console. Next they're coming out with their PSH which is going to be free. All of you people that think this is a good idea, not! Think of it as in terms of hotmail, it was totally free until they got a share of the market and then all of a sudden they lowered your inbox size and started to charge you for more space. Currently XBL is touting 10mil people, PSH is free until they get about 1 or 2mil to sign up then it changes to a paid service. More than likely it'll be more than the $50/yr that XBL charges. Don't be fooled by this. 360 has always been advertised as a gaming console with some cool extras. More bang for your buck with the system and the live service. The games that are for 360 are better overall and publishers have been jumping ship to create games for the 360 solely for whatever reason i'm unaware of. I only have PS3 for Final Fantasy games but now that Square Enix decided to jump ship its pretty dusty. The crossover games are always better on 360 b/c of a added levels, weapons, maps, etc. The biggest scam all of you should know is that this format war is to divert your attention from what is really going on, Helping these mega-corporations finance their endeavours to perfect the digital downloading in the highest definitive quality. Once this is done neither format will be able to stand up to the convienency of the "click and push". If you people think that these aren't calculated moves on the part of these companies you need to a)take your GMAT and enroll in a business program and/or read Fortune 500 listings or Forbes and look to see how much Billy boy is worth. I'm sure the Sony president is high up there as well.

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woah, i never seen a more idiotic post in my life. i always love it when a microsoft viral marketer at the start tries to present himself as unbiased for owning all consoles and then goes on to bash the competitor. first of all sony isnt the one selling the flawed product, that would be your boss company MS, and your scenario in which they make money off a flawed product failed in this case, cus RROD cost them over a billion.

ps3 doesnt have quality games? i just checked gamerankings average and drakes uncharted has a 90% average, ratchet is up there too, UT3, etc. all games that are universally praised and are selling decent considering sony's unstable footing in america, which brings me to some other points. sure 360 is most played in america, it did have an extra year with no competition, but how is it doing outside of america? ps3 is outselling it in japan of course but now even europe according to latest reports! and we all know ps3 doesnt have the catalogue, price, or good press that the 360 has been getting the past few months.

hotmail which is run by, guess who? yea you guessed it MS, same company that charges you for online gaming which nobody else pays for and yet they cant give you dedicated servers, how nice of them. home is supposed to make revenue from digital downloads buddy, want that god of war couch? 50 cents or a dollar, get the picture? see MS not only charges you to get on the service but also get you for themes and every other little thing and still put advertisements in your face, how much is their larger HDD again, and you have no other options... also that 10 million counts banned users, and silver users, we all know MS loves to play with numbers, like when they hit 10 million 360s sold but really didnt, or the recent 17 million sold, but again, really didnt.

sony is doing a lot better it seems now than the crap hole they were in not even a year ago, they have made a lot of deals with companies like NCsoft, epic, etc, etc. talking about jumping ship you mean like how bungie(makers of halo 1-3)bioware(makers of knights of the old republic and mass effect and jade empire) and bizarre(makers of project gotham racing 1-4) all recently jumped off the microsoft development ship? and square enix jumping the sony ship wtf? they just recently reconfirmed FF13 and versus as exclusives, and are bringing more games including star ocean 4 which was shown in the psp remakes. maybe you were talking about that crap space ship game they published for 360, what was it called again?

crossover games always better on 360? you mean like burnout which is one button push to get online and play on ps3 and a series of buttons for 360, not to mention its superior on ps3, as well as oblivion, FNR3, DMC4, assassins creed, COD4, mercenaries 2, etc? we all know developers have had more time with 360 so they are more experienced with it but its not a rule of law that games are always better on it, especially not lately.

also digital downloads are a ways off, especially in america. we have really slow internet speeds compared to japan and now even australia is poised to pass us by, of all places!!! and guess what? ISPs are going to make our internets even slower as well as charging us more! they are using this excuse of running out of IP numbers as a reason to raise prices, etc! closest we will have now is the cable streaming like comcast, but even that is flawed and unreliable sometimes, doesnt have a lot of content, etc.

i cant believe i wasted all that time on you typing this but i was bored.

Comment by: AntSpliff (Jan 09, 2008 18:25)

It's clear that you don't have an understanding of the business model in American history by your first two paragraphs. It's also clear that you don't know me and shouldn't assume that I'm some viral ms whatever. Also people like you send out misinformation and people believe it because they don't know any better. For example, Square Enix is finishing up their previous contract with Sony not extending it. It's hard for me to continue because you have knowledge of the gaming world but not the business world. (atleast that what your post leads me to believe.) Also you start your post with negativity, you already lost this. Don't think for a minute that because I didn't address your whole posts that I don't know what I'm talking about by figure why bother? Your posts tells me everything I need to know about you. Also do more research and see how far they are from perfecting digital downloading her in USA, by the end of the fourth fiscal qtr. its scheduled to make a strong appearance. As a gamer, I by all the products and make an informed decision and the facts right now is that 360 and XBL is king in America. BTW, did I read Ratchet and Clank in your posts? That's in demand, I'm sure my 7 yo cousin would love it, thanks for the recommendation.

Comment by: AntSpliff (Jan 09, 2008 18:42)

Cali,

I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell you. I don't know your age or life experiences but please don't be so foolish as to believe that you'll get an optimum product for nothing. You're a funny guy. Also Cali, I don't live in all of these other countries where Sony is doing well. Those "other" numbers mean nothing in America. Don't let the overseas numbers fool you. Equate it to recording artists that can't sell enough records to go wood in the US but overseas they are triple platinum artists. If you stay focused you'll be able to keep up. Funny guy, please write more.

Comment by: glasssd (Jan 09, 2008 19:30)

Calimack, Facts and Logic will not be tolerated by fanBOYs. Please refrain from using any facts or logic from this point on. BTW, I'm 37 and love Ratchet and Clank.

Comment by: AntSpliff (Jan 09, 2008 20:16)

Originally posted by glasssd:

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Calimack, Facts and Logic will not be tolerated by fanBOYs. Please refrain from using any facts or logic from this point on. BTW, I'm 37 and love Ratchet and Clank.

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Glass,

Just like I told him I'm not a fanboy, unless you own all three systems I don't believe you can make a fair comparison. His "facts" about the game publishers are fictitious which makes his logic flawed. Please don't fight, debate, or argue with me about ms or ps3, I have both and ps3 games are trash. The same with psp, although it was good for watching my movies on trips. Nintendo DS has much better games. Sony puts out a thousand games and three are good. My first post said, "Brand loyalty but produt stupid." Gamers are especially susceptible to this. The posts on this website proves that, whether its pro ms or sony. Ninja Gaiden for the PS3 was fun so not all is lost. Glass, you should be ashamed of yourself, 37 and you believe that you get something for nothing.

Comment by: pirkster (Jan 09, 2008 20:50)

@ AntSpliff

I have taken the GMAT and am enrolled in an MBA program.

Sony's business model resembles nothing remotely like what you're portraying it to be.

You come off as someone bitter at the PS3 product rather than someone who actually knows what they're talking about. If you had studied business even on an undergraduate level, you wouldn't be so inaccurate in your description of their business model.

You're well within your right to dislike Sony's products (and you may be correct about the PS3 and their games), but otherwise you're way off base.

Comment by: glasssd (Jan 09, 2008 21:37)

I own the 360 and PS3. I got my PS3 last December. January, I did not renew my online subscription. After that I put my 360 in the closet. I'm not dogging the 360. I never had a problem with it other than two scratched disk which GameStop took care of. I doubt you have a PS3 as you call the games trash. Sony has more studio support than MS. The companies above did leave MS. Bungie owes MS one more game. Halo will never be on PS3. It is just obvious to me and anyone open minded that PS3 has more to offer. If MS did not have the Core system, the 360 would have almost equal potential except for the DVD9 - BD comparison for game size. I am getting online for free. I used to pay $50 a year. How is that not something for nothing. BTW, I am not going to argue with you about it. We both have our opinions and don't care if each other shares our own.

Comment by: AntSpliff (Jan 09, 2008 21:52)

Originally posted by pirkster:

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@ AntSpliff

I have taken the GMAT and am enrolled in an MBA program.

Sony's business model resembles nothing remotely like what you're portraying it to be.

You come off as someone bitter at the PS3 product rather than someone who actually knows what they're talking about. If you had studied business even on an undergraduate level, you wouldn't be so inaccurate in your description of their business model.

You're well within your right to dislike Sony's products (and you may be correct about the PS3 and their games), but otherwise you're way off base.

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Again, I don't dislike Sony, look at my posts nowhere does it say that. Nothing I said about the business model is inaccurate. The early years in US businesses companies sold their widgets at a high price to only a few consumers. Once they would break even then they begin to lower the price so the masses can receive it. This model pretty much lasted up until the Jimmy Carter and the Reagan years. Then it changed, everything was made cheaply so the masses can get it right away at a cheap price but then that diluted the quality of the widget. The microchip and the internet age comes into play and the business model took changed again. Everything was sold at a higher price but still made cheaply or poor quality service. This lasted until the mid 90's when the dotcom companies started to fold. The next change came which is sell cheap, get your product out there let it sell, gain momentum, and raise the price. Sony is doing this or they will be doing this. If you want to dispute this please do. I will email you personally, my thesis, which is excellent if i don't say so, and I'll also recommend some books for you to read to back my points thoroughly. Of course you can find books to counter my statement and your thesis might possibly do that as well it won't take away from the point that I made. Don't know what university or college you went to but I went to Temple and NYU, may not be UPENN's Wharton but damn I'm impressed by it.

Comment by: AntSpliff (Jan 09, 2008 22:03)

Originally posted by glasssd:

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I own the 360 and PS3. I got my PS3 last December. January, I did not renew my online subscription. After that I put my 360 in the closet. I'm not dogging the 360. I never had a problem with it other than two scratched disk which GameStop took care of. I doubt you have a PS3 as you call the games trash. Sony has more studio support than MS. The companies above did leave MS. Bungie owes MS one more game. Halo will never be on PS3. It is just obvious to me and anyone open minded that PS3 has more to offer. If MS did not have the Core system, the 360 would have almost equal potential except for the DVD9 - BD comparison for game size. I am getting online for free. I used to pay $50 a year. How is that not something for nothing. BTW, I am not going to argue with you about it. We both have our opinions and don't care if each other shares our own.

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It is trash and I say that b/c I want to play games on my system not watch the best movies on it. Their game catalogue sucks in comparison to 360. Do you really think you can have an equal online experience for free? You can't, if that's the case then it will be so laggy b/c of all the non dedicated servers that will be on the PSH (if that's what they're calling it.) Ninja Gaiden, Ratchet and Clank, and the male Tomb Raider that just came out will hold down the system. I'm so not a Sony hater, I own a Vaio, a PSP, PS2, had a PS, and PS3. The Vaio is by far my favorite product. The PSP is just something to watch movies on. Hasn't been played by me since MechAssault came out on Xbox and the PS3 hasn't been touched since I couldn't finish that hard ass Ninja Gaiden.

Comment by: glasssd (Jan 10, 2008 02:05)

After one year being on the market. Who do you think had more games, 360 or PS3. It's easy to look up. You dont know that the Play Station Network is PSN and not PSH. I guess if you have a PS3, you would be able to ansewer 5 questions about it? Let me know what games you have for it and which PS3 you have and I'll ask you a few.

No dedicated servers? Laging online play? Your making it kinda obvious. MotorStorm and RB6 are the only games that I have that are Host Servers only. No problems with them either.

Comment by: xXxBG (Jan 10, 2008 03:03)

AntSpliff has BS Written all over his head, and ohhh yeah, if u havent read, MICROSOFT HAS SQUASHED THE RUMOR TODAY.




I hate Microsoft

Comment by: hade (Jan 10, 2008 03:43)

Originally posted by AntSpliff:

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Anyway, people are brand loyal but product stupid. Meaning, Sony is selling you people a flawed product again, which is the basic business model for all corporations. If the product works correctly the first time how are they going to make money.

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that is probably one of the worst theories I've heard in a LONG eTIME! "flawed" by definition is to make or become DEFECTIVE. honestly with all biased aside, the playstation 3 is far from being considered "defective" or as you term "flawed." its even further from said word when you make the comparison with the xbox 360 which has continually, and still continues to suffer from problems resulting in what i believe or as you say a "FLAWED" design. their failure rate and the extension of the original warranty are proof. you don't extend a warranty for a product that is known to be in good performance, standards or condition. there simply is no LOGICAL explanation. as far as making money thus putting out subpar products is outrageously stupid. there is such a thing as product evolution. if you were to put out inferior products time and time again, you would never be able to build your "BRAND" which is ever so important nowadays.

As far as your ONLINE comments are concerned, you really lead me to believe that you don't play any online games for the ps3. Warhawk's stability and performance pretty much disprove your argument about the potential lag or poor gameplay issues. i also happen to own a 360 along with ONE game (NHL 08). now as much as you tout LIVE, it does absolutely NOTHING for ME or any NHL 08 gamer. Too many times i have suffered from freeze ups, lag, glitch in gameplay, loss connections and the list goes on. now you might argue or someone else may point out, "hey its not LIVE or microsofts fault, its EA," and i'd would actually AGREE. they do suck for the most part, but as much as you praise LIVE it does little to NOTHING for some games. The ONE thing i do like is the INGAME Dashboard ability, but that too is said to come to the ps3. yes we'll have ingame XMB support sometime in 2008.

Home i don't believe is going to cause as many problems as you initially think. its more of a social common place i believe, thus i don't think lag issues will plague gamers while playing say, Warhawk. i'tll be free so stop stirring up the supporters ;)

Originally posted by AntSpliff:

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unless you own all three systems I don't believe you can make a fair comparison

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thats quite the demand there and i don't agree. thats like saying in order to be a college football analysis, one would have to have played college ball before they can make comments or criticisms. often not the case.

Originally posted by antSpliff:

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Don't be fooled by this. 360 has always been advertised as a gaming console with some cool extras. More bang for your buck with the system and the live service.

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how in the hell are you getting "more for your buck" when you have TO PAY FOR LIVE! your not getting more, if anything YOUR GETTING WHAT YOU PAID FOR! especially when YOU, YOURSELF consider ps3's online structure which you find inferior, yet its still free. so wouldn't it make sense that with a $50 price tag your getting MORE?

Originally posted by antSliff:

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BTW, did I read Ratchet and Clank in your posts? That's in demand, I'm sure my 7 yo cousin would love it, thanks for the recommendation.

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that comment is uncalld for. Gaming for the most part brings out the kid in a lot of people (like myself). i didn't know that just because a game is rated "E," cartoonish, or WhatEver means its meant soley for the youngsters. Have you ever played the game or series? Then i probably wouldn't make such comments...Naturally though i could throw in your face your comment on how you feel "Nintendo DS has much better games," so what now your telling me your a grown individual (college degree or student) and your still playing with a DS? are you kidding? and you have the audacity to insult others? come on now, play nice ;)

Originally posted by antSpliff:

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The next change came which is sell cheap, get your product out there let it sell, gain momentum, and raise the price. Sony is doing this or they will be doing this.

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i stand corrected! that is absolutely absurd and now is the worst theory i've heard. please do yourself a favor and reread some of your ECON books or atleast study the law of supply and demand, demand and price. how are they related? you said SONY IS DOING THIS or WILL BE DOING THIS? which is it? whens the last time you saw the PS2's price INCREASE? How bout the PS3? How about ANY OTHER SONY PRODUCT OUT THERE? the only time Companies can INCREASE PRICE, is when DEMAND is through the ROOF. Nintendo could have SURELY INCREASED ITS PRICE OF THE Wii, and STILL WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT DEMAND LEVELS, but did they? say if demand for ps3s SKYROCKET thus leading way to HUGE increase in Demand for HOME, then at some point SONY may or may not charge a minimum fee to help subsidize the costs. However with such high levels of demand, the fees paid by users would be minimal. trust me you wont have a paid online service like microsoft to play games on the PLAYSTATION 3. HOME is not a GAME, even if it costs money it still wouldn't limit online GAMEPLAY for the other games. stop saying it will.

edit: sorry but i'll think twice before i ever send my kids to TEMPLE or NYU after reading that garbage. i may have been harsh but i don't really know what else you were expecting with some of your comments.

Comment by: pirkster (Jan 10, 2008 04:52)

AntSpliff, you expose your lack of knowledge on the subject with each successive post.

You first and perhaps most glaring mistake is that you seem not to even realize that Sony is a Japanese company, not an American one.

Although they are a Japanese company, their marketing strategy is a global one, where they position their products in the quality end of the spectrum using a skimming pricing method. Meaning, they set a relatively high price when they first introduce a product to gain a greater margin on earlier adopters, then lower that price over time ("skimming the cream" of the market.)

That's the accurate and true description of Sony's methodology. You're really in over your head in this discussion. Judging from your posts, I would wager you've never even sniffed an economics or marketing course (or paid little attention if you did.) Please do yourself a favor and read "The World is Flat" by Friedman and "The Choice" by Roberts. Otherwise you would already know that Sony does not operate in a monopoly, that even monopolies can't charge as much as they wish, and that competition and free trade creates cheaper products of higher quality. And no, Ricardo is not a character from I Love Lucy, but you should already be familiar with his work if you're as educated as you claim to be.

Comment by: borhan9 (Jan 10, 2008 05:10)

This is what Microsoft is saying now all this is because they want to see how far blu-ray is going to take. They put this in as a band aid solution atm so they can see how far as i said the whole thing goes and then if blu-ray wins then they will build another console that has a blu-ray drive and then hey resell the new console for a few hundred $$$ :)

Comment by: JarrodNz (Jan 10, 2008 05:59)

HD-DVD is cheaper BR is better. And M$ will 'NEVER' put a BR on the 360

Comment by: sk8flawzz (Jan 10, 2008 09:32)

Originally posted by JarrodNz:

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HD-DVD is cheaper BR is better. And M$ will 'NEVER' put a BR on the 360

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HD DVD^^
whats BR?
=P

Comment by: ryanjafc (Jan 11, 2008 21:17)

Don't Sony own blu-ray? if so i cant see them letting m$ put it on their xbox, and even if they did xbox would not be able to play games on blu-ray discs only to watch movies, and a blu-ray player is around £300-400 so why not get a ps3 witch plays games and has blu-ray built in for £300, gotta hand it to sony they took a gamble with blu-ray and it paid off!

Ps3 60gb > 200gb > 1.55 > 1.81 > 1.82 > 1.90 > 1.92 > 1.93 > 2.00 > 2.10

Yes i may be drunk!! but tomorrow i will be sober and you will always be ugly!!!
honest officer the cat was on fire when i found it!
A friend will be bail you out of jail! a true friend will be sitting next to and say '' damn that was fun''
If your not living on the edge then your taking up to much space!!!

Comment by: glasssd (Jan 11, 2008 21:44)

^^Panasonic and Sony. Joint Venture. Almost everyone seams to only bring up Sony. They might be uninformed or just cant spell Panasonic.
Sony is putting out a $200 PC Drive. The 360 add on is about the same thing. I think it is doable.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 11, 2008 22:39)

Originally posted by ryanjafc:

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Don't Sony own blu-ray? if so i cant see them letting m$ put it on their xbox, and even if they did xbox would not be able to play games on blu-ray discs only to watch movies, and a blu-ray player is around £300-400 so why not get a ps3 witch plays games and has blu-ray built in for £300, gotta hand it to sony they took a gamble with blu-ray and it paid off!

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Own no, part of the group that owns it yes.

MS could care less about HDVD, but sony needs BR to survive.

Comment by: ryanjafc (Jan 12, 2008 01:34)

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Own no, part of the group that owns it yes.

MS could care less about HDVD, but sony needs BR to survive.

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well if ms want to get it as an add-on so do they need it to survive coz hd dvd was always going to fail against br as br holds more.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Jan 12, 2008 01:40)

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Own no, part of the group that owns it yes.

MS could care less about HDVD, but sony needs BR to survive.

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well if ms want to get it as an add-on so do they need it to survive coz hd dvd was always going to fail against br as br holds more.

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Not with 2 lil facts BR can't get pasted 3 layer issues so they can not make discs bigger than 50GB and HDVD has a 51GB 3 layer disc thus size is no longer a issue.

Comment by: vinny13 (Jan 12, 2008 04:35)

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Own no, part of the group that owns it yes.

MS could care less about HDVD, but sony needs BR to survive.

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well if ms want to get it as an add-on so do they need it to survive coz hd dvd was always going to fail against br as br holds more.

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Not with 2 lil facts BR can't get pasted 3 layer issues so they can not make discs bigger than 50GB and HDVD has a 51GB 3 layer disc thus size is no longer a issue.

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Not at the moment, no. But obviously in the future they will. If it's necessary of course.

Comment by: Lop81 (Apr 07, 2008 22:04)

i think they should with all the competition with ps3 and xbox 360.

Comment by: Lop81 (Apr 07, 2008 22:05)

i think they should with all the competition with ps3 and xbox 360.