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Comment by: NexGen76 (Oct 14, 2007 12:23)

Originally posted by Vicious88:

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Firstly, I don't think Nintendo will be under any pressure to lower prices untill the competition can come within $100 of Nintendo's price.

I would like to point out to some people who have claimed that the Wii is, in fact, not a next-gen console. Some people beleive that the Powerglove has anything at all to do with the WiiMote, and this is simply not true. The WiiMote is a masterfully crafted little device which uses silicon micro-wafers and bluetooth technology to determine its 6-Axis Position, communicate, and store save data. The PowerGlove ran electricly charged magnets and relay sensors in the form of long bars that attached to your TV that attempted to detect the movement of the magnets (While as the sensors that come with the NES are, to be factual, not required unless you want to be a good distance from the Wii - they simply extend the range of the BlueTooth). Atop that, the Powerglove was fragile, and corded to the NES. Secondly, we must not over look the nex-gen features like built-in WiFi, standard emulation capabilities, reverse compatability with the last generation games, and above all else is the contoling sytle itself - This is why there are hacks to use a WiiMote on a Home Computer. Before long, I plan to release a WiiEmulator that will function fully like the wii does, except for maybe being able to play gamecube games, and that's just cause of scripting errors on my part.

Now I mentioned something earlier that may have confused some of our teenage reader: 6-Axis Positioning. What this means is that the Wii not only detects the up and down, side to side, and back and forth motion of the WiiMote, but it also detects pitch, rotation, and yaw (these are avation terms which refer to different tilts the WiiMote is capable of). You should try it: Get a Wiimote and point it anywhere on screen you like, then rotate it in your hand using your wrist - for the first time ever, the cursor will rotate. This may seem simple enough but the technology, namely the extremely sensetive Silicon Micro-Wafers, is brand new and by far one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. The WiiMote is hands down the first device of its kind, and hopefully not the last.

Technology wise, the PS3 and 360 are nothing new, just new parts. Yes you've got better graphics, blue tooth, and nice processors, yay for you. But rather than just buying state of the art parts and finding a way to throw them into an extremely large and heavy console, Nintendo designed the Wii virtually from scratch. I can give my computer the same graphics of a PS3 running 1080p with the purchase of an GeForce 8800, overclocked by BFG-Tech - and I could have got the blueray player any time I wanted to online. But if I wanted to emulate a Wii on my computer, there is no two ways about it, I have to buy a WiiMote and a BlueTooth Adaptar. Hands Down.

I urge any of you who think that the WiiMote and the PowerGlove are ANYTHING alike, to go try them out side by side. Then, if you can comprehend or appreciate new technology, take a look at the inner workings of both and look at how primitive the powerglove is, and how advanced the WiiMote is. Nintendo has always been years ahead of their time, and I'm sure that when they dreamed up the powerglove, they were looking for something similar to the WiiMote, but lets face it - the technology is cutting edge and brand new. Plus, the Powerglove was just one of many things the NES had that was ahead of its time and has since then been remade. Lets not forget the Track mat (now in DDR), the Zapper (Now used in every arcade, everywhere), the first joystick to sport a rapid fire option (now a standard on aftermarket controllers such as those by Pellican and MadCat). Nintendo has always dreamed big since day one, but for anyone to thing that they are re-using technology is incorrect, and you should perhapes take a better look at the things your comparing.

Additionally: Nintendo, as far as I can tell by tracking down the companant and calculating for production and distribution, is spending about $187 per console with WiiMote. These are ALL NEW PARTS and NEW TECHNOLOGY (Read Above), and being thus, are not cheap. You also have to think that Nintendo sells the consoles to gamestores and carriers for probably around $225, and the store than makes about $25 profit off of each one. So as far as I can calculate (and I run a computer business which does custom builds all the time, so I'm trying to be as acurate in this calculation as I can) Nintendo is only making anywhere from $40 to $60 profit at this time. Now when the price of production drops, the profit margin will rise, and if pressure is put on them from consumers or competition to then drop their prices they will.

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You haven't proved one point to why the Wii is Nex-Gen.I look at it this way its like going to buy a new car & the sales man trying to sale you a car with a new body but the same engine under hood as your last car.I'm not a Wii basher but i don't think it has the right to be called a Nex-Gen console.Plus it appeals more to Kids Mario,Zelda,& Metroid,how many game are rehashes on that system at lease Microsoft found there own IP in Halo i don't care for it but it define there console.But when you think Nintendo you think 15 different rehashed Mario games & not one new IP & some ports.

Comment by: Vicious88 (Oct 14, 2007 12:38)

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I look at it this way its like going to buy a new car & the sales man trying to sale you a car with a new body but the same engine under hood as your last car.

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This proves to me you did not read my post in its entirety before responding. I am saying that its a completely new 'engine.' Everything on the inside is different. I go bit by bit and explain why it is next-gen. Please read something in its entirety before responding.

Additionally, there have been several original releases for Wii, and they are in no way shape or form anymore of a Rehash than Halo3. To say that the Zelda game for Wii is a Rehash is the same as saying any sequel, even those with differing plots, are re-hashes. People who understand circuitry and software programming can appreciate the Wii because of its technology. I own a Wii, a 360, and a PS3, but amazingly, the Wii earns more of my respect.

Comment by: NexGen76 (Oct 14, 2007 14:10)

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I look at it this way its like going to buy a new car & the sales man trying to sale you a car with a new body but the same engine under hood as your last car.

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This proves to me you did not read my post in its entirety before responding. I am saying that its a completely new 'engine.' Everything on the inside is different. I go bit by bit and explain why it is next-gen. Please read something in its entirety before responding.

Additionally, there have been several original releases for Wii, and they are in no way shape or form anymore of a Rehash than Halo3. To say that the Zelda game for Wii is a Rehash is the same as saying any sequel, even those with differing plots, are re-hashes. People who understand circuitry and software programming can appreciate the Wii because of its technology. I own a Wii, a 360, and a PS3, but amazingly, the Wii earns more of my respect.

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Dude i read you post your talking about the Hardware of Motion sensing thats old tech were have you been the last 20 years.Far as whats under the hood old tech.If you amazed at the controller with tech thats been around for years & not focus or Hardware & software then you are truly miss it.Whatever floats your boat !

Comment by: SProdigy (Oct 14, 2007 15:50)

Wow,all of you are rambling. Either you bought a Wii and were disappointed, or are upset because you got ripped buying a PS3 and can't afford any other console.

Every post about BWC, and people b!tch about 360 and PS3, but no high fives for the Wii, which can play every GC game and even use the controller and memory cards.

You can whine and cry about Mario games, but have you played any of them? Or at least look at their composite rating? There are very few (if any) "turds" that Nintendo stamps their number one property on. Hell, some of them become larger than life franchises on their own (Mario Kart, Smash Bros., etc.)

What IP does Sony have? Crash Bandicoot? Ratchet and Clank? Where are they on PS3? Everything else is multi-console and not "Sony exclusive" anymore. Even when it was, GTA, Metal Gear, etc. is not Sony's IP. GT5 is also a no-show in the "next gen" of gaming.

MS is an IP pirate! Don't get me wrong, I love the library they have, but all of their games were stolen from the PC, including the original Halo, which was supposed to be a PC game. Even MS is spinning Halo off into other projects, like an RTS now.

So quit the fanboy hate on the systems and say something intelligent, other than the Wii being a GC with a Powerglove.

Comment by: LiveChaos (Oct 14, 2007 16:12)

I love going to forums. Any forum. Such good, friendly people there conversing intelligently and respecting each other's opinions.

Oh wait, my bad. Any visit to this or other forums is just a lesson in how bad people treat each other when they don't have to look someone in the freaking eyes. C'mon people! Talk about what you like and dislike without looking for a reason to bash each other. Leave that to religious and political institutions!!!

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The Nintendo Wii has plenty going for it. It's a great value (for $250!!!) for the innovative controller and the franchise games Nintendo is famous for like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Don't get me wrong. The other consoles have their places in the market based on many factors. But for the price, you can't beat the Wii.

No console will satisfy all us gamers! We all have individual tastes!

Comment by: Riotard (Oct 14, 2007 17:12)

When i read stuff liek this, it makes me want to shoot myself repeatedly in the head with a gun.

The amount of sony fb as a joke, afterdawn do soemthign about this, this thread has gotten rediculus, its a all out sony fb rant here.

Once again i say i am loving my 360, only 13 days without it and it was repaired and abck to me. Goign to get a wii, brillaint fun for parties or when you have friends round (my mate has one), and i'll keep my 360 for playing on my own.

My brother has a ps3, heck hardly ever plays it, online is a mass of lag spikes (i've seen it we are using 2mb/s connection and xbl works perfect). Games cost more, and he's noramly playing halo 3 with me onlien anyway.

Just liek to put taht in. If anything i think the ps3 isn't next-gen, i personally think its a step back in gaming, it costs more and has a lovely selection of ported games which cost £10 more then their original on 360 and look only 1/2 as good. The wii, is definatly next gen, its NEW, its full backward compatible, its AFFORDABE! ITS FUN! YES I SAID FUN! DO PS3 OWNERS NO WHAT FUN IS? The wii is definatly the next step in gaming. The 360 is a setup up from 6th generation gamming, with better graphics, better online community and gameplay, and a better libary full of amazing games designed for the system (ps3 owners, most of ur games are poor ports, as designers find codign for the ps3 a bugger as its architecture is shockingly bad!

Anyway yeh, i love how before everyone bashed sony, now that wii is sold the most, its all bash wii time, from the sony group, liek they think they have a valid reason to bash the consol now.

Comment by: Vicious88 (Oct 14, 2007 17:25)

Its not Old Technology!!! Gah! The Powerglove ran on magnetics - the WiiMote uses Silicon Micro-Wafers (spaced .001 millimeters apart) which were developed in march of 2006! Its not "20 years old" or anyhing like the powerglove!!! I am truely sorry for anyone who thinks that just because a powerglove and a wiimote both sense motion, that they are anything alike, because when you get down to it, they're completely different!

The stuff under the hood is new technology, developed exclusively for Giroscopic Stabilisation in things like the next generation of segway scooters, but ended up in the Nintendo Wii. The PowerGlove Ran on MAGNETS! It only sensed 2 directions Side-to-side (x) and up-and-down (z), it was as advanced as a Directional pad! The WiiMote is more advanced then the hardware currently used in the F-15 E Model to determine its six axis position (x,y,x,pitch,roll, and yaw).
If you're confused, here's a picture: http://www.osculator.net/wiki/uploads/Main/pry-wiimote.gif

What you guys are failing to see is whats 'under the hood' you see something that detects motion and you say, "Oh, powerglove is back" and you don't bother to look into any more. THIS IS NOT OLD TECHNOLOGY - IF IT WAS, IT'D HAVE BEEN OUT A LOT MORE!!!

You may say that just because crude forms of motion sensing technology has been around for a while, that the Wii is not next-gen, but consider this: 3D graphics and cell/shadow rendering have been around for a long time too, at least Nintendo is bringing you NEW Technology, not just graphics. And FYI, the Wii is capable of rendering graphics that fall nicely between the PS2 and PS3's capability, you'll see it in certain Wii games. "Why isn't every Wii Game High Res then?" Because, unfortunately each disk can only hold so much data, and with the Wii, the focus is on gamming experience, not visual experience, so when the producer has to choose where to throw his budget: Graphics or Programming - they choose programming.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 14, 2007 21:10)

You know why the WII is next gen and the 360 is as next gen as my foot? Its called control, Nintendo took the high road and tried to reinvent itself and it has managed to hand both MS and Sony their ass its called keeping it simple, now the WII is not prefect but compared to the rest its full of win , if you think the WII dosent have enough options or it dose not look good enough stop thinking and try and learn to enjoy a game again.

Now with that said the PS3 is the next system to offer this lil thing called control however if they do not offer more options with KB and mouse and leave it to random devs making it a option to play game with then they too fail to understand where the fck they are.

MS also needs to offer more control options but they are to busy tryign to fix the 360 so I doubt it will evolve any in that field, the KB/M adapter is cute but needs more polish and options to be a real alternative.

Wake up and udnerstand the high farting fancy consoles are not offering more depth in much of anything than the WII or the 6th gen, they are only offering prettier graphics onto petty designs, 10 hour Halo 3 SP champaign and lack of depth in Bioshock a game based on depth is a good sign of the shallowness of it all.

Comment by: Vicious88 (Oct 14, 2007 21:16)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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You know why the WII is next gen and the 360 is as next gen as my foot? Its called control, Nintendo took the high road and tried to reinvent itself and it has managed to hand both MS and Sony their ass its called keeping it simple, now the WII is not prefect but compared to the rest its full of win , if you think the WII dosent have enough options or it dose not look good enough stop thinking and try and learn to enjoy a game again.

Now with that said the PS3 is the next system to offer this lil thing called control however if they do not offer more options with KB and mouse and leave it to random devs making it a option to play game with then they too fail to understand where the fck they are.

MS also needs to offer more control options but they are to busy tryign to fix the 360 so I doubt it will evolve any in that field, the KB/M adapter is cute but needs more polish and options to be a real alternative.

Wake up and udnerstand the high farting fancy consoles are not offering more depth in much of anything than the WII or the 6th gen, they are only offering prettier graphics onto petty designs, 10 hour Halo 3 SP champaign and lack of depth in Bioshock a game based on depth is a good sign of the shallowness of it all.

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Thank You!!! I agree completely! Kudos to you!

Comment by: saltynuts (Oct 14, 2007 21:30)

Originally posted by Vicious88:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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You know why the WII is next gen and the 360 is as next gen as my foot? Its called control, Nintendo took the high road and tried to reinvent itself and it has managed to hand both MS and Sony their ass its called keeping it simple, now the WII is not prefect but compared to the rest its full of win , if you think the WII dosent have enough options or it dose not look good enough stop thinking and try and learn to enjoy a game again.

Now with that said the PS3 is the next system to offer this lil thing called control however if they do not offer more options with KB and mouse and leave it to random devs making it a option to play game with then they too fail to understand where the fck they are.

MS also needs to offer more control options but they are to busy tryign to fix the 360 so I doubt it will evolve any in that field, the KB/M adapter is cute but needs more polish and options to be a real alternative.

Wake up and udnerstand the high farting fancy consoles are not offering more depth in much of anything than the WII or the 6th gen, they are only offering prettier graphics onto petty designs, 10 hour Halo 3 SP champaign and lack of depth in Bioshock a game based on depth is a good sign of the shallowness of it all.

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Hey zipp i can agree with what you are saying its just that i would like to see even more control,like the ability to use a regular controller on any game as i dont like the wiimote myself but my kids and wife love it.thats pretty much the beef i have with wii.yes the grafix are dated but that not what the BIG N was going for this time around.and i think most people here are not bashing the wii but feel like its not nex-gen.and i can agree with that also.still tho the wii is selling like hotcakes.so i guess i agree to diagree.











Thank You!!! I agree completely! Kudos to you!

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Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 14, 2007 23:05)

salty
if the 360 can be 'next gen' the wii with its new control system can be, no one is dissing it for being a 1.5 system,its barely 'next gen' as much as the wii is if you take the control upgrade into perspective, the PS3 has all the trappings of "next gen" with the new format Hdef basics and such, the wii offers more left/right handed options even if its dumbed down to swapping halves.

However it could use more fine tuning options, the industry it self dismisses 'options' as something bad for shepple, I miss the psx/64 days when mos games had options, it seems now adays ' options' are a bad word and something the shrinking 3rd party peripheral market to fill, the wii would gian the most from full button remapping on all its control peripherals, the vc+gc re mapped to pad or mote, give the consumers tier options back with these overpriced peripherals, what racket are they all playing us now.

As far as a "next gen" perspective goes for the 360 is barely there since its just a sup'd up Xbox, the WII is doing new things however their innovation is starting to become stagnant due to ignoring user options this of coarse is more a problem at the core industry itself, none of them gives a damn, SONY is smoking "columbine gold", MS is slowly fixing the issues with the already aging 360 but refuses to unlock the HDD and then we have the WII whos innovation is surpassed by their laziness/greed(why not let people who buy the official pads use them on any game?), all in all they all equally suck, well sony sucks the most still....WTF lets remove BWC from the 40GB units and save hundreds in server costs...WTF........least MS knows to paint a rusting ship.....sony is throwing more salt water on it...

Comment by: saltynuts (Oct 14, 2007 23:50)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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salty
if the 360 can be 'next gen' the wii with its new control system can be, no one is dissing it for being a 1.5 system,its barely 'next gen' as much as the wii is if you take the control upgrade into perspective, the PS3 has all the trappings of "next gen" with the new format Hdef basics and such, the wii offers more left/right handed options even if its dumbed down to swapping halves.

However it could use more fine tuning options, the industry it self dismisses 'options' as something bad for shepple, I miss the psx/64 days when mos games had options, it seems now adays ' options' are a bad word and something the shrinking 3rd party peripheral market to fill, the wii would gian the most from full button remapping on all its control peripherals, the vc+gc re mapped to pad or mote, give the consumers tier options back with these overpriced peripherals, what racket are they all playing us now.

As far as a "next gen" perspective goes for the 360 is barely there since its just a sup'd up Xbox, the WII is doing new things however their innovation is starting to become stagnant due to ignoring user options this of coarse is more a problem at the core industry itself, none of them gives a damn, SONY is smoking "columbine gold", MS is slowly fixing the issues with the already aging 360 but refuses to unlock the HDD and then we have the WII whos innovation is surpassed by their laziness/greed(why not let people who buy the official pads use them on any game?), all in all they all equally suck, well sony sucks the most still....WTF lets remove BWC from the 40GB units and save hundreds in server costs...WTF........least MS knows to paint a rusting ship.....sony is throwing more salt water on it...

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HA HA good one zipp i see your point but don't let the sony fanboys hear you say that.

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 15, 2007 00:03)

saltynuts

the 360 is getting as good as it can get, if someone can get a larger HDD to work on the normal MS kit that would make it near prefect, I'll worry abotu it eating discs but at least the heating issues have been dealt with for the most part, really MS needs to drop the core ,and let people put their own HDD's into a 20-30$ MS HDD shell and be done with it, MS is as unforced as nintendo is when it comes to over all polish on the system, I just once want what sony is smoking just to know how it feels like to be a complete douche to the point gravity bends and flows around a ego so full of its own BS its ready to explode, I can slight MS over "gravity" issues but at least they have for the most part have scrambled to save face, sony is digging their own grave while at the same time filling it with their own poo.

All I want sony to do is stop fcking with BWC and make the main difference in the 400 and 600 unit usb/card reader and HDD size, this monotonous BS is sad as it is sick.

Hell they would save so much time and trouble offering the 80GB for 450$ there done one unit one price, there I saved them milloins1

Comment by: SProdigy (Oct 15, 2007 00:37)

Wow, Zippy, I was waiting for your arrival! ;-)

Someone said it best about the graphics. If you own a Wii and play alot of games, you know what I mean. I've played it on an SDTV and HDTV. On the SDTV sets, you don't notice any difference in visuals between the consoles, however, on the HD sets, well, there's quite a difference, even with component cables on the Wii, it doesn't stack up to 720p component output on the 360.

However, alot of games are rendered nicely (Zelda, Metroid) and others look like GC ports (Madden) however, it's all relative, because short of being a bit sharper on a widescreen display, Halo 3 looks exactly like the last one IMHO with a few added visuals and bigger boss fights.

And you're absolutely right: spending your money on Wii games is much more worth it. You're going to get at least several weeks out of games like Zelda and Metroid instead of a solid day like Halo 3 (or Bioshock, the game where you never die.) Hell, I even claimed near every item in Crackdown within a week or so, and I'd say outside of it, most of the 360 games are seriously lacking depth these days.

Consider the depth of a title like PGR, I love the game, but it's the same tracks and maybe some bonus cars. It's a modern day Mortal Kombat of racing - repaint a medal, offer hidden/bonus ninjas... err... cars... and crank up the cheating!!! (I mean AI!)

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 15, 2007 00:55)

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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Wow, Zippy, I was waiting for your arrival! ;-)

Someone said it best about the graphics. If you own a Wii and play alot of games, you know what I mean. I've played it on an SDTV and HDTV. On the SDTV sets, you don't notice any difference in visuals between the consoles, however, on the HD sets, well, there's quite a difference, even with component cables on the Wii, it doesn't stack up to 720p component output on the 360.

However, alot of games are rendered nicely (Zelda, Metroid) and others look like GC ports (Madden) however, it's all relative, because short of being a bit sharper on a widescreen display, Halo 3 looks exactly like the last one IMHO with a few added visuals and bigger boss fights.

And you're absolutely right: spending your money on Wii games is much more worth it. You're going to get at least several weeks out of games like Zelda and Metroid instead of a solid day like Halo 3 (or Bioshock, the game where you never die.) Hell, I even claimed near every item in Crackdown within a week or so, and I'd say outside of it, most of the 360 games are seriously lacking depth these days.

Consider the depth of a title like PGR, I love the game, but it's the same tracks and maybe some bonus cars. It's a modern day Mortal Kombat of racing - repaint a medal, offer hidden/bonus ninjas... err... cars... and crank up the cheating!!! (I mean AI!)

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For me the 7th gen is foreshadowed by a lack of depth, they all are suffering from it however nin is providing more bang for the buck, Halo 3 and Bioshock are seriously sad sht all things considered Halo 3 gets a 10hour SP side and Bioshock is as deep as the far end of a kiddy pool, it seems publishers are happy shoveling unfinished projects on people for the twice the value of what it really should be worth.

if the 5th generation brought visuals and game play together the 7th brings the bling but nothing much more, its hard for me to see how people are so satisfied swiming in the 'c'iddie pool and I do not mean age level put over all depth/fun.

AM I the only one to think spending 400+ on mediocreness is a bit much?

Comment by: oofRome (Oct 15, 2007 01:31)

I can't do anything but laugh when I read "nex-gen", "new-tech", and "old-tech".

Comment by: ZippyDSM (Oct 15, 2007 02:04)

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I can't do anything but laugh when I read "nex-gen", "new-tech", and "old-tech".

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pretty much what gaming has come down to since they can't compare the games *rolls eyes*.

Comment by: SProdigy (Oct 15, 2007 12:25)

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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AM I the only one to think spending 400+ on mediocreness is a bit much?

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No, you're not crazy. Just thank God I "try 'em before I buy 'em" or else I would be out more than what I paid for the console.

Comment by: svtstang (Oct 15, 2007 20:14)

Originally posted by LiveChaos:

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I love going to forums. Any forum. Such good, friendly people there conversing intelligently and respecting each other's opinions.

Oh wait, my bad. Any visit to this or other forums is just a lesson in how bad people treat each other when they don't have to look someone in the freaking eyes. C'mon people! Talk about what you like and dislike without looking for a reason to bash each other. Leave that to religious and political institutions!!!

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The Nintendo Wii has plenty going for it. It's a great value (for $250!!!) for the innovative controller and the franchise games Nintendo is famous for like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Don't get me wrong. The other consoles have their places in the market based on many factors. But for the price, you can't beat the Wii.

No console will satisfy all us gamers! We all have individual tastes!

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One of the few respectable posts in this entire thread!

Comment by: oofRome (Oct 15, 2007 21:09)

Yeah because mine are always conveniently ignored.
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Comment by: NexGen76 (Oct 15, 2007 23:25)

Originally posted by riotard:

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The amount of sony fb as a joke, afterdawn do soemthign about this, this thread has gotten rediculus, its a all out sony fb rant here.

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You should be the last one to say a mod need to step in.All the childish rants & raves you have done on Sony treads please just give it a break.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me whats next gen about the Wii ?

Comment by: oofRome (Oct 16, 2007 00:12)

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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I'm still waiting on someone to tell me whats next gen about the Wii ?

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You mean besides Vicious88's remark that the motion sensing system in the Wii-mote was developed much later than the one in the powerglove?

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Mr Takeda also mentioned this, but normally when you decide to use new semiconductor technology, you do so solely for the sake of more extravagance and higher performance. In the case of the CPU, you try to progressively improve its processing power, which in turn raises its power consumption and increases its size. Sophisticated semiconductor technology is required to realise this goal. While you could use such cutting-edge semiconductor technology in order to facilitate this kind of extravagance, you can choose to apply this technology in other ways, such as making chips smaller. We have utilised the technology in this way so that we could minimise the power consumption of Wii. If the chip becomes smaller, we can make the size of the console smaller. With a smaller chip and minimised power consumption, Wii can be left on 24 hours a day. This is what I meant when I said that the way Wii makes use of state-of-the-art technologies is completely different from the way in which they are used in other devices.

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http://wii.nintendo.com/iwataasks.jsp

Will that suffice? Or are you really just getting to the point that the Wii cannot compete very well graphically with the 360 and the ps3?

Comment by: NexGen76 (Oct 16, 2007 00:46)

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Originally posted by NexGen76:

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I'm still waiting on someone to tell me whats next gen about the Wii ?

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You mean besides Vicious88's remark that the motion sensing system in the Wii-mote was developed much later than the one in the powerglove?

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Mr Takeda also mentioned this, but normally when you decide to use new semiconductor technology, you do so solely for the sake of more extravagance and higher performance. In the case of the CPU, you try to progressively improve its processing power, which in turn raises its power consumption and increases its size. Sophisticated semiconductor technology is required to realise this goal. While you could use such cutting-edge semiconductor technology in order to facilitate this kind of extravagance, you can choose to apply this technology in other ways, such as making chips smaller. We have utilised the technology in this way so that we could minimise the power consumption of Wii. If the chip becomes smaller, we can make the size of the console smaller. With a smaller chip and minimised power consumption, Wii can be left on 24 hours a day. This is what I meant when I said that the way Wii makes use of state-of-the-art technologies is completely different from the way in which they are used in other devices.

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http://wii.nintendo.com/iwataasks.jsp

Will that suffice? Or are you really just getting to the point that the Wii cannot compete very well graphically with the 360 and the ps3?

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What i'm trying to say is Yes this is New tech compared to the Power Glove but the same concept Nintendo tried years ago.There isn't anything Nex-gen about the Wii remote or Wii Board just rehashes of what they tried years ago.People make is seen like they just create this great idea when in fact they just trying the same thing from the past.Thxs for the reply but im not sold on the Wii like others because i have a very deep game system back ground.

Comment by: oofRome (Oct 16, 2007 03:40)

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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What i'm trying to say is Yes this is New tech compared to the Power Glove but the same concept Nintendo tried years ago.There isn't anything Nex-gen about the Wii remote or Wii Board just rehashes of what they tried years ago.People make is seen like they just create this great idea when in fact they just trying the same thing from the past.Thxs for the reply but im not sold on the Wii like others because i have a very deep game system back ground.

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Well you have been given solid facts that the Wii is using new technology, both in the Wii-mote and in the CPU. (that article linked was in relation to broadway and hollywood, not the "board". I'm not talking about wii fit, if that's what you mistook it as.)

Since you are moving on to "nex-gen" = "new concepts", I would love to hear what makes you think the ps3 and/or 360 qualify as "nex-gen" when the Wii doesn't.
Honestly, you're getting to the point where you might as well say there hasn't been a "tru-nex-gen" console since the atari VCS/2600, as every subsequent console has the same concept of playing video games. There is nothing new about faster processors. There is nothing new about bigger storage. Online play was already developed last gen. An "entertainment hub" was spouted both with the xbox, ps2, and ps1.

Which consoles do you consider "nex-gen", and where in your deep gaming background do you come up with support of said assertion?

And thank you for your reply too! :-)
I don't want these posts to come across as hostile. The whole "nex-gen" thing is something I don't quite understand, even from a fanboy perspective.

Comment by: Vicious88 (Oct 16, 2007 15:01)

Wow its nice to see other people defending the Wii for once, lol.

Okay, I've read that someone can't acknowledge the Wii due to their deep gamming background. Lets take a look at the stuff I have hooked up to my TV right now: PS2, Wii, SNES, NES, Genesis, X-Box, PS3, 360, and a dreamcast. Switch to the other room and I've got a gamecube, an N64, and a nice little Intellevision Set-up. Stuff in the closet? More consoles than I'd care to name, but its got things like the PS1, the SegaCD, a wide series of portables (gb, gba, gb-color, game gear, ect).

Short story: I'm no stranger to gamming history, but lets face it. The NES gave birth to most everything you see today - the first FirstPersonShooter, the first dance/track mat, the first console gun, ect... Graphic Upgrades are expected out of every single console, at least this go around, Nintendo broke Trend.